another idiot athlete caught with a gun.....

[redsamurai]

This time trying to go through airport customs with a loaded .45 in his bag. Really? Seriously? And fuck of course it has to be an integral part of my clevland browns D line.

Cleveland Browns Pro Bowl DL Shaun Rogers arrested with loaded gun - NFL News - FOX Sports on MSN


I mean fuck, customs of all places......like the last place in the country save anywhere near the secret service, that you would want to be sporting a loaded weapon on your persons. Retarded does not do this justice unless there's more to this story. But you know there's not....he just forgot to take it out of his bag most likely, unreal. And this one isn't going to brushed aside...not at the airport. This one might go down worse than Plaxico.

 

[Dial_tone]

Why You Shouldn't Give an 8-Year-Old An Uzi - Guns - Gawker

 

[OMEGA]

you never know

sometimes those guys get threats ,
threats of extortion, or just old ghetto ties that are jealous or crazy chicks

you just never know

maybe the gun was planted too?

 

[redshirt27se]

I really doubt this was an accident. Sounds a lot more like stupidity..

 

[redshirt27se]

you never know

sometimes those guys get threats ,
threats of extortion, or just old ghetto ties that are jealous or crazy chicks

you just never know

maybe the gun was planted too?

that shit happens all the time, but it doesn't justify carrying a loaded firearm into an airport.


if he really needed a heater, he could've arranged for one where he was going.

 

[chewyxrage]

He lives in Texas. He's used to carry around a gun legally.

Probably was stupid mistake. He probably brought it through checked and then heading back home, completely fucked up and forgot it was in his bag.

Wow.

 

[lander2312]

OF all the thing you have to be to get into the NFL....smart is def not one of them...

 

[PICK3]

look at me! I'm a millionaire athlete ... I don't have to follow the laws of mere mortals.

 

[Captain FT]

Rogers is a beast too, his beard alone should scare off enough fools to not even warrant carrying a gun around, wtf.

Cleveland's D just went in the shitter even more (if that was possible)

 

[Saintinistic]

having a gun is one thing, but loaded as you go through customs? that's dumb

 

[chewyxrage]

OF all the thing you have to be to get into the NFL....smart is def not one of them...

bullshit dude

you ever played organized football?

It's complicated as hell, you don't just put your nose down, grunt, and fuck shit up.

Football was one of the most complicated (and most emotional) sports I ever played. And I played 'em all.

 

[nimbus]

This time trying to go through airport customs with a loaded .45 in his bag. Really? Seriously? And fuck of course it has to be an integral part of my clevland browns D line.

Cleveland Browns Pro Bowl DL Shaun Rogers arrested with loaded gun - NFL News - FOX Sports on MSN


I mean fuck, customs of all places......like the last place in the country save anywhere near the secret service, that you would want to be sporting a loaded weapon on your persons. Retarded does not do this justice unless there's more to this story. But you know there's not....he just forgot to take it out of his bag most likely, unreal. And this one isn't going to brushed aside...not at the airport. This one might go down worse than Plaxico.

lol @ how worked up you are

 

[Captain FT]

bullshit dude

you ever played organized football?

It's complicated as hell, you don't just put your nose down, grunt, and fuck shit up.

Football was one of the most complicated (and most emotional) sports I ever played. And I played 'em all.

You didn't try ice hockey I bet? Talk about complicated. The first thing we do as kids is learn to walk, then run, then you can play sports. Learning to skate is a whole other mode of transportation, then hand eye coordination to keep a puck on your stick. I played since I was 5yrs old and it took a good 7 years to get really good at it. I hung up the skates at age 23 though.

Not saying football isn't complicated, but ice hockey is a whole other level of complicated.

Anyway, who brings a loaded gun through a terminal...idiot

 

[chewyxrage]

You didn't try ice hockey I bet? Talk about complicated. The first thing we do as kids is learn to walk, then run, then you can play sports. Learning to skate is a whole other mode of transportation, then hand eye coordination to keep a puck on your stick. I played since I was 5yrs old and it took a good 7 years to get really good at it. I hung up the skates at age 23 though.

