anyone do PRE-CYCLE TREATMENT??

[Dogfox]

Exactly what I do but I run N2Guard with it

I looked over the N2G but was not impressed with the ingredients, it has alot of stuff but none of it is in plentyful amounts. I mean none of it is even close to what amounts id want to be taking.
Total amount of ingredients in N2G are probably equal to the amount of hawthorne i take on cycle.

I find the best way is to just construct my own cycle support. Probably the most costly (about 70 more than N2G over 3 months) if its done well but nothing can beat it.

 

[Nelson Montana]

I looked over the N2G but was not impressed with the ingredients, it has alot of stuff but none of it is in plentyful amounts. I mean none of it is even close to what amounts id want to be taking.
Total amount of ingredients in N2G are probably equal to the amount of hawthorne i take on cycle.

I find the best way is to just construct my own cycle support. Probably the most costly (about 70 more than N2G over 3 months) if its done well but nothing can beat it.

??? Why not just take more N2GUARD? It's more than just hawthorn!

 

[Dogfox]

??? Why not just take more N2GUARD? It's more than just hawthorn!

I did look into that possibility as constructing my own was expensive, however heres what i got:

1000mg nettle extract (urtica dioica)
150mg celery seed (85% 3nb)
700mg Saw palmetto
200 mg COQ10
1000mg NAC
350mg Garlic (3200mcg allicin)
3300mg hawthorn berry
2400mg red yeast rice
200mg grape seed (95%)
800mg ALA
480mg EPA
320mg DHA
650mg Linoleic acid
112mg GLA
614mg Oleic acid
300mg Essentiale forte N
3000mg Vit C
400mg Magnesium
1400mg Cranberry concentrate

Plus a serving of Orange Triad which if not familiar with is a beast of a supplement - very similar to both animal pak and animal flex but in one supplement.

N2G only has less than 350mgs for everything and thats the highest amount of an ingredient on there (aside from prop blend), theres only 10mcg of COQ10 and 75mg of hawthorne. All the others are that low too.
I did look into taking 3-5 servs of it tho, but I didnt want to overdo the NAC and that still didnt give me anywhere close to what i constructed myself and was just as many if not more caps.

 

[skaman007]

i think it looks like people are over using supps as much as some do aas.....is there really any need for 4 different otc pct supps to be used together?or 19 cycle support supps????yes they ,May all be gooD but do you need them all at once .bit like training chest.maybe 8 good exercises to do but you only do 3-4 each workout.....COME ON THEN IM WAITING TO BE SHOT DOWN SUPP REPS,LOL

 

[Nelson Montana]

Coupla things...

First of all, saying that a lot of supps is like doing a lot of different exercises isn't analogous, unless you're talking about different exercises that do different things! And in that case, YES!

Sure, it'd be dumb to take a bunch of stuff that all contained the same thing. But many of the NTBM products like GEAR, BRIDGE, and N2Guard are so unique, they can't be compared to anything else. And look, I'm not asking anybody to just take my word for it. Look at the ingredients and decide for yourself.

As for dogfox's on-cycle stack, it's fine. But no way is it as complete as N2GUARD. There's nothing at all in it for bloat. Some of the dosages are higher, but if that's what you want, why not just take and extra pill or two? A lot of guys add a couple of DX7 for that reason.

There's also a reason why some dosages are on the lower side. Too much hawthorn can make you tired. Too much saw palmetto can lower DHT. Too much CQ10 can kill appitite and become toxic over time. 10-20 mcgs has been found to be optimum for the heart health benefits. So you see...there's a reason we do what we do.

And as for Orange Triad, it's not bad. Yes, it's similar to animal Pak. But once again, I ask you -- read the label. You can't possible say that it's more complete than DX7. It's just not reality.

Again, this isn't meant to convince anyone of anything. All I'm saying is, look at the facts and decide for yourself. Just make sure you understand what you're looking at.

 

[Dogfox]

Coupla things...

First of all, saying that a lot of supps is like doing a lot of different exercises isn't analogous, unless you're talking about different exercises that do different things! And in that case, YES!

Sure, it'd be dumb to take a bunch of stuff that all contained the same thing. But many of the NTBM products like GEAR, BRIDGE, and N2Guard are so unique, they can't be compared to anything else. And look, I'm not asking anybody to just take my word for it. Look at the ingredients and decide for yourself.

As for dogfox's on-cycle stack, it's fine. But no way is it as complete as N2GUARD. There's nothing at all in it for bloat. Some of the dosages are higher, but if that's what you want, why not just take and extra pill or two? A lot of guys add a couple of DX7 for that reason.

There's also a reason why some dosages are on the lower side. Too much hawthorn can make you tired. Too much saw palmetto can lower DHT. Too much CQ10 can kill appitite and become toxic over time. 10-20 mcgs has been found to be optimum for the heart health benefits. So you see...there's a reason we do what we do.

