Anti-Israel Thread

[Ffactor]

Anyway, the point of these numerous posts is that there is clearly an OVERWHELMING support in favour of Israel. This in turn induces the Palestinians to think that the U.S. along with Israel pose a direct threat to their existense. If we compare the number of Palestinians killed to the number of Israelis, suicide bombings or not, the ratio is MUCH more favourable to the Israelis.
I think Americans are just beginning to realize this. At least I am. Very soon you will see a shift in public sentiment, with the exception of the Jewish population in this country. The number of Jews in this country is more than that of Israel........but don't quote me on that. Anyway, we have either the largest or second largest Jewish population in the world.

 

[chesty]

Let's put it simply, the Palestinians are pigs (that is the hamas, plo, and other's) it does appear that the normal, everyday Palestinian is no different than the average Jewish citizen. I find the mentality of suicide bombing or kamikazee or whatever quite disturbing. And for a people to so completely embrace that idea is a terrifying event.

I don't think the public opinion of support for Israel will change. We will always support Israel.

 

[Ffactor]

My bad....I thought the Jews were the original pig people....going back to my ignorant stage.....since we always seem to resort back to that!!!

 

[clusterfoxtrot]

FF - There are 13M Jews in the world; 5.8M in the US and 4.8M in Israel. There are over a 1 Billion Muslims in the world.

13M : 1B - Pretty overwhelming odds I would say.

The Israelis kicked the living crap out the Arabs on a 3-sided attack, outnumbered 7:1, using old Phantom fighters while the Arabs had the more modern MiGs. I think the statistics only go to show the spirit of the people and their resolve not to give up their homeland or way of life. The rest of the Arab world is jealous.

 

[Ffactor]

Cluster-
Perhaps you are right. I am only questioning our involvement in this matter and what it makes us susceptible to. Excuse the bad language...merely trying to keep up with the rest of my comrades on this board!!

 

[Fonz]

A breach of national security to manufacture M-16s? Mattel and General Motors used to make them.

Here's a brief history of Israeli aramament:

Boeing F-15 (US)
Lockheed F-16 (US)
Lavi (Israel)
Nesher (Israel)
Kfir (Israel)
Dassault Mirage (French)

With the exception of the B-17 and old P-51 Mustangs, US aviation platforms weren't even introduced to Israel until the mid-60s

They currently use a mix of Apache and Blackhawk (US) and Eurocopter (Joint European) helicopters.

Their UAVs and satellites are 100% Israeli designed and developed.

Their main battle tank, the Merkava Mark 4, is Israeli manufactured with US, Israeli, and several other country's components.

Their submarines are German built.

Almost all of their surface fleet is built in Israel.

Sorry, but you forgot a VERY important fact.

All the parts of the -15's/16's and electronics package
upgrades i.e. LPI radar and the like + phoenixs,
sidewinder missiles etc... COME FROM THE US!!!!

What about photographic intelligence from the KH-11's and
12's?

You seriously think the NRO would give Isarel direct access
to these things????

I don't think so.

The US gives them the intel.

And I could go on.......


Oh, and where do you think Israel got the nuclear material
(The Uranium and Plutonium), necessary to build
its first generation of nuclear fission bombs?

They STOLE THE MATERIAL FROM THE US.

Having a nuclear capacity MADE THE ARABS THINK TWICE
ABOUT ATTACKING ISRAEL AGAIN.....after the 7 days war.

Who do you think ALSO gave the Israeli's detailed plans
on how to build a nuclear power-plant capable of generating
fissionable nuclear material, along with a capacity to
produce their own tritium and nuclear separation-plant
technology?

The US.

The Israeli "research" nuclear plant at Dimona is a mirror
image of american ones.

Dude, you know nothing.

Without the US's help in the 70's, Israel would be a smoking ruin
by now.

Fonz

 

[Code]

With the exception of the B-17 and old P-51 Mustangs, US aviation platforms weren't even introduced to Israel until the mid-60s

Gee it took them a whole 6-10 years to ask for our planes. Israel has only been around since '54.

 

[Fonz]

Gee it took them a whole 6-10 years to ask for our planes. Israel has only been around since '54.

LOL

I swear some Israeli's need to ADMIT the US saved their
collective asses....

Fonz

 

[clusterfoxtrot]

Fonz:

1) We give Israel the F-15/F-16 platforms and they make their own modifications, which in turn, they provide back to the US for reincorporation into the platform.

2) In addition to the Sidewinders, Israel uses a myriad of other armaments, made internally and in other countries.

3) Israel has little to no access or reliance on our Keyhole platform since the launch of their Ofeq-series birds.

4) Dimona was built with French plans, not US, as well as input from Sweden and South Africa.

Somewhere in there, I missed your point. Who cares if the US has helped Israel as much as they have. Israel is grateful. Maybe instead, we could have helped Iraq build nuclear capabilities. Check your facts before you leap to conjecture.

 

[Code]

LOL

I swear some Israeli's need to ADMIT the US saved their
collective asses....

Fonz

It'll never happen.
They will still continue to show contempt for the surrounding nations and vice verse. And thus we will continue to send them money, arms and aid.

This is why we are in the crosshairs of terrorists. Until we let Isreal stand on her own two feet, we will never see the end of terror attempts.

 

[clusterfoxtrot]

As a postscript, Belgium has been one of the primary suppliers of Uranium. Israel enriches it and extracts Plutonium-239 and Tritium (via Lithium-6 bombardment process) through their own program with design input from St. Gobain Techinques, a French company. The Tritium is used for "boosting" the effects of the P-239.

 

[clusterfoxtrot]

Thanks....got typing too fast. What's a few extra atoms between friends.

 

[clusterfoxtrot]

I correct myself again, I was right it is Pu-239

 

[Code]

I correct myself again, I was right it is Pu-239

I was thinking of Np 238 being used to convert uranium 235 into Pu-238. So my 8's got crossed with my 5's.

 

[clusterfoxtrot]

Plutonium-239 is one of the two fissile materials used for the production of nuclear weapons and in some nuclear reactors as a source of energy. The other fissile material is uranium-235. Plutonium-239 is virtually nonexistent in nature. It is made by bombarding uranium-238 with neutrons in a nuclear reactor. Uranium-238 is present in quantity in most reactor fuel; hence plutonium-239 is continuously made in these reactors. Since plutonium-239 can itself be split by neutrons to release energy, plutonium-239 provides a portion of the energy generation in a nuclear reactor.

