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GSP is one of the best p4p fighter out there. I also think Rampage is underrated. Silva is good, but he's not the best. I prefer GSP over him.
Anderson Silva best p4p fighter in the World
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the_alcatraz said:
Rampage looks like he may have gone to the next level in terms of performance. He needs to avenge his defeat to Wanderlei which is entirely possible given that Wanderlei is in the UFC now. The unfortunate thing with Silva and GSP is that they are running low on competition. I think Jon Fitch is the only real contender left for GSP to beat. I don't know who is left for Silva. That's why I am a big advocate of GSP moving up in a superfight against Silva. GSP has the type of ground game that could give Silva hell. Silva has the standup style that can make GSP really pay if GSP comes in pitter-pattering.
southpaw447
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I think the talent GSP has faced is better than Anderson.
GSP has had more consistency.
Anderson has had some pretty embarrassing losses. Takase in particular.
Anderson is also in a shallow division talent wise.
GSP takes #1 P4P, IMO
GSP has had more consistency.
Anderson has had some pretty embarrassing losses. Takase in particular.
Anderson is also in a shallow division talent wise.
GSP takes #1 P4P, IMO
southpaw447 said:
I take issue with your analysis of Silva and the UFC middleweight division. Silva's last loss was in 2006 by DQ to Yushin Okami because Silva KO'd Okami with an illegal kick. GSP got KO'd by Matt Serra, a puffed up lightweight, in early 2007 as his last loss. The best welterweight win for GSP is Matt Hughes. Two of GSP's biggest victories, Sherk and Penn, were against puffed up lightweights, not true welterweights.
In recent times Anderson has crushed Rich Franklin, a champ as dominant as Hughes, twice. He tooled Dan Henderson, a dominant and former Pride light-heavyweight champion. He easily thrashed Nathan Marquardt, former King of Pancrase. The Takase loss was back in 2003, over 5 years ago. The flying heel hook loss to Chonan was 3.5 years ago and he was putting a beating on Chonan until that hail mary submission. In his current state Anderson does not resemble the fighter he was back in Pride. He's been consistently demolishing all opposition excepting a flakey DQ loss since mid 2005. He's also beaten guys who have fought very successfully at lightheavy like Rich Franklin and Dan Henderson. GSP has never beaten anyone from a heavier weight-class.
My main arguments for Anderson ranking higher are: his inconsistency is from years past, the competition in his weightclass is as stiff as GSP's, and Anderson has dominated high level competitors from higher weight classes which GSP has not done. Some of GSP's more impressive victories are from guys who fight at lightweight which when factoring P4P reduces their significance.
southpaw447
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I find the fact that you consider Rich Franklin as dominant as Hughes quite hilarious. He had 1 title defense against Loiseau who BTW, sucks hard right now.
Dan Henderson has never impressed me as a Middleweight. He's had most of his success at LHW and @ MW he was having trouble with Bustamante in both of their fights.
Wether they are "puffed up" as you like to call them doesn't take away from the fact that GSP has beat 2 former and 1 current world champion.
Matt Hughes x2
Sean Sherk (whom he took down with ease)
BJ Penn
Everyone he has beaten with the exception of Jay Heiron and Jason Miller were top 10 material before he beat them down and let me remind you that he won the title at only 24 years old.
Nobody cares about fighting people who have fought at higher weights, thats why they have these things called WEIGHT CLASSES
Dan Henderson has never impressed me as a Middleweight. He's had most of his success at LHW and @ MW he was having trouble with Bustamante in both of their fights.
Wether they are "puffed up" as you like to call them doesn't take away from the fact that GSP has beat 2 former and 1 current world champion.
Matt Hughes x2
Sean Sherk (whom he took down with ease)
BJ Penn
Everyone he has beaten with the exception of Jay Heiron and Jason Miller were top 10 material before he beat them down and let me remind you that he won the title at only 24 years old.
Nobody cares about fighting people who have fought at higher weights, thats why they have these things called WEIGHT CLASSES
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"I find the fact that you consider Rich Franklin as dominant as Hughes quite hilarious. He had 1 title defense against Loiseau who BTW, sucks hard right now."
Yes. On reviewing the record, Franklin had fewer successful defenses than Hughes. I was counting most of his UFC victories as title defenses. Franklin was however 18-1 overall before losing to Anderson, his only loss at light heavy, not middleweight, to Machida. He was undefeated at middleweight. You are incorrect about Franklin's title defenses though as he also starched Quarry in a title defense.
"Dan Henderson has never impressed me as a Middleweight. He's had most of his success at LHW and @ MW he was having trouble with Bustamante in both of their fights."
You are completely incorrect that Henderson's success is mainly at Lightheavy. 4 of his 7 losses are at lightheavy, only 2 are at middleweight. At light-heavy Dan lost against most of his ranked competitors. It doesn't matter if you are impressed or not in my P4P ranking system. What matters primarily is accumulated victories against quality opposition and the fashion in which you win within your weight class. Henderson accumulates wins against very high competition. There is no shame to being tested by Bustamante as he is the former UFC middleweight champion and very capable of beating any high level middleweight competitor and has achieved those ends with easy victories over top competitors like Matt Lindland. Also I take issue with your analysis that Bustamante gave Henderson trouble in their fist match. Henderson KO'd Bustamante in under a minute. Henderson was never having trouble in that bout.