And as for Orange Triad, it's not bad. Yes, it's similar to animal Pak. But once again, I ask you -- read the label. You can't possible say that it's more complete than DX7. It's just not reality.

Again, this isn't meant to convince anyone of anything. All I'm saying is, look at the facts and decide for yourself. Just make sure you understand what you're looking at.

Forgot to mention that 10000mg taurine is also in there, and ill be taking forma for 'bloat'. But thats not really a side I am bothered with.

Then i have to address the COq10 10mcg perpetration. Every study and academic resource out there recommends 30-200mgs and some japanese studies have shown doses higher than that to be effective. 10mcg is close to 0, you get more COQ10 through your diet than through a serving of N2Guard. I mean 3oz chicken has 1.4 mg and the same serving of beef has 2.6mgs. So an extra 10mcg is pretty much nothing, as with most if not all other ingredients on there. I think its pretty dangerous to be advocating the use of such a product to control side effects such as high bp, or liver damage, or kidney damage when in actuality it is going to do nothing of the sort. Its hard for me not to express these opinions as I see guys on here taking all this gear and then supplementing with this.

Secondly, DX7 is not superior to OT or animal pak.

Im fine with you recommending your products or an affiliates products but saying N2Guards ingredients are heftily underdosed bc thats the most effective dose Is just a plain lie, anyone who is about to spend 60 dollars on that should research the ingredients and come to the dawning realization that its ingredients are lackluster. DX7 is by no means as shoddy as N2guard but it is certainly no where close to an animal pak or orange triad, again its not hard to just go on BB.com and compare the labels.

I mean formastanzol, beastdrol, all the other PH products, the whey - they are all good products. Id even go as far to say HCGenerate is too. It did 0 for me but at least the ingredients on it appear to be trying to elicit some form of benefit - ie they are a decent dose.


Now that was much too time consuming

 

[Nelson Montana]

Forgot to mention that 10000mg taurine is also in there, and ill be taking forma for 'bloat'. But thats not really a side I am bothered with.

Then i have to address the COq10 10mcg perpetration. Every study and academic resource out there recommends 30-200mgs and some japanese studies have shown doses higher than that to be effective. 10mcg is close to 0, you get more COQ10 through your diet than through a serving of N2Guard. I mean 3oz chicken has 1.4 mg and the same serving of beef has 2.6mgs. So an extra 10mcg is pretty much nothing, as with most if not all other ingredients on there. I think its pretty dangerous to be advocating the use of such a product to control side effects such as high bp, or liver damage, or kidney damage when in actuality it is going to do nothing of the sort. Its hard for me not to express these opinions as I see guys on here taking all this gear and then supplementing with this.

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BUT IT DOES HELP CONTROL THOSE SIDES. NO ONE IS SAYING YOU CAN DO A TWO GRAMS OF TREN AND YOU'LL BE FINE AS LONG AS YOU USE N2GUARD, BUT IT'S BETTER THAN ANYTHING OUT THERE FOR INSURING OPTIMUM HEALTH WHILE ON CYCLE.

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Secondly, DX7 is not superior to OT or animal pak.

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WHAT ARE YOU BASING THAT ON? SERIOUS, I WANT TO KNOW. ANYTHING? THE INGREDIENTS AND DOSAGES ARE FAR SUPERIOR IN DX7. I'M SENSING YOU JUST WANT TO CONTRARIAN NOW.


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Im fine with you recommending your products or an affiliates products but saying N2Guards ingredients are heftily underdosed bc thats the most effective dose Is just a plain lie,

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CALLING MEMBERS, ESPECIALLY SENIOR MEMBERS AND MODS, "LIARS" IS GETTING PLENTY CLOSE TO ASKING TO BE BANNED. IS THAT WHERE'S THIS IS GOING?


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anyone who is about to spend 60 dollars on that should research the ingredients and come to the dawning realization that its ingredients are lackluster. DX7 is by no means as shoddy as N2guard but it is certainly no where close to an animal pak or orange triad, again its not hard to just go on BB.com and compare the labels.

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PLEASE DO. I DID. YOU KNOW WHAT I SEE?

DX7 HAS HIGHER DOSAGES OF MOST OF THE VITS AND MINS.

AP HAS A TRACE AMOUNT OF A FEW NONSENSE INGREDIENTS LIKE LIVER AND DIGESTIVE ENZYMES.

DX7 HAS MSM. AP DOES NOT.

DX7 HAS BETA GLUCAN. AP DOES NOT.

DX7 HAS TMG . AP DOES NOT.

DX7 HAS MSM. AP DOES NOT.

DX7 HAS GINKO, INOSINE AND VANADIUM. AP DOES NOT.

D7 COSTS LESS.