 

[Strong_Man20]

I find the mentality of suicide bombing or kamikazee or whatever quite disturbing. And for a people to so completely embrace that idea is a terrifying event.

And your idea of commiting genocide in Iraq, Afghanistan, egypt Filipines, North korea etc is any less disturbing...no??

 

[dballer]

Let's put it simply, the Palestinians are pigs (that is the hamas, plo, and other's) it does appear that the normal, everyday Palestinian is no different than the average Jewish citizen. I find the mentality of suicide bombing or kamikazee or whatever quite disturbing. And for a people to so completely embrace that idea is a terrifying event.

I don't think the public opinion of support for Israel will change. We will always support Israel.

If someone took your family.. (forever)... the idea of suicide bombing when you have nothing left does not seem so bad. Remember.. these people are not Christians.

This is a totally diffrent subject.. it is hard for ANY of us to guage what it is like to see a tank gome down the road and watch your family get hosed right there. Then to know it is happening all around you... these are acts of desparation.

If a human being was running Israel... and not a demon.. there might be peace. But until the mindless monster is gone.. he will continue to slaughter.. and they will continue to throw rocks and make crude bombs.

 

[clusterfoxtrot]

Lost my will to debate...4mg of Lorazepam and I am outta here...aideu

 

[Strong_Man20]

It's kind of hard to make peace when you have suicide bombers slipping through the line and making their way into the lunchroom of schools, isn't it?
]

Well if the Palestinians are expected to negotiate under occupation, then the Israelis should also negotiate under resistance from that occupation...dont u reckon

What is Egypt doing with all of the money? We certainly haven't seen the dollar for dollar return that we have from Israel.

Being that the Arab governments in the ME are complete puppets to the US and Israel....I dont think you have much to complain about do you? Did you know it has been said that Israel recieves her funds through Arab countries indirectly, apparently all of the money that these slaves store are in American banks. America apparently gives less intrest than what is owed and uses that to fund Israel. Why should these shitbags care?? They are stealing there countries wealth while the US are protecting them..

CIA, Mossad and the Arab governments coordinate with eachother all the time

King Hussein of Jordan warned Israel that an attack was being planned on her before the 6 day war.

They are slaves, someone willing to sell there peoples blood are very valuable

 

[Fonz]

I correct myself again, I was right it is Pu-239

LOL.

Just so you know my speciality is NUCLEAR Reactor
design in respect to aerospace Eng. I just finished
my masters.

i.e. I study NUCLEAR PROPULSION SYSTEMS.

So, I think I know what I'm talking about.

And btw, tritium is used in second-stage fission bombs and
as a triggering device for a thermonuclear fusion bomb.

Tritium is squirted into the "primary" and gives a vast quantity
of neutrons to the nuclear reaction.

It is the most expensive commercially available substance
on eart(Used for gunsights). Goes for $50 000/gram.

I could build an atomic bomb if I wanted to. The engineering
is simple. Acquiring the necessary nuclear material is the
hard part.

Fonz

 

[clusterfoxtrot]

Fonz:

That's great. Hopefully you will put that education to good use. While you were busy entering puberty, I was assigned to front line operations in the mid-East as an OpSec advisor and trainer. Theory vs. Reality always amuses me.

I'm quite familiar with Tritium...it's on all of my Sig and H & K gear.

I have been somewhat untrue to myself so I will let it rip:

After much time in the Mid-East, watching first-hand what happens, I can honestly say that I am sick and tired of the Palestinians in specific and the Arabs in general. I am a fair-minded, fact-oriented person. Sharon's military tacticals are blunt and brutal becasue they need to be. The Arab mind, as a generalization, is eye-for-eye and the only thing they understand is getting hit across the head with a 2 X 4. It's a damn good thing I am not in charge, becasue if I had my druthers I would be doing loops around the Gaza and West Banks with Spooky's and Spectres killing anything that moves. Then, once that was done, I would bulldoze the entire god-forsaken land and do something productive with it.

Once that is done, it's time to send the balloon up. Tactical nuclear strikes on both Iran and Iraq. We need to kill at least 250,000 civilians. Let that be a shot across the bow of the rest of the Muslim population not to f**k with the US.

Had to get that out of my system. Kill 'em all and let God sort them out.

De Oppresso Liber

CF

 

[Code]

Fonz:

That's great. Hopefully you will put that education to good use. While you were busy entering puberty, I was assigned to front line operations in the mid-East as an OpSec advisor and trainer. Theory vs. Reality always amuses me.



CF

Oh wait a minute I thought you said, "I'm a communications consultant and advisor. Prior to that, I designed and installed command and control centers for the DoD, before that developed electronics for various black projects, before that - I don't exist "

Hmm, now your an OpSec advisor?

Oh wait, your title was "International Man of Mystery" right?

 

[Fonz]

Fonz:

That's great. Hopefully you will put that education to good use. While you were busy entering puberty, I was assigned to front line operations in the mid-East as an OpSec advisor and trainer. Theory vs. Reality always amuses me.

I'm quite familiar with Tritium...it's on all of my Sig and H & K gear.

I have been somewhat untrue to myself so I will let it rip:

After much time in the Mid-East, watching first-hand what happens, I can honestly say that I am sick and tired of the Palestinians in specific and the Arabs in general. I am a fair-minded, fact-oriented person. Sharon's military tacticals are blunt and brutal becasue they need to be. The Arab mind, as a generalization, is eye-for-eye and the only thing they understand is getting hit across the head with a 2 X 4. It's a damn good thing I am not in charge, becasue if I had my druthers I would be doing loops around the Gaza and West Banks with Spooky's and Spectres killing anything that moves. Then, once that was done, I would bulldoze the entire god-forsaken land and do something productive with it.

Once that is done, it's time to send the balloon up. Tactical nuclear strikes on both Iran and Iraq. We need to kill at least 250,000 civilians. Let that be a shot across the bow of the rest of the Muslim population not to f**k with the US.

Had to get that out of my system. Kill 'em all and let God sort them out.

De Oppresso Liber

CF

This thread is not about Israeli incopetence(Because the IDF
is definately NOT incompetent), its about their attitude
towards the US.

Its almost as if Israel is doing the US a favour by being friendly,
when it should be vice-versa.

FYI: I'm not a big fan of the arabs. They are DEFINATELY
too fanatical in regards to religion.

De Opresso Liber....LOL Thats the Special Forces
Motto.

I actually hiked with the SAS in their camp in Hereford, Oxfordshire
when I was attending school in the UK.

They are F*cking crazy.........50Km runs with 100lb packs.

