Any big guys in here that compete and can help me out?

[Massive12]

Hey fellas. What is going on? Looking for some help from you guys. Gonna try to keep this short and sweet. I am 34, have been lifting my entire life. I have been on the juice since my first year of college. I blast and cruise, usually around 20 weeks on and 10-12 weeks off. I cruise on 500mg of Test E, with 100-200mg of Deca, and 6iu of GH a week. I have used just about every compound under the sun, whether it is a steroid, peptide, or whatever.
I am 5-11, 275, and I would say around 12% body fat. You can see the outline of my abs, so I am not too fat. I only lift and body build for a hobby.. never thought about competing. Well I have been talking to my friends and they think I could do very well, so I am going to give it a shot. I have never prepared for a contest before. I know how to diet and cut.. but not the entire drug process. I know what compounds to use, but not exactly how to put them together. I looked into getting a prep coach.. and he wants half my house, my girlfriend, and my left arm to set me up with a program. I am not too concerned with money, but this guys price was just too much in my opinion. So I am going to be doing this myself, with the help of my bros, and hopefully you guys. We have come up with an outline, so tell me what you think.

20 Weeks Out
1500mg Test E
800mg Equipoise
700mg NPP
50mg D-Bol/day

16 Weeks Out
1500mg Test E
800mg Equipoise
700mg NPP

12 Weeks Out
1500mg Test E
800mg Equipoise
700mg NPP
1050mg Mast Prop
450mg Tren Hex

8 Weeks Out
1500mg Test E
800mg Equipoise
1050mg Mast Prop
600mg Tren Hex
100mg Winstrol Depot/day
100mg Anavar/day
80mcg Clen/day
2mg Keto/day
25mcg T-3/day

4 Weeks Out
1050mg Test Prop
1050mg Mast Prop
600mg Tren Hex
100mg Winstrol Depot/day
100mg Anavar/day
50mg Halo/day
80mcg Clen/day
2mg Keto/day
50mcg T3/day


Then it's show time.

Will use IGF-1 LR3, 100mcg 3 times per week, 4 weeks on, 4 weeks off. Insulin, 20iu/day 4 weeks on 4 weeks off. Think I will drop about 8 weeks out. Going to bump the GH from 6iu to 8iu.

Support will include:
Prami, Aromasin, Letro, Nolva, HCTZ
N-AC, Liv-52, Synthergine, Hawthorne Berry, Milk Thistle, Tudca

After cycle, I will go back to cruising and will run Nolva for 4-6 weeks.

Please don't troll this. Looking for real advice. Thanks.

 

[MMAjake]

Hey dude, I have no where near the amount of experience you have but is it not considered staying if your "cruising" on 500mg of test. That isn't cruising lol.

Not hating, just asking why

Cycle looks awesome, made me smile when I thought of the gains your gunna make

 

[Massive12]

What do you mean not considered staying? 500mg of Test is a normal cruising dose. It's not TRT to restore good test levels. It's cruising to help keep test levels high enough to maintain the mass that is on my frame. Been cruising on 500mg of test for a few years now, and the Deca is for joints and such.

 

[Reps For Jesus]

Similar to what I am running right now. You're a bit bigger than me though. Things look good to me, but layouts are just layouts. You will have to see how things are going and adjust things if you need to. Good luck.

 

[RickRock13]

You are probably going to want to lower that test down to cruising dose the final 4 weeks to bring down water retention.

And yes, 500mg cruise is normal for a guy your size thats far past their genetic limit. It takes a higher cruising dose to hold your mass

 

[Massive12]

Thanks for the advice. Shedding water is not something I normally do or know much about. One of my friends recommended lasix and letro at the end to help get dry. I would much rather just drop test down to 500mg or so a week, than switch to prop.

 

[EZ_E]

Hey fellas. What is going on? Looking for some help from you guys. Gonna try to keep this short and sweet. I am 34, have been lifting my entire life. I have been on the juice since my first year of college. I blast and cruise, usually around 20 weeks on and 10-12 weeks off. I cruise on 500mg of Test E, with 100-200mg of Deca, and 6iu of GH a week. I have used just about every compound under the sun, whether it is a steroid, peptide, or whatever.
I am 5-11, 275, and I would say around 12% body fat. You can see the outline of my abs, so I am not too fat. I only lift and body build for a hobby.. never thought about competing. Well I have been talking to my friends and they think I could do very well, so I am going to give it a shot. I have never prepared for a contest before. I know how to diet and cut.. but not the entire drug process. I know what compounds to use, but not exactly how to put them together. I looked into getting a prep coach.. and he wants half my house, my girlfriend, and my left arm to set me up with a program. I am not too concerned with money, but this guys price was just too much in my opinion. So I am going to be doing this myself, with the help of my bros, and hopefully you guys. We have come up with an outline, so tell me what you think.

