Any threads about the Bombings in England yet?

[Austin316]

Yep because an article is able to 100% explain the minds of terrorists and why they do the things that they do, Golden is just an expert on the way terrorist minds work isn't he?

So what are your credentials? Why don't you include every single article ever written on the minds of evil to demonstrate your broad understanding of the subject?

Give me a break you look like a damn fool trying to provide excuses for what these people do rather then lable it what it truly is.

 

[AristotleBC]

http://amconmag.com/2005_07_18/article.html
here you go.

a quick excerpt: The central fact is that overwhelmingly suicide-terrorist attacks are not driven by religion as much as they are by a clear strategic objective: to compel modern democracies to withdraw military forces from the territory that the terrorists view as their homeland. From Lebanon to Sri Lanka to Chechnya to Kashmir to the West Bank, every major suicide-terrorist campaign—over 95 percent of all the incidents—has had as its central objective to compel a democratic state to withdraw.

and further: The evidence shows that the presence of American troops is clearly the pivotal factor driving suicide terrorism.

If Islamic fundamentalism were the pivotal factor, then we should see some of the largest Islamic fundamentalist countries in the world, like Iran, which has 70 million people—three times the population of Iraq and three times the population of Saudi Arabia—with some of the most active groups in suicide terrorism against the United States. However, there has never been an al-Qaeda suicide terrorist from Iran, and we have no evidence that there are any suicide terrorists in Iraq from Iran.

you know, the thing about shouting at people is that it draws attention...so when you get your ass handed to you, you look pretty stupid

asshat out

Weak Golden.

I asked you in your own words:


"Why then, if the terrorists' main objective and source of angst is the USA, do they focus most of their attacks on their own countrymen?"

Don't post some link that doesn't even address what I asked.

Tell me in YOUR own words.



The terrorists are not fighting against the US, their goal is to establish a new pan-Islamic, authoritarian empire.


You think Zarqawi is just fighting the "oppressive" USA? Look what he stated during the runup to the Iraqi elections:

""We have declared a fierce war on this evil principle of democracy and those who follow this wrong ideology," said the speaker, who identified himself as Zarqawi."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A30447-2005Jan23.html

 

[GoldenDelicious]

lol
give it a rest, you moral crusader you
I'd be willing to bet the sympathy you proclaim magically appears only when in a negative Bush situation...thousands more would be dead if it wasn't for Bush's decisions.

yeah. of old age.

And how many of those babies in bits and pieces are caused by the indiscriminate IED's of the jihadists you so wish to equate with us?

irrelevent. there were no IEDs in iraq before the US got there. IEDs are there because of the US. if someone is killed by an IED, then blame rests primarily with the US, particularly because the war in iraq is one that the us CHOSE to go to, and was in no way compelled.

and further, IEDs are not the main cause of death in iraq - disease is - but in terms of deaths, particularly of children, by explosive ordinance, most of it is made in the USA. ever heard of "shock and awe"? you know, one of the larger sorts of war crime committed by an industrialised country this decade? hm? or perhaps the dropping of 500 and 1000 pound bombs into densely populated nieghborhoods? do you know what the blast radius is of ordinance that heavy? a quarter of a mile radius. let me say that again, genius - a quarter of a mile - in cities made of clay brick and concrete, meaning that if the bomb didnt shred you in the first second, your house coming down around your ears is pulverised and actually chokes you with dust.

what kind of fucking animal drops a half tonne bomb in a super densely populated area? one made in the USA. oops, did that offend you?

my point is that people, and by people I mean liberals need to stop giving terrorists an excuse for their actions. Just like the criminals and low lifes of our own society liberals ENABLE their behavior (notice I didn't say democrat I'm reffering to striclty far left), they would even scream bloody murder if we cruely and brutally tortured one of these people to gain information (say about bombs going into a subway) that saved 100 innocents from death or injury

oh bullshit, youre starting about 10 steps down the ladder of cause and effect. terrorists dont come out of their mothers womb with an explosive vest, theyre a product of their environment (of course some people are more prone to these sorts of acts than others, but regardless, such latencies exist in us all). talking about why terrorists do what they do and dealing with it isnt appeasement, or enablement - its flat out common sense (which isnt too bloody common, imo!)

rather than have to torture someone to find out where the next bomb is going to be, dont you think it is a more agreeable state of affairs if everyone was happy, and there were no bombs in the first place? so maybe, you should take a look at what is making people unhappy? like, you know, the dirty great big american base on land occupied by their ancestors for the past few millenia, which happens to facilitate the syphoning of their most valuable natural resounce (oil) from under their very feet, by a bunch of fat, well fed foreighners, while they struggle to merely survive? hm?