Fonz

 

[the nature boy]

I have been somewhat untrue to myself so I will let it rip:

After much time in the Mid-East, watching first-hand what happens, I can honestly say that I am sick and tired of the Palestinians in specific and the Arabs in general. I am a fair-minded, fact-oriented person. Sharon's military tacticals are blunt and brutal becasue they need to be. The Arab mind, as a generalization, is eye-for-eye and the only thing they understand is getting hit across the head with a 2 X 4. It's a damn good thing I am not in charge, becasue if I had my druthers I would be doing loops around the Gaza and West Banks with Spooky's and Spectres killing anything that moves. Then, once that was done, I would bulldoze the entire god-forsaken land and do something productive with it.

Once that is done, it's time to send the balloon up. Tactical nuclear strikes on both Iran and Iraq. We need to kill at least 250,000 civilians. Let that be a shot across the bow of the rest of the Muslim population not to f**k with the US.

Had to get that out of my system. Kill 'em all and let God sort them out.

De Oppresso Liber

CF

shoudn't we nuke ourselves too considering we put saddam in power and gave him the green light to invade kiwait? and shouldn't we nuke ourselves for putting the shah of Iran into power as well, a move which pissed of the very religoius leaders that run that country today since the Shah tried to kill all those folks during his stint??

or maybe my history is wrong and you can correct me.

 

[MrDbol]

clusterfoxtrot,

You seem to know your ABC's about Israel.

One day I will gather up a huge army/navy/air force and wipe Israel off the face of the Earth in one MASSIVE invasion (imagine how many countries will volunteer to help me in the effort (most of Europe, asia, middle east, hell, everybody! and maybe I'll get a dozen or so million Americans to join in ), and paint the Israeli streets with the devil's blood.

If you can give me some advice/inside info. that will help me out, I will appreciate it!

$$$ for you my Jewish friend, but not on Shabbath!

 

[Strong_Man20]

clusterfoxtrot,

You seem to know your ABC's about Israel.

One day I will gather up a huge army/navy/air force and wipe Israel off the face of the Earth in one MASSIVE invasion (imagine how many countries will volunteer to help me in the effort (most of Europe, asia, middle east, hell, everybody! and maybe I'll get a dozen or so million Americans to join in ), and paint the Israeli streets with the devil's blood.

If you can give me some advice/inside info. that will help me out, I will appreciate it!

$$$ for you my Jewish friend, but not on Shabbath!

were do I sign up??

 

[clusterfoxtrot]

I am sure al Qaeda and the Taliban are looking for a few good men. Maybe you could become an Iraqi or Syrian national.

Of those expressing anti-Israel views, especially those that boast "that Israel doesn't care and show contempt for the US and is unnapreciative" - HOW MANY OF YOU HAVE BEEN THERE?

I think to base your opinons on the ever-changing whims of the media - any media - is foolish. It is something one must experience in person and make their own conclusions then.

No international man of mystery here. Just did my time and now do what I do best - integrate digital imaging platforms, communications infrastructures, and satellite systems. Getting ready to move over to the academic side soon.

 

[Ffactor]

Unfortunately this is what it boils down to. People of Jewish descent on this board will support Israel unconditionally, as they should. The rest of us are caught in the middle. We are fueled by the anger of 9/11 but at the same time we have to face facts about why it happened.......

 

[Fonz]

I am sure al Qaeda and the Taliban are looking for a few good men. Maybe you could become an Iraqi or Syrian national.

Of those expressing anti-Israel views, especially those that boast "that Israel doesn't care and show contempt for the US and is unnapreciative" - HOW MANY OF YOU HAVE BEEN THERE?

I think to base your opinons on the ever-changing whims of the media - any media - is foolish. It is something one must experience in person and make their own conclusions then.

No international man of mystery here. Just did my time and now do what I do best - integrate digital imaging platforms, communications infrastructures, and satellite systems. Getting ready to move over to the academic side soon.

You should study your history better......

The Allied Powers didn't just let the Holocaust "happen".

At that perticular time, Hitler had control of Europe, and it
was decided that the only way to help the Jews would
be by ending the war in the most expedient way
necessary.

And that they did.

Also, have you heard about Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia?

Bet you haven't.

Anyways, he and his buddies EXTERMINATED 2 MILLION
people in Cambodia in the 70's and 80's, yet NOTHING
was done about it. NOTHING.

Again, nowadays, the JEW's ARE STILL throwing the Holocaust
into the political Arena.

GET OVER IT. It happenned 50 YEARS AGO, and it is
IMHO used nowadays to INCURR sympathy and
possible political gain.

Its always about us, us , us with the JEWS.

Even in Germany today, police officers have to be SPECIALLY
careful when dealing with a criminal of jewish descent,
fearful of a racist lawsuit.

That is TOO MUCH.


Anyways,

In regards to the situation in the Middle East. Yes, Israel should
defend itself if attacked. Why? because its their bloody
country, thats why. Should it give up some territories? NO,
no, and doubly no. Its their land. It was given to them
by the UN. If the arabs want to attack them, then let them.
My money is on Israel every single time. They are better
trained and better prepared than the arabs will ever be.

Now, if they would stop mentioning the damn Holocaust
every 2-3 months then that'll suit me fine.

Fonz

 

[Prometheus]

thought this fit into the discussion (naturally nothing clinton says can be taken too seriously - the guy would say anything for a buck):
---------------------



BUBBA: I'D FIGHT AND DIE FOR ISRAEL

By ANDY GELLER and RICHARD JOHNSON
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

August 2, 2002 -- Bill Clinton - who avoided serving in Vietnam - says he would take up arms and "fight and die" for Israel if Iraq attacks the Jewish state.

"If Iraq came across the Jordan River, I would grab a rifle and get in the trench and fight and die," the ex-president said to wild applause at a Jewish fund-raiser in Toronto.

Clinton made his bombshell remarks to 350 people who paid $1,000 to break bread with him on Monday night at a dinner for the Toronto Hadassah-WIZO children's charity.

Clinton, who tried but failed to make peace in the Middle East the legacy of his presidency, decried the current cycle of violence in Israel.

"I don't think there is a military solution to this," he said. "But I know there's not a terrorist solution to it."

Clinton also said he disagreed with President Bush that peace can be achieved only when Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat is gone from power.

Nevertheless, he said it is important for the United States to remain involved because "Israelis believe that America is the only big country that cares if they live or die."

The ex-president said the best solution to the Middle East conflict is an interim settlement that would "establish a Palestinian state now."