20 Weeks Out
1500mg Test E
800mg Equipoise
700mg NPP
50mg D-Bol/day

16 Weeks Out
1500mg Test E
800mg Equipoise
700mg NPP

12 Weeks Out
1500mg Test E
800mg Equipoise
700mg NPP
1050mg Mast Prop
450mg Tren Hex

8 Weeks Out
1500mg Test E
800mg Equipoise
1050mg Mast Prop
600mg Tren Hex
100mg Winstrol Depot/day
100mg Anavar/day
80mcg Clen/day
2mg Keto/day
25mcg T-3/day

4 Weeks Out
1050mg Test Prop
1050mg Mast Prop
600mg Tren Hex
100mg Winstrol Depot/day
100mg Anavar/day
50mg Halo/day
80mcg Clen/day
2mg Keto/day
50mcg T3/day


Then it's show time.

Will use IGF-1 LR3, 100mcg 3 times per week, 4 weeks on, 4 weeks off. Insulin, 20iu/day 4 weeks on 4 weeks off. Think I will drop about 8 weeks out. Going to bump the GH from 6iu to 8iu.

Support will include:
Prami, Aromasin, Letro, Nolva, HCTZ
N-AC, Liv-52, Synthergine, Hawthorne Berry, Milk Thistle, Tudca

After cycle, I will go back to cruising and will run Nolva for 4-6 weeks.

Please don't troll this. Looking for real advice. Thanks.

Now this is the BIG time...

Can you post some "now" pics and maybe update us with pics as the weeks go on?

What weight class do you plan to compete in?

 

[Massive12]

I hope to be in the super-heavy weight class, but I really don't know how much I will end up weighing at the end of this. I think I will be around 220-230 after all the water is out. In the summer I was down to around 7% body fat and I was right around 245.
I will get some pics up, just give me a few minutes. Have to do some editing for privacy reasons. I would like to update my progress as I go, that way I can get some good coaching and opinions

 

[Nelson Montana]

Well, I ain;t so big, but when I worked for the muscle mags I spoke to lots of pros. You want to know the secret stack that gets them so cut? It's 5000 milligrams of Gettheforkoutofyourfaceabolin.

In other words, it doesn't matter what you use. They all grow muscle. The more you use, the better they work.

You can get lots of advice saying do this and that and the other thing this day and that day. But it's all guesswork.

Of course, some are better for size, some are better for hardness, etc, etc, But if you've been at it for that long and still don't know that, I suggest you stop everything and start learning before you do another shot.

 

[mrdmd]

That seems big, but as you were told, big begets big. I would be a little cautious about the winny at that dose for that long - might be over kill when 50mg a day would get you there.

It really isn't going to matter though what you do from 20 to 2 if you don't have the piece of the puzzle for the last week. Make sure you put a plan together for that part and stick to it. Many a good protocols are mothballed because of failure to put the last 7 days together.

Please post pic along the way it will be fun to watch.

 

[RickRock13]

Thanks for the advice. Shedding water is not something I normally do or know much about. One of my friends recommended lasix and letro at the end to help get dry. I would much rather just drop test down to 500mg or so a week, than switch to prop.

You have to be careful with the Lasix. There are a lot of guys out there that have ended up in the hospital by not using it correctly. Using letro the last two weeks to really help dry up is pretty standard protocol though. You just have to accept that your libido will be shot during that time.

 

[fizzisnumerouno]

Subbed. This seems interesting. I'm hoping you place. My bro placed1st in his 1st show and wanted me to join him in his last. Just as the other bros said, it's all about the last 7 days. I know you said you were maintaining inconspicuousness, but just give us a log and a yay or nay for the results. Here's to the underdog.