These are evil scumbags who would just as soon stomp on a newborn infants head to appease to their twisted version of Allah to make a point to us "infedels" as they would go after a soldier. Don't turn this on anything to do with Iraq, get it through your heads that this isn't about Iraq, this is abotu sick fuckers who need to have their bodies scalded in acid and dragged through a vat of pigs blood before being before ending their worthless evil lives, I don't view these fuckers as people, they are a plague of evil on the Islam/Muslim world. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH BUSH OR IRAQ!!! Mother Theresa could be our prez or englands prime minister and they would still do this

if mother theresa sent troops into iraq to maim and kill iraqis, bombed the hell out of entire neighborhoods, levelled whole cities (fallujah), with an agenda of basically looting an entire country, then i daresay id agree with you....though i get the feeling htat mother theresa wouldnt do such a thing. get your head out of the sand (if not from your intestinal observatory) and realise that the policy is the problem.

as far as the point about innocents dying in Iraq, well Sadaam had no problem massacaring his own people, countless women were raped brutally while their husbands were forced to watch Sadaams men do this and kill their children without a second thought. Our soldiers do not set out to intentionally hurt innocents, the resistance sure does though, bottom line innocents would still be dying in Iraq if we weren't there and in a much more gruesome way, down the line it is our goal that none of this will happen once they get their system in order and take control of themselves and can show they can protect themselves from these lunatics

youre right. if we didnt kill them, they would have died anyway, so it must be ok.

idiot.

 

[BrothaBill]

http://amconmag.com/2005_07_18/article.html
here you go.

a quick excerpt: The central fact is that overwhelmingly suicide-terrorist attacks are not driven by religion as much as they are by a clear strategic objective: to compel modern democracies to withdraw military forces from the territory that the terrorists view as their homeland. From Lebanon to Sri Lanka to Chechnya to Kashmir to the West Bank, every major suicide-terrorist campaign—over 95 percent of all the incidents—has had as its central objective to compel a democratic state to withdraw.

and further: The evidence shows that the presence of American troops is clearly the pivotal factor driving suicide terrorism.

If Islamic fundamentalism were the pivotal factor, then we should see some of the largest Islamic fundamentalist countries in the world, like Iran, which has 70 million people—three times the population of Iraq and three times the population of Saudi Arabia—with some of the most active groups in suicide terrorism against the United States. However, there has never been an al-Qaeda suicide terrorist from Iran, and we have no evidence that there are any suicide terrorists in Iraq from Iran.

you know, the thing about shouting at people is that it draws attention...so when you get your ass handed to you, you look pretty stupid

asshat out

LOL, GD r u serious? or just trying to draw out an argument lolol. Iran?? The mullahs??LOL?? Their foreign policy and their operations, ummmm please tell me you are joking so I dont have to post up why Iranian leaders(not the people) are bad. lolololololololol. Now you really gave me a softball on this one

 

[spongebob]

i dont like evildoers.

 

[Austin316]

lol fucking fool, thats all you are, especially since you rather then identifying the one common factor related to all of these terrorist organizations that drives them and brainwashes them at a very young age to embrace who and what they are, it is not America or the west, if you think so you are an idiot, can you even identify this one thing that is to blame but no politician is willing to because in differant aspects the majority of the world bears this in common? Its the greatest cause of mass genocide, murdering, and wars throughout history, blaming Bush or the Political Machine of the West is incredibly stupid and dense

The west, democracy, us evil republicans are not the initial cause of terrorism, and please tell me your not so dense that you can't tell me what it is.

 

[75th]

http://amconmag.com/2005_07_18/article.html
here you go.

a quick excerpt: The central fact is that overwhelmingly suicide-terrorist attacks are not driven by religion as much as they are by a clear strategic objective: to compel modern democracies to withdraw military forces from the territory that the terrorists view as their homeland. From Lebanon to Sri Lanka to Chechnya to Kashmir to the West Bank, every major suicide-terrorist campaign—over 95 percent of all the incidents—has had as its central objective to compel a democratic state to withdraw.

and further: The evidence shows that the presence of American troops is clearly the pivotal factor driving suicide terrorism.