But he stressed that the creation of such a state must be preceded by security assurances for Israel and a timetable to resolve other issues.

Clinton said Arafat made a "disastrous mistake" by turning down past peace proposals that would have given the Palestinian leader control of 97 percent of the West Bank.

Yet, Clinton said, "There is reason for hope.

"I think this will be resolved on the terms the Palestinians walked away from."

Turning his attention to another conflict, Clinton cited India and Pakistan as countries that must move forward with peace.

"They are a classic example of the tragedy that can result when people become obsessed with holding on to yesterday's grievances," he said.

Clinton couldn't be reached for comment yesterday because he was on a plane to Aspen, Colo., his spokeswoman said.

Clinton, who opposed the Vietnam War, signed up for the ROTC to avoid immediate induction when he received a draft call in 1969.

He later changed his mind about the ROTC and decided to take his chances with the new draft lottery.


NEW YORK POST is a registered trademark of NYP Holdings, Inc. NYPOST.COM, NYPOSTONLINE.COM, and NEWYORKPOST.COM are trademarks of NYP

 

[Ffactor]

Does this mean the US government would support Israel as long as the Jews in this country pay $1000 a plate for political fundraisers.

 

[clusterfoxtrot]

Who mentioned the Holocaust?

 

[Fonz]

Who mentioned the Holocaust?

Doesn't have to be mentioned. Its always lingering in the air to
be used when things don't go their way.

Fonz

 

[Code]

You should study your history better......

The Allied Powers didn't just let the Holocaust "happen".

At that perticular time, Hitler had control of Europe, and it
was decided that the only way to help the Jews would
be by ending the war in the most expedient way
necessary.

And that they did.

Also, have you heard about Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia?

Bet you haven't.

Anyways, he and his buddies EXTERMINATED 2 MILLION
people in Cambodia in the 70's and 80's, yet NOTHING
was done about it. NOTHING.

Again, nowadays, the JEW's ARE STILL throwing the Holocaust
into the political Arena.

GET OVER IT. It happenned 50 YEARS AGO, and it is
IMHO used nowadays to INCURR sympathy and
possible political gain.

Its always about us, us , us with the JEWS.

Even in Germany today, police officers have to be SPECIALLY
careful when dealing with a criminal of jewish descent,
fearful of a racist lawsuit.

That is TOO MUCH.


Anyways,

In regards to the situation in the Middle East. Yes, Israel should
defend itself if attacked. Why? because its their bloody
country, thats why. Should it give up some territories? NO,
no, and doubly no. Its their land. It was given to them
by the UN. If the arabs want to attack them, then let them.
My money is on Israel every single time. They are better
trained and better prepared than the arabs will ever be.

Now, if they would stop mentioning the damn Holocaust
every 2-3 months then that'll suit me fine.

Fonz

We should give the Cambodians Israeli land and Israeli's Cambodian land.

Just do a swap actually.

In fact, let's figure in Rawanda as well.

 

[chesty]

Well, what about the relatives I lost to the Nazi's in their concentration camps? What about the babies and their mothers cooked alive in ovens? What about the experiments on the woman and the children and the men? What about the fact that their remains were sold as commondities on the market?

Anyone in my book who is against Israel is no different than the Nazi's. And as well should be annihlated from existence. I don't need any self righteous bullshit about the poor Palestinians.

If I could I would cull out the bad weed and make sure that those left, woman, children men, would be able to be raised free from the hate they have been taught. But, since that won't happen...

Maybe if Israel went in defeated them and then occupied as we did Germany and Japan, helped them rebuild their country, establish a gov't, things would be different.

But most middle east peoples are too thick headed, so again, we are back to annihlation.

 

[the nature boy]

Anyone in my book who is against Israel is no different than the Nazi's. And as well should be annihlated from existence. I don't need any self righteous bullshit about the poor Palestinians.

so if someone were to criticize isreal they're no different than the NAZI's?????

huh?

 

[chesty]

I did not say criticize, I said was against. There is a big difference.

 

[clusterfoxtrot]

Fonz, for an engineering student, you seem awfully quick to leap to conjecture as opposed to fact ("Doesn't have to be mentioned. Its always lingering in the air to be used when things don't go their way"). No one but you brought it up. I have to assume by your preemptive strike, that you obviously have issues with reparations, or maybe you don't believe it happened at all.

In general, I don't think that because someone is "against" Israel makes them a Nazi. There is a big gap between supporting a country's right to exist, arguing their methods and tactics, and jumping to genocide-murder-torture in a systematic way as the Germans did.

 

[Strong_Man20]

Israel won’t last forever..... That I am certain of, this is an inevitability that the Zionists will face sooner or later. Israel has nothing to offer, as an industrial country and can not stand on its own two feet.

Israel is like a car, without its diesel they receive from America; Israel won’t function no longer.

For now the Arabs are in a long sleep and I don’t have much faith in them for the time being. They have basically allowed the US and Israel to wipe there shit all over the ME and they have kept silent.

IMHO, the Arabs have no one else to blame for there current situation but them selves, however potentially the Arabs are far more stronger than the Zionists and if they change there regimes and brought about some solidarity Israel would be a bad memory.

The problem with the ME, is there’s too much CIA and mossad control and until this is addressed the ME is staying down. But I am not going to make any excuses for them, until they wake up and do something about it, its not gonna get any better.

 

[Strong_Man20]

Well, what about the relatives I lost to the Nazi's in their concentration camps?

MMM. .... Your Jewish? that explains your bias...

But most middle east peoples are too thick headed, so again, we are back to annihlation.

And you are calling people like me a Nazi???

 

[clusterfoxtrot]

I don't think the fact that Chesty is Jewish or lost relatives in a concentration camp would make him "biased." Of course he would be - what if he started harping on the fact that you're a wanker.

Shit, if it wasn't for the good old USA you all would be eating sauerbrauten about now.

Maybe we should rag on the C of E or the Protestants?

I don't know how much time you have spent in the Mid-East, but it is a shit hole. The only country that is modernized is Israel, Saudi, UAE, Kuwait, and maybe Qatar. The difference is, in Israel women have rights, can vote, can own property, and the have a Parliamentary Democracy. All of the other countries are monarchies whose power is in the sole control of the oil families.

 

[Strong_Man20]

what if he started harping on the fact that you're a wanker.

SO.....WHO FUCKING ROCKED YOUR CAGE??

Anyway I am not going to argue with you about the fact that the Arabs have let there country slide down hill since the last 80 years.