Wether they are "puffed up" as you like to call them doesn't take away from the fact that GSP has beat 2 former and 1 current world champion.
It does take away from the victory because the victories are against competitors from a lighter weight class, hence a reduction in the P4P value of the victory.
"Matt Hughes x2
"Sean Sherk (whom he took down with ease)"-Not a wrestling match. A natural lightweight.
"BJ Penn"- A questionable split decision.
"Everyone he has beaten with the exception of Jay Heiron and Jason Miller were top 10 material before he beat them down and let me remind you that he won the title at only 24 years old."
Everyone he has beaten excepting Heiron and Miller have not been top 10 material. Ivan Menjivar was not top 10 material, neither was Justin Bruckmann, nor Travis Gailbraith, nor Thomas Denny, nor Pete Spratt, not Karo Parysian, nor Dave Strasser, nor Matt Serra when Serra KOd him, nor Josh Koscheck.
"Nobody cares about fighting people who have fought at higher weights, thats why they have these things called WEIGHT CLASSES"
You mean you do not care and need to appeal to the nameless masses as if popular consensus makes something true. You are wrong anyways. Established P4P rankings take that factor into account. Beating fighters that customarily fight at higher weights means that they are bigger fighters, hence higher poundages in relation to the lower weight competitor, hence a higher value in a P4P factor ranking for that victory. Why do you shake a finger in my face for rationalizing that puffed up lightweights reduce the P4P value of a victory, then try to claim age makes a difference? It's P4P ranking, not age 4 age ranking.
I'm ears if you can propose a better P4P ranking system than rating victories and losses adjusted for relative weights.
Yes. On reviewing the record, Franklin had fewer successful defenses than Hughes. I was counting most of his UFC victories as title defenses. Franklin was however 18-1 overall before losing to Anderson, his only loss at light heavy, not middleweight, to Machida. He was undefeated at middleweight. You are incorrect about Franklin's title defenses though as he also starched Quarry in a title defense.
"Dan Henderson has never impressed me as a Middleweight. He's had most of his success at LHW and @ MW he was having trouble with Bustamante in both of their fights."
You are completely incorrect that Henderson's success is mainly at Lightheavy. 4 of his 7 losses are at lightheavy, only 2 are at middleweight. At light-heavy Dan lost against most of his ranked competitors. It doesn't matter if you are impressed or not in my P4P ranking system. What matters primarily is accumulated victories against quality opposition and the fashion in which you win within your weight class. Henderson accumulates wins against very high competition. There is no shame to being tested by Bustamante as he is the former UFC middleweight champion and very capable of beating any high level middleweight competitor and has achieved those ends with easy victories over top competitors like Matt Lindland. Also I take issue with your analysis that Bustamante gave Henderson trouble in their fist match. Henderson KO'd Bustamante in under a minute. Henderson was never having trouble in that bout.
Wether they are "puffed up" as you like to call them doesn't take away from the fact that GSP has beat 2 former and 1 current world champion.
It does take away from the victory because the victories are against competitors from a lighter weight class, hence a reduction in the P4P value of the victory.
"Matt Hughes x2
"Sean Sherk (whom he took down with ease)"-Not a wrestling match. A natural lightweight.
"BJ Penn"- A questionable split decision.
"Everyone he has beaten with the exception of Jay Heiron and Jason Miller were top 10 material before he beat them down and let me remind you that he won the title at only 24 years old."
Everyone he has beaten excepting Heiron and Miller have not been top 10 material. Ivan Menjivar was not top 10 material, neither was Justin Bruckmann, nor Travis Gailbraith, nor Thomas Denny, nor Pete Spratt, not Karo Parysian, nor Dave Strasser, nor Matt Serra when Serra KOd him, nor Josh Koscheck.
"Nobody cares about fighting people who have fought at higher weights, thats why they have these things called WEIGHT CLASSES"
You mean you do not care and need to appeal to the nameless masses as if popular consensus makes something true. You are wrong anyways. Established P4P rankings take that factor into account. Beating fighters that customarily fight at higher weights means that they are bigger fighters, hence higher poundages in relation to the lower weight competitor, hence a higher value in a P4P factor ranking for that victory. Why do you shake a finger in my face for rationalizing that puffed up lightweights reduce the P4P value of a victory, then try to claim age makes a difference? It's P4P ranking, not age 4 age ranking.
I'm ears if you can propose a better P4P ranking system than rating victories and losses adjusted for relative weights.
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I think Anderson is great, but not the best.GSP sure is working his way to being P4P.
I would agree with Jacob Fedor is losing rank due to inactivity, and I'm a fan of watching Fedor.
I would agree with Jacob Fedor is losing rank due to inactivity, and I'm a fan of watching Fedor.
Are you guys aware that Anderson is moving up to 205 to fight James Irvin? He's coming after light-heavy title now.
Yes, I did and I would take Anderson 2win.
