Anyone ever tried Peyote or Mescaline?

[jh1]

at the time, i thought it WAS reality.

That defines 'Delusion'.

 

[stilleto]

That defines 'Delusion'.

yes, well NOW, sure.

 

[jh1]

yes, well NOW, sure.

 

[Lestat]

LOL... so Stilleto's experience of thinking she could fly and that Tom Petty was singing to her were 'reality' - just simply her own reality and how she experienced it?

Nigga please. It was a delusion brought on by the drugs.

because someone "thinks" they can fly, doesn't mean they physically can.

But the reality is, for whatever reason, she felt like she could fly.

Many people believe very specific things about life, about their reality, that are undeniably false. This happens on and off of drugs. You don't have to be on drugs to believe something is true when it is not.

 

[stilleto]

(you can't argue with someone having a drug flashback).

Mescalin was the strongest drug i think i ever did.
the only hallucinate at least.

 

[jh1]

because someone "thinks" they can fly, doesn't mean they physically can.

But the reality is, for whatever reason, she felt like she could fly.

Many people believe very specific things about life, about their reality, that are undeniably false. This happens on and off of drugs. You don't have to be on drugs to believe something is true when it is not.

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No doubt that drugs are not the only source of delusion or the main source of them for that matter. But what Stilleto experienced were delusions - plain and simple.

Dance all you want on that one. Have your own delusion why don't ya.

Trying to make a drug induced delusion sound all fairy tale by refering to it as a higher state of conciousness or one's 'personal reality' is a bunch of hippy nonsense.

No doubt alot of creativity and such is acheived with different drugs, but delusions are delusions no matter their source. Not altered states of reality.

 

[Lestat]

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No doubt that drugs are not the only source of delusion or the main source of them for that matter. But what Stilleto experienced were delusions - plain and simple.

Dance all you want on that one. Have your own delusion why don't ya.

Trying to make a drug induced delusion sound all fairy tale by refering to it as a higher state of conciousness or one's 'personal reality' is a bunch of hippy nonsense.

No doubt alot of creativity and such is acheived with different drugs, but delusions are delusions no matter their source. Not altered states of reality.

I agree. But would you agree that some people's delusions allow them to learn and grow? For example, various religious beliefs. I am anti religion in general, but I don't discount at all the effects that believing in the unbelievable will do, many times for the positive, often times for the negative.

If you are one that is prone to the negative side of things, drugs or no drugs, you aren't going to get much good out of life in general, but if you are prone to more positive qualities, then why not try to experience life from as many unique perspectives as possible.

Again, stilleto merely "thought" she could fly, doesn't make it true, doesn't really mean anything except that her brain was making her feel a certain way. I had VERY vivid flying dreams as a child, I wasn't on any drugs, but in these dreams I really thought I was flying, although I'd never experienced it physically before (and never will) my brain was convinced that I was.

 

[Bikini Mod]

I don't understand what you mean by "out of touch with reality" you seem to think that whatever state of mind you are in NOW is the REAL one that is NORMAL, i disagree, you are experiencing reality when you do drugs, the drugs change HOW you experience it, but that doesn't make it any more or less real does it? You and I experience life differently, maybe only subtley, but still our experiences are equally as valid and real.

LOL You are funny.

Take the scenario that Stilletto described. She REALLY thought she could fly. Imagine she REALLY stepped out of the window. Would the REALITY of her becoming roadkill on the concrete below be any LESS REAL because she was tripping? Or would she be able to percieve herself ALIVE and UNINJURED because of the DRUG-INDUCED PERCEPTION OF REALITY?

Get back to me on that one.

 

[samoth]

I'm sure Layinback will be all over this thread like BB on a time-traveling-with-aliens-whilst-on-dxm thread.

 

[Lestat]

LOL You are funny.

Take the scenario that Stilletto described. She REALLY thought she could fly. Imagine she REALLY stepped out of the window. Would the REALITY of her becoming roadkill on the concrete below be any LESS REAL because she was tripping? Or would she be able to percieve herself ALIVE and UNINJURED because of the DRUG-INDUCED PERCEPTION OF REALITY?

Get back to me on that one.

sounds like the propaganda in the 1960's that people on LDS thought they were a bananna and "pealed" themselves.

I'd argue that more people jump out of buildings while NOT on drugs than while on.