Not saying football isn't complicated, but ice hockey is a whole other level of complicated.

Anyway, who brings a loaded gun through a terminal...idiot

Heh, no, I played in an organized roller hockey league (lame I know) it was still fun as hell. I was about 13.

But I liken that league to 5 graders standing a circle throwing the puck at each other

 

[binö]

Rogers is a beast too, his beard alone should scare off enough fools to not even warrant carrying a gun around, wtf.

Cleveland's D just went in the shitter even more (if that was possible)

hell yea he is a beast...and i like the dude, he's not really a thug, just a dumbass

 

[redsamurai]

lol @ how worked up you are

He was the anchor of our 3-4 defense. We mineswell try to trade up for mccoy or suh now.

 

[redsamurai]

Cleveland's D just went in the shitter even more (if that was possible)

agree and disagree. Before we traded wimbley and than this.....our defense was looking real promising. That Roth kid we got from Miami is a "STUD". He's Mike Vrabel only way stronger and way faster......6'4 275, he could be a down lineman but he's fast enough to play LB. Him and Wimbley on the edges and Fujita, who we got from NO, in the middle....plus some real talented young guys who may pan out pretty well, our LB'ing corp was looking fantastic. But we lost alot of depth at D line already, THIS is a disaster. The NT in a 3-4 may have the most important position on the field.

 

[orange2]

the guy has a concealed weapon permit, has for years. S

 

[redshirt27se]

the guy has a concealed weapon permit, has for years. S

In Michigan.


CCW permits are state to state, and having one in state A doesn't equate to one in state B.


either way, bringing loaded weapons on to a plane is still way illegal.

 

[kx250rider]

My wife has carried a loaded handgun onto two flights accidentally. The security is a joke. She forgot it was in her carry-on, and it passed right through the X-ray no problem, and she never knew it until she got where she was going.

But to put all this in perspective, if everybody else on the 9/11 flights had guns, there would have been dead terrorists, and perhaps a dead bystander or two. But no crashed planes and not two fallen buildings and 1000s of dead people.

I have no idea why this guy carried his gun knowingly (if that's the deal), but he just threw out his ability to hold a handgun license in Texas, and is in big trouble. I have a lousy memory, and sometimes I'll find myself walking around with a Walther .380 in my pocket because I forgot I was going somewhere. Thankfully I've never carried a gun into a place that would cause big trouble. But I did accidentally carry a knife into a California State Prison. That was interesting to explain to the officer at the visiting desk. I didn't get in trouble because I 'fessed up and let them hold it until I was leaving.

It's perfectly legal to fly with a gun. All you need to do (last time I read the rules) is to declare it at the baggage check, and they put a special tag on your luggage. But you better declare it, and read the most current laws & rules THE SAME DAY that you fly with a gun, or you might get in a world of trouble!!!!!

Charles

 

[redsamurai]

But to put all this in perspective, if everybody else on the 9/11 flights had guns, there would have been dead terrorists, and perhaps a dead bystander or two. But no crashed planes and not two fallen buildings and 1000s of dead people.

I'll give you that the plane may not have made it to NY, but then again if all the passengers had guns than all the terrorists could potentially have had guns and the ensuing shootout would depressurize the cabin and who knows, a piece of the hull may have come off the plane like that Hawaiin flight from a few years back. Guns on planes is a terrible fucking idea. If a terrorist got up in my flight I'd rather spear tackle the dude than have some american cowboy monkey thinkin he's eastwood light up the cabin with small arms fire. It's been proven that the aim of trained proffessional police officers becomes "sketchy" in high tense situations......so I do not want some assfuck who lives every day of his life dreaming of being able to justifiably shoot someone depressurizing my flight at 25000 feet.

It's perfectly legal to fly with a gun.

you mean in checked baggage right? cause I'm pretty sure that walking onto a plane with a loaded gun on you has been pretty much illegal since ole DB Cooper took the money and run from those flights...lol Hell, probably before then.

