Anavar only cycle for vegan

[jagi32]

Hi,

Stats:

22 years old amateur mma fighter
5'8 weighing in at 70kg
not sure about bf, but i have an athletic body so i am lean but not that lean.

I have a good diet and being vegetarian (no egg or fish) its a little more difficult to make the gains i ideally want.

I rely hugely on protein shakes to make up for my protein count.

I am new to this website so please forgive me if i come across nieve.

Ive been researching Anavar as a potential aas to take to enhance my training. I want something mild and something that will increase my strength without putting on too much mass and something which help me become lean. Therefore ive decided an only anavar cycle is what i ideally want to do.

I was wondering if someone could help me with dosing, pct and the cycle in general.

 

[SpyWizard]

hahah.. eat some tofu..

 

[SpyWizard]

just kidding i had to..

I'd like to see a more detailed food plan.. then we'll go from there..

most people will scream at you about an aas cycle without test is just you suppressing your testicles.. but i'll try to help you out..

 

[Gearjunkie]

Hi,

Stats:

22 years old amateur mma fighter
5'8 weighing in at 70kg
not sure about bf, but i have an athletic body so i am lean but not that lean.

I have a good diet and being vegetarian (no egg or fish) its a little more difficult to make the gains i ideally want.

I rely hugely on protein shakes to make up for my protein count.

I am new to this website so please forgive me if i come across nieve.

Ive been researching Anavar as a potential aas to take to enhance my training. I want something mild and something that will increase my strength without putting on too much mass and something which help me become lean. Therefore ive decided an only anavar cycle is what i ideally want to do.

I was wondering if someone could help me with dosing, pct and the cycle in general.

You need food to grow regardless you waana put 5lb or 10lb.

High in protein and low carbs diet will help you put some mass on and cut same time.

Get some tofu,milk,nuts and soya in your diet to up your protein intake.

Do 5*5 training for strength gain!

Stick to a proper diet and training for 12 weeks you will achieve your goals without using any anabolics !

 

[ALIN]

At 22 and with your goals,,,you could probably reach those drug free. Take advaantage of your youth and use your natural hormone levels.

 

[stevesmi]

using var with MMA training is a double edged sword. the main issue you will be dealing with is pumps. you could possibly eliminate them with taurine but you will still feel heaviness in the muscles when you are working out. i literally after a workout cannot even put my hand on my chest from the incredible tightness and vascularity I get from var. the N2guard I take eliminates the pumps but my muscles have a noticeable fullness to them, its an awesome feeling for a lifter but a bad feeling if you are a runner or MMA fighter. keep this in mind.

if you still insist i would say keep the dosages at 40 or 50mg. keep the cycle under 6 weeks.. and run some hcgenerate for a couple weeks leading up to pct which can be a very light dose of clomid and a bottle of a natty test booster such as unleashed.

no you don't need test with any AAS, i stopped stacking my cycles with test and i'm much more pleased with my dry gains. but whether you stack test with a cycle or not you still need the proper ancillaries during and a good pct.

 

[oxymoron]

How long have you been weight lifting and at what frequency and intensity? Can you post a picture jagi32? 22 is young tho. I think you'd be disappointed on med dosed var cycle? Say you've been lifting hard since you were 17 and could justify doing this cycle, I would say add a good amount of ph to it.


So in addition to the shakes, which you can't rely solely on, what are your high protien foods? Beans and Nuts is primary sources? Is dairy out like cottage cheese?

 

[SpyWizard]

I've run anavar only
dbol only
winnie only
test e test c test prop
tren
halo
abomb

my favorite is by far is anavar...

 

[SpyWizard]

actually for crazy strength

test e
anavar 50-80mg
dbol 50mg

all at the same time.. did the dbol after 4 weeks of the test/anavar

continued the anavar with the dbol/test... craziest 4 weeks of my life..

 

[UA_Iron]

IMO vegetarians and especially vegans have no business touching gear for any reason. If you want to be big or more successful in your fighting you should utilize the high energy calorie sources provided by animal fats and proteins; after all it was this capability that helped us evolve from apes 7 million years ago. The energy provided by animals allowed our brains to develop to the size they are now. If you're doing the veggie thing for health reasons you have no business with gear; you will negate such reasons. If you're doing it for ethical reasons, eat the organic farm raised stuff or fish. Embrace this ability that we've acquired over millions of years of evolutionary iterations to become the lost successful animal on this planet.