They have really fucked up, no doubt. But are they going to remain this way forever?? That’s doubtful

What really amuses me about people like your self is your arrogance; which is also going to be Israel’s downfall. You think if you continue oppressing and committing genocide against the Palestinians that your solution is over?? Go ahead kill every Palestinian in Palestine, what have you solved?? There will still be another 250 million Arabs to go, itching to kick some heeb ass back to Eastern Europe.

What amazes me the most is that people like your self have forgotten your place in this world, forgotten the fact that without Americas support you would not have anything to stand on.

Sure things cannot be any better for Israel right now, but she will never have any security or stability because no one in the damn ME, looks at it as a legitimate state. Sure you got puppet leaders like king Abdullah and mubarak that bow down to the US and Israel; but having a slave regime in the ME does not mean you have good relations with them. Just remember that next time you go kill some Palestinian kid

Later

 

[Fonz]

I don't think the fact that Chesty is Jewish or lost relatives in a concentration camp would make him "biased." Of course he would be - what if he started harping on the fact that you're a wanker.

Shit, if it wasn't for the good old USA you all would be eating sauerbrauten about now.

Maybe we should rag on the C of E or the Protestants?

I don't know how much time you have spent in the Mid-East, but it is a shit hole. The only country that is modernized is Israel, Saudi, UAE, Kuwait, and maybe Qatar. The difference is, in Israel women have rights, can vote, can own property, and the have a Parliamentary Democracy. All of the other countries are monarchies whose power is in the sole control of the oil families.

You forgot Bahrain. The Las Vegas of the ME.

And Chesty....please.... that was a pathetic discourse. None
of us are against Israel, we are in fact IN FAVOUR.

The point we are trying to make(Me anyways), is that they
AREN'T GOING TO GET ANYWHERE BY ALWAYS FOCUSING
ON THE PAST.

Is that bloody clear enough for you?

Good.

Fonz

 

[chesty]

I hold the same opinion for those who are against America.

 

[clusterfoxtrot]

Yeah, the Israeli's are the ones planning, plotting, and executing "genocide":

Aug. 2, 2002
Hamas planned mass cyanide attack
By ITIM NEWS AGENCY


The head of the military wing of Hamas in Tulkarm, Abas el-Sayyad, planned to use cyanide to carry out of a mass terrorist attack inside Israel, according to an indictment submitted against him yesterday in Tel Aviv District Court.

Sayyad was allegedly also behind the suicide bombing attack at the Park Hotel in Netanya on Seder night, March 29, in which 29 people were killed and 160 wounded, and the bombing outside the Netanya mall on May 18, when five people were killed and 86 wounded.

According to the charge sheet, Sayyad planned to send two suicide bombers out on the night of the Seder, but one of them, Nidal Klak, was sick.

The other one, Abdul Oudeh, carried a 10 kilogram bomb that included metal pellets and iron rods cut into small pieces.

Oudeh and his driver, Fathi Hatib, first drove to Herzliya and Tel Aviv in search of a target. Oudeh then said he knew Netanya well and the two went there. Oudeh was dressed as a woman and wore a leather coat.

In the mall explosion, Mahmoud Marmash blew himself up at the entrance.

In February 2002, Sayyad allegedly ordered Tarek Zaidan to give him a bottle of cyanide, and said he planned to use it to carry out a mass murder attack inside Israel.

Sayyad is also charged with maintaining contacts with the Hamas leadership in Syria and receiving tens of thousands of dollars from the Hamas leadership in Syria to purchase large amounts of guns and ammunition.

 

[clusterfoxtrot]

Fonz, Strong, and crew...let me ask you this:

Do you or don't you support the US' actions in Afghanistan? A simple "yes" or "no" will do.

 

[Strong_Man20]

Yeah, the Israeli's are the ones planning, plotting, and executing "genocide":

Aug. 2, 2002
Hamas planned mass cyanide attack
By ITIM NEWS AGENCY


The head of the military wing of Hamas in Tulkarm, Abas el-Sayyad, planned to use cyanide to carry out of a mass terrorist attack inside Israel, according to an indictment submitted against him yesterday in Tel Aviv District Court.

Sayyad was allegedly also behind the suicide bombing attack at the Park Hotel in Netanya on Seder night, March 29, in which 29 people were killed and 160 wounded, and the bombing outside the Netanya mall on May 18, when five people were killed and 86 wounded.

According to the charge sheet, Sayyad planned to send two suicide bombers out on the night of the Seder, but one of them, Nidal Klak, was sick.

The other one, Abdul Oudeh, carried a 10 kilogram bomb that included metal pellets and iron rods cut into small pieces.

Oudeh and his driver, Fathi Hatib, first drove to Herzliya and Tel Aviv in search of a target. Oudeh then said he knew Netanya well and the two went there. Oudeh was dressed as a woman and wore a leather coat.

In the mall explosion, Mahmoud Marmash blew himself up at the entrance.

In February 2002, Sayyad allegedly ordered Tarek Zaidan to give him a bottle of cyanide, and said he planned to use it to carry out a mass murder attack inside Israel.

Sayyad is also charged with maintaining contacts with the Hamas leadership in Syria and receiving tens of thousands of dollars from the Hamas leadership in Syria to purchase large amounts of guns and ammunition.

What the hell is that trying to prove??? You expect people like my self to give sympathy?? Your oppressing and killing them, what the hell do you expect? Like I said before, if the Palestinians are expected to negotiate under occupation then the Israelis should also negotiate under resistance from that occupation.

BTW You forgot to mention about the 8 year old Palestinian kid the Israeli settlers intentionally killed the other day...Now that is fucking sick..

 

[Prometheus]

What about the fact that their remains were sold as commondities on the market?

WHAT?!? what in hell are you talking about? what remains were sold - you can't mean body parts? to whom? on what market?

 

[clusterfoxtrot]

Nice dodge...do you or don't you support US actions in Afghanistan?

 

[clusterfoxtrot]

You forgot to mention the 2 old guys that were dragged out of their truck and beaten to death too the other day, in Chicago. Maybe we should turn the argument to blacks. You have to discount vigilanteism in the equation.

My hunch is that some of you are form arabic decent, which explains the strong anti-Israel sentiment. From the sounds of things, none of you have ever been there, interacted with the people, and see nthings first hand.

Comments like : "BTW You forgot to mention about the 8 year old Palestinian kid the Israeli settlers intentionally killed the other day...Now that is fucking sick.." Are entirley baseless and subjective. Yeah, he was probably whacked when they fired a missle on the leader of the Paramilitary Section of Hamas. He knew he was a target and he intentionally put himself in the middle of his family. THAT IS SICK.

