Anybody Remember This Guy

[Nelson Montana]

Big Jim Quinn -- on the right. One of the top guys in the 90's.

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We met back when I was writing for the mag and I ran into him today. He's doing training in NY. Still looks good. Great guy. We knocked around old times a bit but one of the more interesting things was the state of anabolics.

We both laughed at a time when Anadrol 50 was considered the most insane, powerful, dangerous. mind blowwing anabolic anyone could take. I never used it. Only the hardcore guys used it. If you used 2 a day, you were out of your mind. Today, I hear of guys training for 6 months using up to 100 mgs a day.

Which leads the next point...

Are guys today simply using too much but not gaining because they don;t have a foundation? Or is the stuff being passed of as 50 mgs not really 50 mgs? Shit, I remember when 10 mgs of dbol would blow me up. Old timers who I've interviewed used 10-20 mgs for contest prep.

You have to really wonder about a lot of UG stuff. I'd venture to guess half of it isn;t what it's claimed to be. Most of it is test, or watered down test. Tren is cheap tpo make so that might be real. But if a lab runs out of Tren -- mix some test with clen and voila! You got Tren. Out of 20 mg anavr? Sell 'em 10 mgs of winstrol, no one will know the difference. Is that really 100 mgs of Primo or is it 50 mgs of Test. What about the labs that claim 200mgs per CC of Primo? Well, that's biologically impossible so you KNOW they're full of shit. Going with foreign Pharm is the only way to make sure you're getting the real deal. Bayer Primoboan? I'm suspect of that stuff.

I've used UG test for my HRT and felt flat. 100 mgs was NOT 100 REAL mgs.

Anyway, it's an interesting perspective, But when the old timers say they did 500 mgs of gear for 6 weeks and all the internet gurus accuse them of lying, I think this is something to take into consideration.

 

[clatus1]

Some very good points you make there, would explain some of the high dosages some of the gym rats are using with average gains!

 

[UA_Iron]

its the GH and the insulin that will put you to the next level. All the AAS in the world wont make you pro without those two things.

 

[Nelson Montana]

its the GH and the insulin that will put you to the next level. All the AAS in the world wont make you pro without those two things.

No it won't. It'll add size, but it doesn't make a championship physique. If anything, steroids do a much better job at building muscle.

 

[UA_Iron]

No it won't. It'll add size, but it doesn't make a championship physique. If anything, steroids do a much better job at building muscle.

And AAS do not build a championship physique either. Nothing will help for a lack of proportions or odd genetics.

I'll rephrase what I meant though: Insulin and GH are the synergistic compounds that when added to AAS will push you to the pro level provided you have the all the other factors under control.

Any spring breaker, jersey shore, model type can juice all they want. But its not unheard of for people to put on 30+ lbs after juicing for a long time when Insulin and GH are added in appropriately.

 

[bonacris]

I think too many guys are relying on the drugs to do the work rather than diet and training..

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[Lighter Fighter]

I think too many guys are relying on the drugs to do the work rather than diet and training..

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^^^100% Agreed.. People always are looking for shortcuts, and dont want to put in the hard work in the gym and kitchen..

The cycles i see posted here and other forums are OUTRAGEOUS, plain stupid, unless you're competing at a high level you should NOT need more than 2 compounds to make excellent gains, I can make great gains with 400mg test, no need more than that, if you cant make gains on that amount your shit is fake, underdosed or your training and nutrition sucks, now i understand you have to up the dosage as you get more advanced, but there is no need to add in another compound or increase it to a gram like most do, you can just take 600mg for your next cycle and still make great gains.

 

[ALIN]

I remember him well,,,that man was HUGE. Blast from the past with that one there.

 

[Nelson Montana]

And AAS do not build a championship physique either. Nothing will help for a lack of proportions or odd genetics.

I'll rephrase what I meant though: Insulin and GH are the synergistic compounds that when added to AAS will push you to the pro level provided you have the all the other factors under control.

Any spring breaker, jersey shore, model type can juice all they want. But its not unheard of for people to put on 30+ lbs after juicing for a long time when Insulin and GH are added in appropriately.

As I said, it'll add size, but if you don't have the other stuff in order, you'll get bloat up. Guys think slin and GH will give them that extra edge, but it's only if you already have a finished product.

 

[MattJS]

There are so many variables...Genetics diet and training play a massive part, and of course these things all change with time, there's a far greater variety of foodstuffs available now and the quality of the average persons diet is probably a lot worse now than it was thirty years ago, the quality of UG lab gear? We have no realistic way of knowing other than trial and error which is a flawed method in itself.

I'd say a lot of gym rats are making average gains because they are not dedicated lifestyle bodybuilders, a lot of these guys are partying at the weekends and relying on fast food for their nutrition, they can still look 'good' by turning up to the gym a few days a week and juicing, and thats good enough for them, of course they aren't gonna make the same progress as someone putting in the work in the gym and kitchen...

I'd never heard of Jim Quinn, very impressive physique....