 

[All In a Year]

IMO vegetarians and especially vegans have no business touching gear for any reason. If you want to be big or more successful in your fighting you should utilize the high energy calorie sources provided by animal fats and proteins; after all it was this capability that helped us evolve from apes 7 million years ago. The energy provided by animals allowed our brains to develop to the size they are now. If you're doing the veggie thing for health reasons you have no business with gear; you will negate such reasons. If you're doing it for ethical reasons, eat the organic farm raised stuff or fish. Embrace this ability that we've acquired over millions of years of evolutionary iterations to become the lost successful animal on this planet.

Exactly.

 

[jagi32]

just kidding i had to..

I'd like to see a more detailed food plan.. then we'll go from there..

most people will scream at you about an aas cycle without test is just you suppressing your testicles.. but i'll try to help you out..

thank you to everyone, for your feedback and advice.

Currently:

AM: flax seeds,pumpkin seeds and olive oil seeds and almonds (grinned) mixed and blended in with milk and oats alongside a high carb protein shake.

almonds i have throughout the day.

LUNCHTIME: pasta with soya mince with cottage cheese and greens or jacket potato with beans and cottage cheese and greens.

SNACK: bananas and high carb protein shake.

DINNER: Lentil soup with baked potatoes and salad.

BEFORE BED: low carb high protein- protein shake.

i have soya and tofu through the week when i have time to make it, but i restrict my soya as it tends to give me gyno if i consume too much of it.

some days i have veggy soya burgers, with baked chips and cottage cheese.

Thank you spywizard.

 

[jagi32]

At 22 and with your goals,,,you could probably reach those drug free. Take advaantage of your youth and use your natural hormone levels.

thank you for your advice. its just i train pretty hard but its come to a point where my gains have either come to a halt or they are slowing down. And its frustrating because you know you train hard.

 

[jagi32]

using var with MMA training is a double edged sword. the main issue you will be dealing with is pumps. you could possibly eliminate them with taurine but you will still feel heaviness in the muscles when you are working out. i literally after a workout cannot even put my hand on my chest from the incredible tightness and vascularity I get from var. the N2guard I take eliminates the pumps but my muscles have a noticeable fullness to them, its an awesome feeling for a lifter but a bad feeling if you are a runner or MMA fighter. keep this in mind.

if you still insist i would say keep the dosages at 40 or 50mg. keep the cycle under 6 weeks.. and run some hcgenerate for a couple weeks leading up to pct which can be a very light dose of clomid and a bottle of a natty test booster such as unleashed.

no you don't need test with any AAS, i stopped stacking my cycles with test and i'm much more pleased with my dry gains. but whether you stack test with a cycle or not you still need the proper ancillaries during and a good pct.

Thanks steve, i didnt know about the pumps you would get from anavar would restricted movement whilst working out. Ill keep that in mind.

i like the idea of 6 weeks.

what dosage of HCGenerate do you recommend and by how much shall i reduce the clomid dosage by, coming toward the end of the PCT.

Thank you

 

[jagi32]

How long have you been weight lifting and at what frequency and intensity? Can you post a picture jagi32? 22 is young tho. I think you'd be disappointed on med dosed var cycle? Say you've been lifting hard since you were 17 and could justify doing this cycle, I would say add a good amount of ph to it.


So in addition to the shakes, which you can't rely solely on, what are your high protien foods? Beans and Nuts is primary sources? Is dairy out like cottage cheese?

ive been lifting on and off since 16, but 3 years ago i started training more seriously and also switched from just muay thai to MMA.

I train weights from 3 to 4 days a week and MMA from 2 or 3 times a week. I Train at 5am most days for weights and go back to sleep by about 7/7:30.

Why would i be disappointed? I was hoping it would be the perfect aas to take for my kind of training and for my goals.

My diet consists of soya ( i try to limit this though as i think im prone to gyno), tofu, Lentils, mixed beans (kidney beans, chickpeas etc). I do eat cottage cheese and i drink milk ( but milk tends to bloat me so i also take with moderation). Almonds i have daily with a cup full grinned with flax seeds and a mixture of other seeds blended with milk.

Hope that gives some kind of understanding into my diet. Ive posted up my full diet plan on this thread.