If Islamic fundamentalism were the pivotal factor, then we should see some of the largest Islamic fundamentalist countries in the world, like Iran, which has 70 million people—three times the population of Iraq and three times the population of Saudi Arabia—with some of the most active groups in suicide terrorism against the United States. However, there has never been an al-Qaeda suicide terrorist from Iran, and we have no evidence that there are any suicide terrorists in Iraq from Iran.

you know, the thing about shouting at people is that it draws attention...so when you get your ass handed to you, you look pretty stupid

asshat out

That "argument" is so flawed its rediculous.

Ive put you in your place over and over again. Read up on Wahhabism. WHY do you think these folks so desperately want us out of the area? Because of the religious and fundamental principles of Wahhabism. Yes, it is indeed very much a RELIGION issue at heart. The fact that you cant see this (or you simply dont want to admit it) is mind numbing.

The reason why we dont see this coming from the folks in Iran? Well, Iran is probably the most pro-western country in the middle east after Israel. The majority of citizens have grown to love Western culture. That, and the government doesnt spend billions of dollars each year funding schools of religious hatred.

Also, compare Iran's 11.4% unemployment rate with Saudi Arabia's 40%. Thats a lot of young, impressionable, dirt-poor folk looking for someone to place the blame on. And who do you think their leaders spend billions of dollars on suggesting they blame? Ill give you a hint since you seem a tad slow.......its sure as hell not them.

 

[GoldenDelicious]

Yep because an article is able to 100% explain the minds of terrorists and why they do the things that they do, Golden is just an expert on the way terrorist minds work isn't he?

So what are your credentials? Why don't you include every single article ever written on the minds of evil to demonstrate your broad understanding of the subject?

Give me a break you look like a damn fool trying to provide excuses for what these people do rather then lable it what it truly is.

i didnt say im an expert on anything (except drugs, cause i am ) but i like to think i possess a good deal of common sense, but there isnt much i can do with a bunch of clowns who want to get on their soapbox, declare "terrorists hate us, because they do" (as if that is some sort of logical explanation, rather than an empty, circum verbose statement) and have the gall (or the idiocy, and i suspect the latter) to become sarcastic in the face of solid evidence from an american associate professor who specialises in just this field!

sorry mate but youre an intellectual write off. youre so used to believing something that you refuse to reassess it, even in the face of unbiased evidence from someone on your side, and i refuse to argue with people like that, because it just becomes a bitching session.

i cant explain to a blind man what the color blue is, and similarly, i cannot get you to conceptualise some fairly simple ideas, because its beyond you. i could sit here and laugh at your shallow intellect, but its not a nice thing to do.

 

[GoldenDelicious]

Weak Golden.

I asked you in your own words:

"Why then, if the terrorists' main objective and source of angst is the USA, do they focus most of their attacks on their own countrymen?"

Don't post some link that doesn't even address what I asked.

Tell me in YOUR own words.

The terrorists are not fighting against the US, their goal is to establish a new pan-Islamic, authoritarian empire.

You think Zarqawi is just fighting the "oppressive" USA? Look what he stated during the runup to the Iraqi elections:

""We have declared a fierce war on this evil principle of democracy and those who follow this wrong ideology," said the speaker, who identified himself as Zarqawi."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A30447-2005Jan23.html

i thought it would have been obvious. iraqi on iraqi violence seems to be centred on what are seen as collaborators with the invaders, which is why you have continuous suicide bombings at recruitment centres, executions of the new iraqi police (dogs of the americans), and assassination of members of the new iraqi government (a puppet government if ever there was)

and also, in regards to zarquawi, are you aware that no one has actually seen this guy - even people in his supposed nieghborhood have no idea who he is. i suspect that he doesnt exist - so please dont use his supposed 'statements' as issued by a corporate media as evidence of the mindset of the iraqi resistance. rather, why not look at the recruitment videos issued by various jihadist groups. theyre narrated in british accented english, and its clear taht they are fighting what they see as an opressor, and do not in any way seek to creat a pan islamic state. the only group to suggest such a thing was islaiah jammasaiah, who seem to be a bunch of hacks, comparitively.

and you say that my arguments are weak. ha!

 

[AristotleBC]

In many ways they are. The fact that you've shown that you choose to disbelieve things or believe things whose only 'evidence' is your own biased cynicism demeans to some degree the rest of what you say.

Implying the British and American govts were behind the London attacks simply because you've never heard of those that claimed responsibility, or implying Zarqawi doesn't exist and is some kind of intelligence product is absurd without extensive research to back it up ... it shows your willingness to believe certain things based on bias alone and it represents a big fat hole in your thinking.


Also, if you are not aware that many of these groups desire to establish a pan-Islamic empire and believe destroying the USA and other democratic nations will accomplish this, I recommend further study on the subject.