Guys what guys...this is a war. This is not genocide - Rwanda, Pot Pot regime, Holocaust - that was genocide. THis is a low-intensity conflict, which requires countless mop-up and offensive activities.

As I said, if you are so opposed to it, go join Hamas or the Martyrs Brigade - show you have the balls to stand up for it. I did it for the US and Israel. Now it's your turn. Or, maybe its nice and comfortable to sit their from your dorm rooms, with your parents paying your way, AND HYPOTHESIZE ABOUT SHIT YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT OTHER THAT WHAT YOU GLEAN FROM LEFTIST AND ARABIC publications.

CF

 

[Fonz]

You forgot to mention the 2 old guys that were dragged out of their truck and beaten to death too the other day, in Chicago. Maybe we should turn the argument to blacks. You have to discount vigilanteism in the equation.

My hunch is that some of you are form arabic decent, which explains the strong anti-Israel sentiment. From the sounds of things, none of you have ever been there, interacted with the people, and see nthings first hand.

Comments like : "BTW You forgot to mention about the 8 year old Palestinian kid the Israeli settlers intentionally killed the other day...Now that is fucking sick.." Are entirley baseless and subjective. Yeah, he was probably whacked when they fired a missle on the leader of the Paramilitary Section of Hamas. He knew he was a target and he intentionally put himself in the middle of his family. THAT IS SICK.

Guys what guys...this is a war. This is not genocide - Rwanda, Pot Pot regime, Holocaust - that was genocide. THis is a low-intensity conflict, which requires countless mop-up and offensive activities.

As I said, if you are so opposed to it, go join Hamas or the Martyrs Brigade - show you have the balls to stand up for it. I did it for the US and Israel. Now it's your turn. Or, maybe its nice and comfortable to sit their from your dorm rooms, with your parents paying your way, AND HYPOTHESIZE ABOUT SHIT YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT OTHER THAT WHAT YOU GLEAN FROM LEFTIST AND ARABIC publications.

CF

Sorry Pal but I'm from Spain.

Ever heard of ETA?

I've lived with terrorism my whole life. Its nothing new, so
don't even try that "You have to experience it to
understand" tack.

Give me a break. The ME doesn't have a monopoly on
terrorism.

Fonz

 

[chesty]

Well, answer the question.

Yes, the Nazis sold there body parts in the form of soap/shampoo, used their bones for ingredients in items, used the fillings in there teeth, used their hair, and so on.

If the Israeli's are oppressing the Palestinians, then why is it they allow them to vote? (the only country that does) Why is it they allow them to work in Israel? If they are so oppressive, why then, does Israel not just go in and wipe out the Palestinians? And don't give me no crap about the US is holding them back. They don't really give a shit about what we think, and will do what they feel is best for their survival.

I find the suicide mentality quite nutso in the first place. It kinda limits your ability for repeat action.

 

[clusterfoxtrot]

Well it's evident that we aren't going to get a straight answer rearding their support for the US' actions in Afghanistan. What the US is doing is no different than what Israel is doing.

As far as the ETA (Euskadi Ta Askatasuna) goes, they first, have deep ties to Marxism principles (ie Communism) and secondly primarily target political targets. As a general rule of thumb, they do not randomly deploy suicide bombings, they do not intentionally target civilians, and they are not raising a culture and indoctrination process which glorifies the death of civilians, indiferrernt to age or gender.

Their specific attacks have been on political or sovereign targets, not schools, buses, children, etc. I am sure there have been innocent bystanders, but in their eyes, that is the price they have to pay.

You are also talking about a country (Spain) which is 504K sq. kilometers vs. Israel which is 20K sq. kilometers. That additional 25X additional space provides for quite a bit of breathing room.

The ETA also has deep ties to other countries which support terrorist operations including Yemen, Libya, and a few others.

Terrorism is terrorism no matter how you slice it. If you want the problem solved, Spain should hire the Israelis to come in and do the job right!

 

[Fonz]

Well it's evident that we aren't going to get a straight answer rearding their support for the US' actions in Afghanistan. What the US is doing is no different than what Israel is doing.

As far as the ETA (Euskadi Ta Askatasuna) goes, they first, have deep ties to Marxism principles (ie Communism) and secondly primarily target political targets. As a general rule of thumb, they do not randomly deploy suicide bombings, they do not intentionally target civilians, and they are not raising a culture and indoctrination process which glorifies the death of civilians, indiferrernt to age or gender.

Their specific attacks have been on political or sovereign targets, not schools, buses, children, etc. I am sure there have been innocent bystanders, but in their eyes, that is the price they have to pay.

You are also talking about a country (Spain) which is 504K sq. kilometers vs. Israel which is 20K sq. kilometers. That additional 25X additional space provides for quite a bit of breathing room.

The ETA also has deep ties to other countries which support terrorist operations including Yemen, Libya, and a few others.

Terrorism is terrorism no matter how you slice it. If you want the problem solved, Spain should hire the Israelis to come in and do the job right!

Hire the Israeli's?

Yeah right. I'd rather hire Donald Duck for our Spec-Ops.

By the way, the last time ETA got rowdy and decided to kill
some cicilians instead of legitimate political targets some
members just vanished........to be found dead later.

ETA got the message from the Govt.. Don't mess with civilians or you'll simply dissapear.

I don't see the arabs giving a hoot wether they kill civilian targets
do you?

Thats because the Israeli Govt. is SHIT, SHIT, SHIT when it
comes to delivering subtle messages.

Instead of using surgical attacks, they use BRUTE force.

Look at the last one. They killed what? 60 people? Just to get just ONE, yes ONE guy...LOL They suck.

Fonz

 

[clusterfoxtrot]

The Arabs don't understand subtle messages. If you are talking about the rocket attack on the top Hamas military leader, the bodycount was 14, I believe not 60. The only reason it was that high was that he chose at the last minute to put himself in the middle of his family, knowing he was a target.

Did the disappearance of the ETA members stop the violence? Or is it just going to return again? I don't claim to know a lot about the Basque separatists, but becasue they are politically motivated and not religiously motivated, they are likely to be far more rational.

The PA movement is beyond fanatical - they are zealots. They brainwash their children, they threaten their own people, the trick them into suicide operations. They don't care. The Basque are seeking their own independent state. The Palestinians are seeking the elimination of another legitimate country.