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I mean formastanzol, beastdrol, all the other PH products, the whey - they are all good products. Id even go as far to say HCGenerate is too. It did 0 for me but at least the ingredients on it appear to be trying to elicit some form of benefit - ie they are a decent dose.


Now that was much too time consuming

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[Dogfox]

I wont be threatened by you nelson, you cant just ban everyone with an opinion. I did not call the mods or the senior members liars, reread my post please. You clearly stated that 10mcg of COQ10 was beneficial and that no more is needed. I pointed out that this is clearly not the case, as just a small serving of meat has 140 fold or more COQ10 in it. Therefore making your statement incorrect. If there are a few studies done on humans which show that 10mcg of COQ10 is beneficial and that more than that does not benefit one even further then please post them, if not that makes your original statement a lie does it not?

I looked at my OT and then i looked at your DX7 - the facts are that DX7 has higher B vits even tho OT still has thousands of percent over the daily values. Yet OT also packs 2 grams of chondroitin and glucosamine, as well as 1.55 grams of hyaluronic acid, bromelain, and MSM. something DX7 comes no where close to. It has MSM but at a measly dose in comparison. The same is true for its AA complex, theres less than a gram if im correct which is not a benefit to anyone like myself taking 400 grams protein from 7 different sources and already supplementing daily with BCAAs. Lastly DX7s vit and mineral complex are for the most part - i would say 90% of them much less than that of OT. Yes it is cheap but say I buy 2 of them, im still down on joint support and ive spent more than i would have on OT. Im not saying DX7 is a bad product, especially not for the price, as a beginners supp or as supp for someone whos low on cash its great. But for a person serious about thier supps, who has the money to pay extra - why would you not just go out and buy a better product for more money? they are more bc they are plain and simple better.
I am in no way affiliated with any product or product line so my argument is not subjective, far from it - it is objective and anyone who has read and compared the labels of DX7 to other multivits would know that yes its good, but that other products do a better job.

As for N2Guard I was merely pointing out that its ingredients are very very low in dose. If you can find me evidence that shows those doses work and that a higher dose did not equate to even greater benefits then I am more than happy to revoke my position on the matter, but the simple fact of the matter is that this evidence does not exist. N2guard is a fantastic concept but its praise cannot go further than that.

Again, I am not here to be threatened by you nelson. I am not here to get banned, but I am here, like everyone else, to express views, opinions, and in this case knowledge, on a myriad of subjects. And that is exactly what I have done.

Have a most wonderful afternoon,

 

[Nelson Montana]

I wont be threatened by you nelson, you cant just ban everyone with an opinion.


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NO THREATS BRO -- JUST LETTING YOU KNOW THERE ARE CONSEQUENCES TO ONE'S ACTIONS. YOU START CALLING PEOPLE LIARS AND YOU'RE ASKING FOR TROUBLE. I DIDN'T CALL YOU A LIAR. AND YOU'RE THE ONE WHO'S WRONG. YOU CAN'T SPEAK TO PEOPLE LIKE THAT. IF YOU DO, YOU GO. NO THREAT.


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I did not call the mods or the senior members liars, reread my post please. You clearly stated that 10mcg of COQ10 was beneficial and that no more is needed. I pointed out that this is clearly not the case, as just a small serving of meat has 140 fold or more COQ10 in it.

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THAT'S AN OPINION. IF SOMEONE HAS A DIFFERENT ONE THEY DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO CALL THOSE THEY DIFFER FROM LIARS. DO YOU GET THAT?


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Therefore making your statement incorrect. If there are a few studies done on humans which show that 10mcg of COQ10 is beneficial and that more than that does not benefit one even further then please post them, if not that makes your original statement a lie does it not?

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NO. YOU'RE MISQUOTING ME. THAT IS LYING..

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Again, I am not here to be threatened by you nelson. I am not here to get banned, but I am here, like everyone else, to express views, opinions, and in this case knowledge, on a myriad of subjects. And that is exactly what I have done.

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THEN LEARN HOW TO DO IT IN A RESPECTFUL MANNER. IT SEEMS TO ME YOU'RE JUST TRYING TO RIDE THE FENCE BETWEEN STAYING IN BOUNDS WHILE DISMISSING ANYTHING I SAY. I MAINTAIN -- COMPARE INGREDIENTS. DX7 IS A BETTER PRODUCT AND N2GUARD IS OUTSTANDING. IF YOU WANT HIGHER DOSAGES, TAKE A LITTLE EXTRA. IT'S PRETTY SIMPLE BUT YOU SEEM TO WANT TO FIND FAULT AND ARE WILLING TO DISTORT THE FACTS TO DO IT.

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Have a most wonderful afternoon,

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[needtogetaas]

Cut the shit. I am not in the mood and I don't have the time for it today. Make one sinlge follow up thread to this closed thread and everyong in that thread and this one will be banned... That is all