 

[digimon7068]

Guns on planes is a terrible fucking idea. If a terrorist got up in my flight I'd rather spear tackle the dude than have some american cowboy monkey thinkin he's eastwood light up the cabin with small arms fire. It's been proven that the aim of trained proffessional police officers becomes "sketchy" in high tense situations......so I do not want some assfuck who lives every day of his life dreaming of being able to justifiably shoot someone depressurizing my flight at 25000 feet.

i know a number of people that work for the federal govt and are (as part of their job description) trained in firearms and carry one on the job. . .they carry them on planes whereever they fly, for work or otherwise, and they get to fly for free everywhere they go. . .when they are on a plane, they're an air marshall.

also, one of my clients makes bullets for (among other things) this purpose. . .the bullets are a pressed, powdered metal product that virtually disintegrates after it has entered the target and done it's job, leaving nothing heavy enough to pierce a fuselage (or what-have-you) upon exit. . .and errant rounds are not dense (correct term??) enough to blow a hole in the plane. . .they just disintegrate into dust.

 

[redshirt27se]

also.. most planes are able to take a few bullet holes without depressurizing the cabin. now a full on gun fight might be different.


i can't remember what the program was, but i watched something on it, and apparently there are some fail safes that make it so a small hole (bullet sized) would not completely fuck up the plane.

 

[kx250rider]

you mean in checked baggage right? cause I'm pretty sure that walking onto a plane with a loaded gun on you has been pretty much illegal since ole DB Cooper took the money and run from those flights...lol Hell, probably before then.

Definitely in checked baggage only. As far as I know, not even a police officer can take a weapon on a carry-on unless they're assigned as an air marshal on the flight. But if my wife did it on two flights, I can only imagine how many people get small arms past security on a daily basis; either by accident or deliberately.

And I'll go along with the theory that the structure of the plane could be damaged by a shoot-out, but as far as private citizens who have concealed carry permits, the marksmanship and training is nearly the same as for the police. I think it's still an excellent idea to allow any CCW-holding passengers to carry a gun on the plane, and certainly the captain should be required to. CCW licensees have demonstrated perfect discipline in handling their guns, and would not just draw and start plugging the plane full of holes in wild abandon. 4 or 5 of them would skillfully draw and take out the hijacker.


Charles

 

[binö]

Definitely in checked baggage only. As far as I know, not even a police officer can take a weapon on a carry-on unless they're assigned as an air marshal on the flight. But if my wife did it on two flights, I can only imagine how many people get small arms past security on a daily basis; either by accident or deliberately.

And I'll go along with the theory that the structure of the plane could be damaged by a shoot-out, but as far as private citizens who have concealed carry permits, the marksmanship and training is nearly the same as for the police. I think it's still an excellent idea to allow any CCW-holding passengers to carry a gun on the plane, and certainly the captain should be required to. CCW licensees have demonstrated perfect discipline in handling their guns, and would not just draw and start plugging the plane full of holes in wild abandon. 4 or 5 of them would skillfully draw and take out the hijacker.


Charles

my uncle was a bureau bro, and he got to take his .38 on commercial flights i thought it was so badass when i was kid.
unless this has changed now

 

[Whiskey]

hell yea he is a beast...and i like the dude, he's not really a thug, just a dumbass

hahahhahhahha, well said!

Whiskey

 

[redsamurai]

I didn't know about those kinds of bullets. Still wouldn't want to be in a plane 25k feet in the air testing their efficacy out, but it's a damn good idea nevertheless.

i know a number of people that work for the federal govt and are (as part of their job description) trained in firearms and carry one on the job. . .they carry them on planes whereever they fly, for work or otherwise, and they get to fly for free everywhere they go. . .when they are on a plane, they're an air marshall.

also, one of my clients makes bullets for (among other things) this purpose. . .the bullets are a pressed, powdered metal product that virtually disintegrates after it has entered the target and done it's job, leaving nothing heavy enough to pierce a fuselage (or what-have-you) upon exit. . .and errant rounds are not dense (correct term??) enough to blow a hole in the plane. . .they just disintegrate into dust.

