Androstenedione & Androstenediol ?

[JohnnyCoho]

New to the board here guys and this is my first post. Spent the last week or so looking at all the other posts in every topic, recent ones that is. Holly Shiznit!!,.. what a world of info I'm pumped just to find this place. Thanks!!!

OK, I'm 35 yrs old and been away from the gym for awhile (4 years to be exact) moved to a new town and new gym and just got back into it last Feb. Had to lose a bunch of weight too. Worked out a 5 day a week cycle (went all out) Lost 37 pounds of fat. Gained 2 inches on my arms, 1/2 inch on my calves, inch on my quads, and only 1/4 inch on my chest, back got huge though.
Changing around my routine now to add more mass and going to try out the "HST" cycle I found in the training forum.

Started taking Adro-SDS by "Ultra Lab" a few months ago having 4-Androstene-3b-17d-diol 50mg & 4-Androstene-3b-17d-dione 50mg. After two weeks of a loading phase (I guess) it kicked in big time and everything went through the roof with all my lifting. (including temper at times...stuff makes ya cranky) Thinkin' about trying other alternatives,..but not there yet.

Question is this; I'm Cycling off the Andro right now and really feeling it too. Wanna' keep taking it for the natural high and drive it gives me. Is there anything to take in the off cycle to counteract these feelings and keep the drive going? Stuff says to Cycle off for 1 - 5 weeks; already cycled off once for 1 week. Thinkin' maybe it should be longer now,...should it?

 

[DJ_UFO]

I did that shit once in the past. Side effects are strong, high and dangerous. Gains are just a little bit. With real juice you can get the half of the sides with the double or even triple of gains.

 

[faller]

Actually, you might want to ask the supplements board if you haven't already.

 

[JohnnyCoho]

DJufo,
..Stuff does make me crankier than snot, makes for some fun sessions with my workout partner who is also on the same shit. Still learning about juicing and interested in learning more (the way I found this site) for both myself and workout partner. We did try a few weeks supply given to us by a friend from Ca and did notice a little,..we think. Still learning but definately interested.

When cycling off during juicing are there similar side effects and what do you take betweeen cycles?

Faller,
..thanks too, will post in the Supplements Forum as well.

 

[MrRTTB]

If I would have to pick between Androstenedione & Androstenediol I would go with Sust

I bet you would get a BETTER effect with sust taken transdermal transfer way, than doing any of those 17b-16cd-nor-diol-cromico-09-weeezer-blowme-diol (I've done test transdermal with DMSO and it did work(did testosterone test), but what a waste

 

[Judo Tom]

also get some nolva/clomid for post cycle

 

[Judo Tom]

If I would have to pick between Androstenedione & Androstenediol I would go with Sust

I bet you would get a BETTER effect with sust taken transdermal transfer way, than doing any of those 17b-16cd-nor-diol-cromico-09-weeezer-blowme-diol (I've done test transdermal with DMSO and it did work(did testosterone test), but what a waste

did you notice an increase in DHT related sides from that cycle.. i have read that when test crosses the skin barrier it will convert to dht at a higher rate?

 

[JohnnyCoho]

Coming down hard off this Andro Cycle. Does not feel good at all,..

Any suggestions to help here??

Would much rather be doin' Sust right now and dont think I wanna' cycle back on the Andro at this point considering the way I'm feeling right now,..Holly Shiznit!! Stuff helped and made some significant gains, but feelin' the way I am right now ain't worth it!!

Would Nova / Clomid help with Andro supp's?

 

[sigmund]

Coming down hard off this Andro Cycle. Does not feel good at all,..

Any suggestions to help here??

Would much rather be doin' Sust right now and dont think I wanna' cycle back on the Andro at this point considering the way I'm feeling right now,..Holly Shiznit!! Stuff helped and made some significant gains, but feelin' the way I am right now ain't worth it!!

Would Nova / Clomid help with Andro supp's?

Bro, it sounds like you are crashing quite hard. Get some nolva / clomid ASAP, or (if they're not immediately available) get some type of post cycle supplement to block estrogen and help boost your natural test production, eg:

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/anti-estrogen.htm

 

[fightercowboy]

You can also get 6-Oxo by ergopharm at any nutritional store online. It is an estrogen blocker.

 

[JohnnyCoho]

OK,..newbe here,..Nolva / Clomid easy or hard to find, and where?

Gonna be ordering some 6-Oxo tomorrow morning. Thanks Sigmund and Fightercowboy!!

This crash really sucks!! last few days; Major temp fluxes, headache, light headed while lifting yesterday w/ elevated heart rate, and no drive, and Nuts are feelin' kinda sore. THIS SUCKS!!!

Should I even hold off on hittin the gym for a few days? Started that HST routine I found on the training board, While just starting the 15 rep cycle part of it with pretty light weights isn't all that bad,..last nights workout flat arse sucked!! Wanna hit the weights bad, mentally, but body is,..well I already said.