 

[Massive12]

Montana, thank you for your insight. I understand what you are saying. I think there is a big difference though between getting ready for stage, and getting ready for summer.
Thank you guys for the feedback. Still along ways away from being 7 days out. Have a lot to think about.
Here are some photos. I am not one of those guys that takes pics of himself in the mirror while working out and what not. All I really have on my phone and socially networking is candid photos and me and family and things of that variety. I will upload a few of those. Will get some full body shots for you guys to view this coming week. The first is from a few weeks ago, second is from this summer, and the last is from a few weeks ago as well.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Montana, thank you for your insight. I understand what you are saying. I think there is a big difference though between getting ready for stage, and getting ready for summer.
Thank you guys for the feedback. Still along ways away from being 7 days out. Have a lot to think about.
Here are some photos. I am not one of those guys that takes pics of himself in the mirror while working out and what not. All I really have on my phone and socially networking is candid photos and me and family and things of that variety. I will upload a few of those. Will get some full body shots for you guys to view this coming week. The first is from a few weeks ago, second is from this summer, and the last is from a few weeks ago as well.

Didn't realize I was talking about getting ready for summer. I was talking about what the pros do.

You seem plenty big. What's the mystery? Lean out and sweat out some water the last few days.

Guys get caught up in the minutea and in the end it doesn't matter. The judges aren't that particular, unless it's the Olympia or the Arnold. They'll give you all a glance and judge pretty much who's the biggest to who's the smallest. Believe me, I've been a part of enough competitions to talk from experience.

 

[MMAjake]

Sorry for the ignorance dude, you look in great shape good luck

 

[RickRock13]

Didn't realize I was talking about getting ready for summer. I was talking about what the pros do.

You seem plenty big. What's the mystery? Lean out and sweat out some water the last few days.

Guys get caught up in the minutea and in the end it doesn't matter. The judges aren't that particular, unless it's the Olympia or the Arnold. They'll give you all a glance and judge pretty much who's the biggest to who's the smallest. Believe me, I've been a part of enough competitions to talk from experience.

I actually agree with Nelson on peak week. Too many guys put emphasis on the final 7 days thinking there is some sort of "magic" that will take place with water, carb, and sodium manipulation, but that's really not the key. The key is to get I to condition. Once you reach that point, anything you do that final week won't make much difference. I believe you should keep from doing too much different the final week, as a lot of guys end up making themselves look worse by making too many changes.

As you said, you don't need to worry about that right now at this point. You have a log way to go, and right now it should just be focused on getting your body composition the way you want it

 

[Nelson Montana]

I actually agree with Nelson on peak week. Too many guys put emphasis on the final 7 days thinking there is some sort of "magic" that will take place with water, carb, and sodium manipulation, but that's really not the key. The key is to get I to condition. Once you reach that point, anything you do that final week won't make much difference. I believe you should keep from doing too much different the final week, as a lot of guys end up making themselves look worse by making too many changes.

As you said, you don't need to worry about that right now at this point. You have a log way to go, and right now it should just be focused on getting your body composition the way you want it

Yep, and it's usually the case.

I'll quote Big Jim Quinn who regarding contest prep said: "If something is working, don't try to get clever by fine tuning it cause you'll just mess it up."

Thinking of switching to prop so you'll boat less? You might look smaller.

Thinking of using clen? It might be catabolic.

Thinking of using lasix? You might look flat.

Thinking of using a little slin to fill out? You might die.

Thinking of carb loading? You might look smooth.


Just break a good sweat the day before and eat and drink light on the day of the show and then go have fun. Even if you look 2% sharper by doing all the crazy manipulating, it won't make one iota of a difference in the outcome. Shawn Ray and Lee LaBrada always looked perfect -- cut, dense, aesthetic, dry, no weak points -- yet never won. Why? They're not big.

I'm not saying you can be big and fat, but EVERYBODY is in shape. And the bigger guy always wins. Always. (Unless someone is a friend of a judge. That's the reality of these shows.)

 

[fizzisnumerouno]

Yep, and it's usually the case.

I'll quote Big Jim Quinn who regarding contest prep said: "If something is working, don't try to get clever by fine tuning it cause you'll just mess it up."

Thinking of switching to prop so you'll boat less? You might look smaller.

Thinking of using clen? It might be catabolic.

Thinking of using lasix? You might look flat.

Thinking of using a little slin to fill out? You might die.

Thinking of carb loading? You might look smooth.


Just break a good sweat the day before and eat and drink light on the day of the show and then go have fun. Even if you look 2% sharper by doing all the crazy manipulating, it won't make one iota of a difference in the outcome. Shawn Ray and Lee LaBrada always looked perfect -- cut, dense, aesthetic, dry, no weak points -- yet never won. Why? They're not big.

I'm not saying you can be big and fat, but EVERYBODY is in shape. And the bigger guy always wins. Always. (Unless someone is a friend of a judge. That's the reality of these shows.)

Nicely stated.