 

[stevesmi]

IMO vegetarians and especially vegans have no business touching gear for any reason. If you want to be big or more successful in your fighting you should utilize the high energy calorie sources provided by animal fats and proteins; after all it was this capability that helped us evolve from apes 7 million years ago. The energy provided by animals allowed our brains to develop to the size they are now. If you're doing the veggie thing for health reasons you have no business with gear; you will negate such reasons. If you're doing it for ethical reasons, eat the organic farm raised stuff or fish. Embrace this ability that we've acquired over millions of years of evolutionary iterations to become the lost successful animal on this planet.

good post and I respect your opinion but I disagree and here is why:

black bears in the south are mostly vegetarians, so are gorilla's. (both eat very very little animal maybe some insects or larvae but they don't eat meat) and they are pretty damn muscular

you don't need to eat meat to grow muscle, I know cause I was a vegan for 2 years myself and i was built like a freight train. as long as you workout like a beast you will grow muscle even if you eat slop everyday. of course a great diet will aid greatly, but a vegan diet is actually better than the shit diets i see a lot of guys eating that make them overweight and fat. many men eat too much meat and they have huge bellies, so eating a lot of meat isn't gonna make you the hulk.

again i was one for 2 years so i have been there, done that. a lot of vegan hippie type guys you see around don't work out so yeah they are skinny, but that doesn't mean they wouldn't be capable of growing muscle. complete myth.. its a fair stereotype because 99% of them don't workout, but it doesn't apply to all. I still to this day eat very little meat. i will have some grassfed beef, wild fish, and some baked chicken spread out over the course of the week... but I am far from a meat eater and I am carrying plenty of mass.

as for soy i would agree with you on that, its shit. its pretty much sugar in a different form (null of nutrition) and has no health benefits. and i agree the OP should swap that out and get some cage free eggs and eat SOME animal protein which is ethical instead of nasty soy..

i actually catch my own fish rather than buy from the store because of the environmental threats fishing boats pose to the oceans and other sealife. and i won't mess with farm raised fish that are fed who knows what. so I am in your boat OP, but you don't have to be so stringent.

 

[rich_89]

If you compete with other humans, you should not use anabolic steroids, it is cheating!

I use steroids and lift purely for my body image, you are doing it and you will give yourself a massive edge over your opponent.

Just saying. . .

 

[jagi32]

I dont compete bro, do it as a hobby. Otherwise yes, it is ethically cheating.

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[dye1337]

If you can have milk products you're not a vegan. Might get you some extra ladies saying you're a vegan, but you're not. You can get plenty of protein from milk sources even if it "bloats" you, but I'd take some bloat over gyno (soy)/no gains any day

 

[stevesmi]

I dont compete bro, do it as a hobby. Otherwise yes, it is ethically cheating.

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my view is if its a tested league and you bribe or manipulate your test somehow then you are cheating. however if its not a tested league then everyone else is using something to get a bit stronger, so i dont consider it cheating. but AAS will not make you into a MMA fighter, it takes a shitload of training, flexibility and skills. i could never do it myself, doesn't matter if i were to juice or not. i've never been in a fight in my life and wouldn't do what to do.

 

[jagi32]

my view is if its a tested league and you bribe or manipulate your test somehow then you are cheating. however if its not a tested league then everyone else is using something to get a bit stronger, so i dont consider it cheating. but AAS will not make you into a MMA fighter, it takes a shitload of training, flexibility and skills. i could never do it myself, doesn't matter if i were to juice or not. i've never been in a fight in my life and wouldn't do what to do.

True. I personally took it up as a hobby and recommend it to everyone who trains. Its wicked if you can co-operate all that strength into something practical such as some kind of martial arts. You look good, your strong and you know how to fight. Obviously a fight is the last thing you want to get into, its a waste and its not needed and should be avoided at all times.

But sometimes you end up in a situation in which you will have to defend yourself, and though being big is intimidating and works most of the times, you will always find someone with balls and therefore should know how to defend yourself.

It does take a lot of commitment and effort. It requires the same effort and dedication one has to weight training. its mind over matter and it takes heart to do it, just like anything in life. But i train with a lot of older and stronger people hence, why i would like to increase my strength as well as leaning up. its not all about strength and being bigger, its about using skills and techniques, however strength does play a big part, in the way it is utilized when training.

 

[GreenBastard]

Its going to be pretty tough to make good gains without any meat in your diet. Var is a pretty damn good drug for newbies. Guys who are experienced with aas and have done a few cycles will try a var only cycle, gain nothing, and then say what the hell this stuff is garbage. Newbies will take it at 40mg ed and gain upwards of 10lbs of lmb with minimal sides, possibly shed a percent or two of bf, and get a pretty good boost in strength, 85% of which will be kept off cycle. I like var at 40mg per day by itself. Yes var only cycles are frowned upon by most but at the end of the day, var with creatine and glutamine is a very good little cycle. 6 weeks is long enough, use a multivitimin while on cycle, do clomid and nolva for pct with some milk thistle or liv 52. hope this helps!