If Spain offered the Basques their own land, would they take it? Probably. The PA was offered their own sovereign land under Barak, on their own specified terms. Did they take it? No, becasue it would mean an assumed end to the violence. They don't want their own land and rule - they seek to eliminate Israel. Entirely different concept.

The Arabs are dense, dense, dense. If Israel's tactics didn't work, then why did several Hamas members turn themselves over to the IDF recently becasue they feared reprisals on their families? The tactics do work.

Hopefully, the death of the 4 Americans will not be in vain. Now, maybe the US will finally realize the tactics necessary to elminate this specific type of terrorism.

 

[chesty]

I sure hope Bush pulls his head out of his ass and starts using our military more and send the message, you mess with America you die. Unfortunately, I think all that beer in his day has finally shrunk his nuts. Not to mention it is election time.

I hope the Israelis smack the shit out of Palestine and soon.

 

[Strong_Man20]

Nice dodge...do you or don't you support US actions in Afghanistan?

NO,

The only reason why America are in Afghanistan is for oil and its strategic purposes. The same reason why there is still US presence in the gulf.

We will still be hearing about Al'qaeda and Bin laden's son, son for the next 50 years if America have the oppurtunity to stay that long.

 

[DeezGunz]

We have to ship all of these rag heads out of the United States and put them in camps like we did to the japs back in WW2. Protect this country before worrying about offending other countries. What we should do is let Israel whipe out every Arab country over there, Israels army is the fourth largest in the world and 8X stronger then every Arab country put together. You people think Israel needs Americas money? Israel is capable of taking over any of those 3rd world countries at the drop of a hat. Hell, half the reason you morons have jobs is because of the Jews putting your ass to work. You ever notice how the Jews are the most hated people, yet they still manage to clime to the top at your Job? And they dont have affirmative action working in there favor.

 

[clusterfoxtrot]

You don't think the fact that we are in Afghanistan has anything to do with Sep 11? Afghanistan doesn't even rank in the list of the top 30 oil producing countries in the world.

 

[manny78]

The day someone will explain me why do the US support so badly Israel I'll probably be the happiest man in the world. Damn Canad doesnt and we still live happy.....

 

[clusterfoxtrot]

SM20 - As an additional thought, go ask your grandparents or someone older than 75 about WWII. Ask them where the UK would be if the US didn't step in and save it. Ask them about how we lost men trying to keep the shipping lanes open and safe from U-boats, even before we entered the war. My mother in law lived through the bombings in London - so I have heard all the stories first hand.

The Brits were quite happy to have us at their side in their time of need, just as Israel is happy to have us at their side during these times - albeit a bit touch and go

 

[clusterfoxtrot]

Manny...it will probably happen sometime around the same time your grammar and syntax improves. Besides, what the hell is Canada going to bring to the table, water?

 

[manny78]

Manny...it will probably happen sometime around the same time your grammar and syntax improves. Besides, what the hell is Canada going to bring to the table, water?

Why are you so pissed off ? Daddy was a kapo back in the days ? Ya know the joke about jews and Pizzas ? lol Just kidding Miss Piggy.....

Also with such attitude then you're wondering why some people were laughing at you during the 9/11 ?

 

[manny78]

Hire the Israeli's?

Yeah right. I'd rather hire Donald Duck for our Spec-Ops.

By the way, the last time ETA got rowdy and decided to kill
some cicilians instead of legitimate political targets some
members just vanished........to be found dead later.

ETA got the message from the Govt.. Don't mess with civilians or you'll simply dissapear.

I don't see the arabs giving a hoot wether they kill civilian targets
do you?

Thats because the Israeli Govt. is SHIT, SHIT, SHIT when it
comes to delivering subtle messages.

Instead of using surgical attacks, they use BRUTE force.

Look at the last one. They killed what? 60 people? Just to get just ONE, yes ONE guy...LOL They suck.

Fonz

We had the answer to our problems in the 80's: the GAL. Unfortunately our national dumbass Aznar didnt see things as the rest of us. ETA was even scared and had to send most of their HQ in Marseille and ALger.

 

[Fonz]

We had the answer to our problems in the 80's: the GAL. Unfortunately our national dumbass Aznar didnt see things as the rest of us. ETA was even scared and had to send most of their HQ in Marseille and ALger.

So true. Half the country was cheering los "GAL" on.

Fonz

 

[Stumpy (The Fucking dumbass Piece of Shit!)]

Anyway I am not going to argue with you about the fact that the Arabs have let there country slide down hill since the last 80 years.

What specific country are you talking about? Are you implying that the Arab world is one "country"?

 

[Strong_Man20]

What specific country are you talking about? Are you implying that the Arab world is one "country"?

Im talking about the whole middle east, I meant "country's".

 

[Strong_Man20]

You don't think the fact that we are in Afghanistan has anything to do with Sep 11? Afghanistan doesn't even rank in the list of the top 30 oil producing countries in the world.

There is also US military presence in Kazakhstan, supposedly to fight against Al'qaeda. Which is one of the top oil producing countries in the world, so you go figure.

 

[manny78]

There is also US military presence in Kazakhstan, supposedly to fight against Al'qaeda. Which is one of the top oil producing countries in the world, so you go figure.

WHat about the future Pipeline in Afghanistan ?

 

[Strong_Man20]

WHat about the future Pipeline in Afghanistan ?

exactly!!

 

[2Thick]

What specific country are you talking about? Are you implying that the Arab world is one "country"?

LOL, stump...

 

[Stumpy (The Fucking dumbass Piece of Shit!)]

Im talking about the whole middle east, I meant "country's".

Are you saying that all of the Middle East is Arab? Are you sure about that?

 

[2Thick]

Are you saying that all of the Middle East is Arab? Are you sure about that?

I second that question...think carefully.

 

[Stumpy (The Fucking dumbass Piece of Shit!)]

LOL, stump...

 

[chesty]

The middle east is not comprised of just Arabs, but a mixture of several different ethnicities. Just the other day and Arab jew was killed by hamas. These dorks don't care who they kill as long as they can kill.

Hopefully we go somewhere with this war. I hope bush boy pulls his cerveso out of his ass and gives us a clear cut goal. Not like um, well we are fighting evil. Like, let's say, since, x country harbors and aids terrorists, we are going to invade it, take it over and rebuild it in our image. Maybe a bit wild, but at least it is a concrete goal.

 

[Strong_Man20]

Are you saying that all of the Middle East is Arab? Are you sure about that?

Stumpy you are correct, I meant most.

 

[chesty]

Actually, it was quite talked about, and I believe the Israeli gov't denounced the act and the US will punish them serverly. And it was an act by a renegade group of people, not an officially supported group like Hamas or others.

