Anybody else here that doesnt drink alcohol, smoke or do drugs?

[casavant]

sorry to hear that bro. Always sucks to depend on aids like that

True, but we all have our dependencies. This one saves me from falling into depending on the affection of a woman as badly as I would have before. It also saves me from countless other things like reckless, aggressive driving and hardly being able to drink without keeping on going until getting shitfaced drunk.

I see lots of traits such as these and others in people in day-to-day life and here on Elite. Many of them will not consider taking a medication for it and keep on trying to change things in there lives that are actually not the problem at all. Sometimes, when you're feeling down you'll search for a problem to confront, because at least a defined problem is something you can strive to correct. The thought that you can make yourself feel better by doing this or that, even if it brings no lasting joy of peace to your life when it's all said and done, can give a person hope instead of throwing them into despair. You see people doing this their whole life- constantly solving one "problem" after another- never willing to admit that nothing they do brings them any kind of lasting happiness.

Now, that's not to say that that is how everyone is. There are problems in anyone's life, and sometimes the correction of those problems (job, girlfriend, money, family, status, etc.) is a legitimate pursuit and really does have a lasting impact on happiness and self-esteem. There are those who can be pretty happy with life in general and wake up and enjoy most days, yet still strive for greater achievements. I think that is great. There are, however, many who live in misery with happy periods being few and fleeting. Now, I don't know if you even want to define the latter as a problem. I think it's largely just a trait of being human, and it has driven many people to do great things. But hell, they still die having lived most of their lives in anxiety, depression, and with low self-esteem. How important is it if you're mentioned in history books or your face is flashed all over TV if you've never really lived in happiness? You've only got one life. Noone ever said that being human was supposed to be fun, but noone ever said that you had to accept that and live chemical-free, either. When primitive tribes know exactly which plants to use to get high and how to create alcohol, you need look no further to realize that human beings are motivated largely by the desire to relieve tension in its many forms (and it does come in many forms.

That's why everyone has to weigh it out for themselves. If this drug allows me a greater chance of living with a higher level of baseline happiness and a full life span at the same time, without creating an overwhelming financial burden, I'm all for it.

 

[casavant]

the thing is, since most of these drugs are pretty new, nobody knows the long term effects.

I'm willing to take the chance.

 

[collegiateLifter]

You are just making excuses for your immoral habit.

you really gotta be careful about making harsh, ignorant and judgemental statements like these.

 

[c3bodybuilding]

I drink a glass of wine with dinner every now and then. Right now I'm on painkillers, but I also had a rotted wisdom tooth pulled a few hours ago LOL. I'm not too sure if that counts?

I have never smoked, nor would I ever want to. Smoking (both kinds) is nasty to me. That's just me though. I'm not here to judge anyone.

 

[bds20002002]

drinking/drugs???? not anymore. i eat beef, sleep, lift and walk now instead.

 

[beefybull]

Plornive, ok, lets make this an intelligent discussion. I am not trying to prove to the guy that drugs are bad. There are nationwide campaigns specifically designed just to do that. I was simply stating my own opinion, because I believe in clean, and healthy way of living. I grew up on the fields where drugs were not even heard of, with clean air and lots of wholesome food. Old people would live until their 80's there, and be as healthy as a 40 year olds. Now that I got this out of my way, BeefyBull post employed a self-defensive tactic to justify his habit to himself. It is a very common tactic of self denial among drug addicts, depressed people and those who are nearing death (remember the 5 steps?). I throw around opinions all over the place on this board, knowing that this post will disappear with people not even giving a second thought to it. Besides, even if I tried to raise an issue, there would be a huge debate between drug addicts.... I mean advocates... and me, which would ultimately would lead to fruitless result.. with everyone staying with the opinions they had started with.

Plornive, ok, lets make this an intelligent discussion. I am not trying to prove to the guy that drugs are bad. There are nationwide campaigns specifically designed just to do that. I was simply stating my own opinion, because I believe in clean, and healthy way of living. I grew up on the fields where drugs were not even heard of, with clean air and lots of wholesome food. Old people would live until their 80's there, and be as healthy as a 40 year olds. Now that I got this out of my way, BeefyBull post employed a self-defensive tactic to justify his habit to himself. It is a very common tactic of self denial among drug addicts, depressed people and those who are nearing death (remember the 5 steps?). I throw around opinions all over the place on this board, knowing that this post will disappear with people not even giving a second thought to it. Besides, even if I tried to raise an issue, there would be a huge debate between drug addicts.... I mean advocates... and me, which would ultimately would lead to fruitless result.. with everyone staying with the opinions they had started with.

Rev, my post didnt employ a self-defensive tactic of any kind... I made that post looking for a laugh, but it is factual at the same time. Marijuana is not addictive, unlike the crack and/or meth I referenced in my above post. I dont have a "habit" to justify (in your sense of the word).

To your drug "addicts/advocates" comment, of course there are going to be people who support responsible drug use. Even people who dont use drugs for one reason or another can support drug use, for maybe their job doesnt allow it or they are drug tested frequently (doctors, pilots, etc.). They can be supporters without using...

The nationwide campaigns you spoke of at the start of your posts are indeed campaigns... propaganda campaigns. Please tell me you've seen some of these commercials. Most intelligent children could even see through the bullshit, so the latest ad campaign lost funding. And what about the "terrorism" ads they ran during the Super Bowl. Yeah, buying a dime bag from some dude down your street is helping that fuck Osama, right? The ads are having less and less effect every year because people see what they are. They see D.A.R.E. and commercials which shout messages like "weed makes you crazy" and things like that. But then people try weed. They realize it doesnt make you crazy. Then they wonder about other things they've been told.

A big factor in the illegalization of marijuana was probably the fact that a large number of Mexican workers who came to america used it. Same with the opium and the Chinese workers. It stays illegal today because of big tobacco, lobbying, and the funding agencies get to "fight the drug war".

 

[BigBazooka]

Never tried drugs. I used to drink and I also smoked always when I was drunk, but I haven't really touched alcohol for 3 years now. Last Christmas I drank 2 glasses of red wine. I don't see myself drinking or smoking anywhere in the near future. I also quit ephedrine and I'm gonna stay natural untill next summer, maybe more.

 

[HG Pennypacker]

Have never smoked, have never taken a drug, I have a beer or glass of wine with dinner once or twice a month.

 

[the nature boy]

Have never smoked, have never taken a drug, I have a beer or glass of wine with dinner once or twice a month.

yeah right. I saw that carton of pal mals you carry with you.

 

[MarthaStewart]

I think everyone should experience most things at least once...

that's how I got started on serial raping.