 

[UA_Iron]

good post and I respect your opinion but I disagree and here is why:

black bears in the south are mostly vegetarians, so are gorilla's. (both eat very very little animal maybe some insects or larvae but they don't eat meat) and they are pretty damn muscular

I'm always up for a good debate

Gorillas and Black bears have to eat so much greenery they spend their entire day doing it - in order to get the calories necessary to sustain. Chimpanzees, on the other hand, are known to eat meat during dry seasons. It's a balance of efficiency.

Meat is an optimal calorie source. Getting all the required calories as a vegan requires you eat a massive amount of food (unless you start eating some weird processed junk food crap). This is even more true while weightlifting.

you don't need to eat meat to grow muscle, I know cause I was a vegan for 2 years myself and i was built like a freight train. as long as you workout like a beast you will grow muscle even if you eat slop everyday. of course a great diet will aid greatly, but a vegan diet is actually better than the shit diets i see a lot of guys eating that make them overweight and fat. many men eat too much meat and they have huge bellies, so eating a lot of meat isn't gonna make you the hulk.

again i was one for 2 years so i have been there, done that. a lot of vegan hippie type guys you see around don't work out so yeah they are skinny, but that doesn't mean they wouldn't be capable of growing muscle. complete myth.. its a fair stereotype because 99% of them don't workout, but it doesn't apply to all. I still to this day eat very little meat. i will have some grassfed beef, wild fish, and some baked chicken spread out over the course of the week... but I am far from a meat eater and I am carrying plenty of mass.

While I dont disagree that one could make gains without meat in their diet - I just dont see it as an optimal energy input. We thrive off the fats that animals provide us with. I'm not sure how you could eat 3500 calories of plant sourced food without maybe drinking olive oil and eating ANPB by the bottle.

Fats are important in testosterone production as well.

as for soy i would agree with you on that, its shit. its pretty much sugar in a different form (null of nutrition) and has no health benefits. and i agree the OP should swap that out and get some cage free eggs and eat SOME animal protein which is ethical instead of nasty soy..

i actually catch my own fish rather than buy from the store because of the environmental threats fishing boats pose to the oceans and other sealife. and i won't mess with farm raised fish that are fed who knows what. so I am in your boat OP, but you don't have to be so stringent.

Soy is crap because its protein gram per gram is the lowest on the bioavailability index. Not even worth eating IMO. It's sell as a health food product was a scam because it was just a byproduct of some other process and they had to figure out what to do with it.

Sounds like you have the best meat source possible buddy.

 

[colorado1975]

good post and I respect your opinion but I disagree and here is why:

black bears in the south are mostly vegetarians, so are gorilla's. (both eat very very little animal maybe some insects or larvae but they don't eat meat) and they are pretty damn muscular

you don't need to eat meat to grow muscle

I agree with you man. I don't know the science behind if your body knows the difference between protein from say chicken, kale, or almonds but based on my limited experience I think you can get damn good results from AAS while on a vegan diet. I would bet most people's results may be a bit better eating meats and dairy as far as lean muscle gains but I think this is because particularly meat offers a ton of protein without the extra carbs and fat that some of the vegan foods have. Personally, my gains during my current cycle have been just as good as my last cycle when I was not on a mostly raw 95% vegan diet. I do eat raw fish on occassion simply because I love it too much to give up. I must say though, going vegan requires a hell of a lot more effort in trying to get lots of protein. I feel better digestion wise when not eating meat and dairy though and I think living meat and dairy free is better for you in the long run. Obviously, I am far from an expert here and this is simply only my opinion.

 

[Jack steel]

using var with MMA training is a double edged sword. the main issue you will be dealing with is pumps. you could possibly eliminate them with taurine but you will still feel heaviness in the muscles when you are working out. i literally after a workout cannot even put my hand on my chest from the incredible tightness and vascularity I get from var. the N2guard I take eliminates the pumps but my muscles have a noticeable fullness to them, its an awesome feeling for a lifter but a bad feeling if you are a runner or MMA fighter. keep this in mind.

if you still insist i would say keep the dosages at 40 or 50mg. keep the cycle under 6 weeks.. and run some hcgenerate for a couple weeks leading up to pct which can be a very light dose of clomid and a bottle of a natty test booster such as unleashed.

no you don't need test with any AAS, i stopped stacking my cycles with test and i'm much more pleased with my dry gains. but whether you stack test with a cycle or not you still need the proper ancillaries during and a good pct.

You're damn good at touching almost every point, Steve. Props and thanks on the good info you're dishing out brother.