 

[Stumpy (The Fucking dumbass Piece of Shit!)]

Stumpy you are correct, I meant most.

Besides Israel, are there any other non-Arab countries in the Middle East?

 

[Prometheus]

Yes, the Nazis sold there body parts in the form of soap/shampoo, used their bones for ingredients in items, used the fillings in there teeth, used their hair, and so on.

that's absurd.

 

[Ffactor]

My hunch is that some of you are form arabic decent, which explains the strong anti-Israel sentiment. From the sounds of things, none of you have ever been there, interacted with the people, and see nthings first hand........CLUSTERFOXTROT.

You have got to be kidding!!!!!!!! What country are you living in?? People seem to forget that not too long ago we used to lynch blacks and jews!!!!! Do you honestly think one has to be of Arab descent to be anti-israel!!!!

I'm just waiting for someone to post that I am in favour of lynching!!!!! DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT IT!!!!!!!

Strongman 20, you are absolutely correct. Israel forgets that without America they would be nothing. They are getting to be too arrogant. That will be their downfall.

Personally, I think we are merely using Israel as an extended army base to protect our oil interests.

Supernav .... I agree.

 

[chesty]

It happened, go read up on your history. It is amazing the things we can do to our own race. They did experiments such as breaking a kids leg until it would heal no more, just to see how often it could be broken.

They would take new mothers that had just given birth, tape there nipples so the infant could not feed, to see how long the child would live.

They would put conscious, children and woman into crematory type ovens and burn them alive.

They would gas whole groups using carbon monoxide or cyanide, they would shoot whole families dead with machine guns then walk into the mass graves and shoot any one who moved or made a noise in the head, and on and on and on...

 

[Ffactor]

Supernav - We are on the same page. Find out the names of those who are players in the media. I think you'll understand why we get selective information.....but then again, I think you know this already.

 

[Stumpy (The Fucking dumbass Piece of Shit!)]

It is amazing the things we can do to our own race.

I don't understand that statement. What/who are you talking about?

 

[Ffactor]

Now I am really confused. I though Jews were racially more similar to arabs. Jews look totally different from Western Europeans. Same race??? This argument is not about race. Be proud of who you are. Don't try to associate yourself with WASPS.......I'm sure that was not your intention.

 

[Stumpy (The Fucking dumbass Piece of Shit!)]

Using words like camnel humpers. kikes, towel heads and so on makes us feel more powerful or in some way more patriotic....including myself.

Huh?

 

[chesty]

Oh for christ's sake, I am talking about the human race. Wake up and smell the coffee.

 

[Prometheus]

Be proud of who you are.

depending on situation, race, and/or socioeconomic conditions - doing that may constitute a hatecrime.

 

[Ffactor]

We get off on stuff like that!!! We are very inventive don't you think? Camel Jockeys, Towel Heads, Mud People, Gooks.....and the list goes on. Who invented these words. We did. Why?? Because we love using words like that. Makes us feel superior. These words are used almost exclusively in AMERICAN culture. Don't tell me you don't feel a sense of American pride while using them.

Just being sarcastic.

 

[Stumpy (The Fucking dumbass Piece of Shit!)]

Oh for christ's sake, I am talking about the human race. Wake up and smell the coffee.

I must have misread that sentence.

 

[chesty]

No problem. Sorry for being sarcastic

 

[Ffactor]

Chesty - Excellent point.

 

[2Thick]

Besides Israel, are there any other non-Arab countries in the Middle East?

Me, me...pick me!!!!!!

 

[Stumpy (The Fucking dumbass Piece of Shit!)]

Me, me...pick me!!!!!!

I cho-cho-choose you.

What's the answer?

 

[dballer]

It happened, go read up on your history. It is amazing the things we can do to our own race. They did experiments such as breaking a kids leg until it would heal no more, just to see how often it could be broken.

They would take new mothers that had just given birth, tape there nipples so the infant could not feed, to see how long the child would live.

They would put conscious, children and woman into crematory type ovens and burn them alive.

They would gas whole groups using carbon monoxide or cyanide, they would shoot whole families dead with machine guns then walk into the mass graves and shoot any one who moved or made a noise in the head, and on and on and on...

Alot of those stories are bullshit. They were invented to help us hate the Germans more. My grandfather was a medic over there. He was sent in to rescue these victims. He told me alot of the shit they (teachers, new aged historians) are making up is pretty far fetched.

 

[Strong_Man20]

Besides Israel, are there any other non-Arab countries in the Middle East?

Turkey and Iran. Why do you ask??

 

[chesty]

I think your grandfather doesn't have a full deck of cards upstairs. I know it happened, because I have met the people it happened to. I lost relatives in those camps, and have read some of the reports and testomonies of those involved. It isn't bullshit. What is is the new agers trying to rewrite history to show that it never happened. That is what is bullshit.

 

[dballer]

Oh he has a full deck upstairs. He did not say that people were not killed. He just said that some of the accusations made after the fact are false. I believe him.

on another note... check out the book called "Bias" I think you will like it. Written by Bernard Goldberg... I think..

There is another one called "Hell To Pay" by Barbra Olsen... all about Hillary... you will really like this one.

 

[Fonz]

Alot of those stories are bullshit. They were invented to help us hate the Germans more. My grandfather was a medic over there. He was sent in to rescue these victims. He told me alot of the shit they (teachers, new aged historians) are making up is pretty far fetched.

See dballer, what chesty's misguided intellect has forgotten
to convey to him is that history is unfortunately always written by the victors in a perticular conflict.

Fonz

 

[clusterfoxtrot]

Sorry for being conspicuously absent...on business travel this week.

First, all of the stories of using body parts from Jews, Poles, etc. are absolutely true - right down to using human skin as lampshades. To say that none of this ever happened is ridiculous. If it's one thing the Germans did well, it was keeping records of everything, including all of the experiments and activities. Much to the detriment, pain, and suffering at the hands of the Nazis, some of the experiments (few) produced valuable medical data, unobtainable in other ways.

Turkey and Iran are both Muslim countries - what constitutes Arabic - I am not really sure.

FF - To say the Jews look totally different from Western Europeans is one of the stupidest statements I have heard in a long time. Take a look at my photo. Do I look "Jewish?" Hell, most Jews don't even think I am Jewish. There are black (Ethiopean) Jews, Spanish Jews, European, Hispanic, etc.

 

[manny78]

Then if Jews dont look different how would German make the difference ? There's a slight difference, same thing with arabs.