 

[redsamurai]

.And I'll go along with the theory that the structure of the plane could be damaged by a shoot-out, but as far as private citizens who have concealed carry permits, the marksmanship and training is nearly the same as for the police. I think it's still an excellent idea to allow any CCW-holding passengers to carry a gun on the plane, and certainly the captain should be required to. CCW licensees have demonstrated perfect discipline in handling their guns, and would not just draw and start plugging the plane full of holes in wild abandon. 4 or 5 of them would skillfully draw and take out the hijacker.

I would have to recheck what it takes to get a CCW liscense, but I never heard of people even "remotely" having to go through the same training as military personnel let alone police officers. Like I said, it's been proven as fact that even the most highly trained proffessionals start to lose their aim when the adrenaline kicks in....that's why the military has their guys running like dogs and then immediately to the firing range so they're used to that high heart rate aiming. I would be highly incredulous if you told me that people with CCW liscenses have gone through that same style of training.....in fact I would call bullshit immediately. I don't care if you can shoot a mosquito off a dick when all things are calm and collected......when other dudes with guns start jumping up and you're firing from a bad position plus your adrenaline is kicked in plus you got a plane full of hysterical people flopping about.....I'm just not buying that your average CCW carrier is going ot start laying it down dead nuts. Only special forces guys can do that. If some dude on my flight gets up with some box cutters, I'd rather take my chances with a flying drop kick.

 

[redshirt27se]

I would have to recheck what it takes to get a CCW liscense, but I never heard of people even "remotely" having to go through the same training as military personnel let alone police officers. Like I said, it's been proven as fact that even the most highly trained proffessionals start to lose their aim when the adrenaline kicks in....that's why the military has their guys running like dogs and then immediately to the firing range so they're used to that high heart rate aiming. I would be highly incredulous if you told me that people with CCW liscenses have gone through that same style of training.....in fact I would call bullshit immediately. I don't care if you can shoot a mosquito off a dick when all things are calm and collected......when other dudes with guns start jumping up and you're firing from a bad position plus your adrenaline is kicked in plus you got a plane full of hysterical people flopping about.....I'm just not buying that your average CCW carrier is going ot start laying it down dead nuts. Only special forces guys can do that. If some dude on my flight gets up with some box cutters, I'd rather take my chances with a flying drop kick.

I didn't catch that in his original post.. it's obviously state by state, but here it's incredibly easy to get a CCW. You fill out a form, pay a fee, and you're done. The only "training" you need is that you must be able to prove you've taken a hand gun safety course within the past 5 years.


It doesn't matter if you're a terrible shot.

 

[iggy]

i'm saying he probably needed the gun anyway.

 

[Captain FT]

He was the anchor of our 3-4 defense. We mineswell try to trade up for mccoy or suh now.

In 2006 we go Haloti Ngata with the 12th pick in the first round, acquired the pick from Clevland. Imagine Rogers and Ngata anchoring a 3-4, good God.

 

[redsamurai]

In 2006 we go Haloti Ngata with the 12th pick in the first round, acquired the pick from Clevland. Imagine Rogers and Ngata anchoring a 3-4, good God.

With those two in the middle no need for an extra LB, I'd go right back to a 4-3. "NOBODY" would be running up the middle against those two.

 

[Captain FT]

With those two in the middle no need for an extra LB, I'd go right back to a 4-3. "NOBODY" would be running up the middle against those two.

I guess I never realized you were a Cleveland fan. I hope you guys are able to rebuild, the city deserves a good team. Unfortunately for Cleveland they are, in my opinion, in one the toughest, if not the toughest division in the NFL with Baltimore, Shitsburgh, and Cincy.

One thing I'm sure we can agree upon is we both reveled in watching Shitsburgh miss the playoffs.

T-Sizzles training camp shirt pretty much sums it up

 

[redsamurai]

lol, yeah still a cleveland fan. Football is the last professional sport I give a fuck about anymore...and even that's fading fast. If it weren't for the browns I probably wouldn't watch much anymore.

