Big Jim Quinn -- on the right. One of the top guys in the 90's.
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We met back when I was writing for the mag and I ran into him today. He's doing training in NY. Still looks good. Great guy. We knocked around old times a bit but one of the more interesting things was the state of anabolics.
We both laughed at a time when Anadrol 50 was considered the most insane, powerful, dangerous. mind blowwing anabolic anyone could take. I never used it. Only the hardcore guys used it. If you used 2 a day, you were out of your mind. Today, I hear of guys training for 6 months using up to 100 mgs a day.
Which leads the next point...
Are guys today simply using too much but not gaining because they don;t have a foundation? Or is the stuff being passed of as 50 mgs not really 50 mgs? Shit, I remember when 10 mgs of dbol would blow me up. Old timers who I've interviewed used 10-20 mgs for contest prep.
You have to really wonder about a lot of UG stuff. I'd venture to guess half of it isn;t what it's claimed to be. Most of it is test, or watered down test. Tren is cheap tpo make so that might be real. But if a lab runs out of Tren -- mix some test with clen and voila! You got Tren. Out of 20 mg anavr? Sell 'em 10 mgs of winstrol, no one will know the difference. Is that really 100 mgs of Primo or is it 50 mgs of Test. What about the labs that claim 200mgs per CC of Primo? Well, that's biologically impossible so you KNOW they're full of shit. Going with foreign Pharm is the only way to make sure you're getting the real deal. Bayer Primoboan? I'm suspect of that stuff.
I've used UG test for my HRT and felt flat. 100 mgs was NOT 100 REAL mgs.
Anyway, it's an interesting perspective, But when the old timers say they did 500 mgs of gear for 6 weeks and all the internet gurus accuse them of lying, I think this is something to take into consideration.
I agree about the UG gear being sketchy, especially when it comes to Deca. After reading all the bad reviews on these boards about deca I am totally convinced that the majority of people have never used "real" Deca, and just got a bottle of test with a deca label wrapped around it. Real Deca has always been the "base" of our cycles and we always work around it because it is the most diverse drug on the market.
I boxed for years and every boxer I knew shot-up Deca like it was going out-of-style and used no other drugs. You would be able to punch for hours without getting remotely tired nor achy, and never got bloated, and got diced off of it. Don't undestand why Deca has such a bad rep on these boards??