For good reason I used to hate the ravens and only mildly disliked the steelers....rare for a browns fan. I think it's because I liked Cowher so much.....but now I"m startin to get annoyed with them. I dispised Billick but now I'm finding myself appreciating the Ravens D a little more.....I wish we could emulate them. I will say that when the steelers and the ravens meet it's go time. They may not be the best overall teams in the NFL, but it's still like the clash of the titans.....the two meanest teams in the NFL. I actually like that cleveland is in that division instead of some place like the NFC west...lol.

 

[kx250rider]

I would have to recheck what it takes to get a CCW liscense, but I never heard of people even "remotely" having to go through the same training as military personnel let alone police officers. Like I said, it's been proven as fact that even the most highly trained proffessionals start to lose their aim when the adrenaline kicks in....that's why the military has their guys running like dogs and then immediately to the firing range so they're used to that high heart rate aiming. I would be highly incredulous if you told me that people with CCW liscenses have gone through that same style of training.....in fact I would call bullshit immediately. I don't care if you can shoot a mosquito off a dick when all things are calm and collected......when other dudes with guns start jumping up and you're firing from a bad position plus your adrenaline is kicked in plus you got a plane full of hysterical people flopping about.....I'm just not buying that your average CCW carrier is going ot start laying it down dead nuts. Only special forces guys can do that. If some dude on my flight gets up with some box cutters, I'd rather take my chances with a flying drop kick.

In Texas, there's a classroom course, and also a hands-on training requirement. Followed by a written test and an accuracy test at the range. Granted, the stress factor of a real-life confrontation isn't there in the classroom, but the discipline is taught in the class and measured in the test. The criminal and psychological background check is just about the same as for joining the police academy. If you even paid a ticket late, you might have trouble getting it. If you were ever guilty of any crime, forget it. I've heard that there are other states much easier on CCW applications. My sister-in-law got hers in Nevada, and I'm not sure how easy or hard it was. My wife's was in Texas, and that's where I'll apply when I get around to it, as I'm a legal Texas resident. In California, you just about can't get one; particularly in Los Angeles County. In Ventura County were our ranch is, you can get one if you know who to pay.

Charles

 

[redsamurai]

I'll need to look into what it is in Ohio.....from what I remember from the one year of CJ I took straight out of highschool, the hardest part was the background check. Other than that, spend one or two weekends in the classroom and prove on the range that your wrist doesn't flop about spraying your shots 90 degrees away from the intended target, and you were in like flynn. I remember asking if there was some sort of accurace determination, at the time if I recall right there wasn't. As long as the bullets went generally forward you were considered crackshot enough for a CCW. This is honestly why I don't beleive in people taking guns out of their homes for any reason whatsoever let alone owning military grade weapons. In your home you should be able to shoot anything you want save the ammunition it shoots doesn't tend stay in tact after it's hit a wall. If you want to own military grade weapons you should have to serve in the military for a few years and go through everything that they do. For instance I would be very uncomfortable living next to a guy who I know is going to open up with an M-60 if he doesn't like the look somebody gave his property. And there's plenty of em that would. It's unfortunate but the vast vast majority of american society has proven unequivocably that for the most part they are reckless and irresponsible in all manners of life.....so letting them have weapons that finalize things at a mile out is simply not somethig I'll probably ever be on board with in this country. Handguns and shotguns whose ammo puts big holes in things but tends to leave stuff be on the other side, I'm fine with....that's what we were meant to have. I am highly incredulous that if the founding fathers knew where ballistic technology was going that they wouldn't have modified the 2nd ammendment somewhat.

 

[Daeo]

bullshit dude

you ever played organized football?

It's complicated as hell, you don't just put your nose down, grunt, and fuck shit up.

Football was one of the most complicated (and most emotional) sports I ever played. And I played 'em all.

Pretty sure he was talking about the common sense department. Learning plays doesn't constitute intelligence. Not saying it doesn't take knowledge; but bringing a gun into an airport?!? You've got to be a moron...

 

[binö]

bullshit dude

you ever played organized football?

It's complicated as hell, you don't just put your nose down, grunt, and fuck shit up.

Football was one of the most complicated (and most emotional) sports I ever played. And I played 'em all.

euro haters just can't wrap their heads around the game
("they were pads, pussies, wahhhahaha!!")
they only comprehend faggy soccer