anavar only cycle-counterproductive?

[nevertriedjuice]

on my 12th day of anavar only cycle(30mg ed). thought this stuff was not suppose to inhibit your nat test as much as other gear. as i sit here, my nuts ache and i think are getting smaller. im no brain surgeon, but im thinkin im maybe shutting down. at this point i dont think its worth the risk to keep up this cycle as i do think my test levels are on the decline & i feel that in the weeks to come, it will just get worse. at this point i(think) have 3 choices-
1)stop now after 12 days w/ no pct(do i need a pct after only 2 weeks?)and hope i recover
2)stop and start clomid or nov
3)continue and add some test for 6 weeks til end of anavar cycle

did not want to do any test as im prone to hairloss and do not want any sides, but anavar only and no test i hear, is no picnic. should i go get a blood test to check the test levels asap?

trying to lean out for summer and not gain much weight- just maintain, get lean, hard and strong.
workouts and diet are good and thought anavar was what i needed to get to be where i wanted
36
5'11
190
15% bf
was hoping for 190@9%
nat test was 415 2 weeks ago-590 2 mos ago
your thoughts?​

 

[EliteFitnessGuy]

Anavar won't suppress you like other steroids, mg per mg, but considering that you must take high doses, the difference is not so much big. A recent study showed that 80 mg Anavar/day suppressed testosterone by ca. 65% on average after 12 weeks. But everybody reacts differently. My testosterone suppression after a 8-week cycle with 60-65 mg Anavar/day was nearly 100%.

I see no problem with testosterone suppression anymore, because I recover comfortably on 10 mg Anavar+1 mg anastrozole/day. 30 mg/day is a very low dose, by the way. I would even say that it is an utter waste.

 

[RADAR]

I wouldn't say its a waste ,as i have ran many Var Cycles at 30-40 mg daily and been pretty well pleased with all of them.

 

[novicefit]

I was on var with 500mgs test e and my nuts ached like a mofo also. So it could just be a side of var since I had the same experience even with plenty of test mixed in….something to think about

 

[kkklick]

I'm on the last 2 weeks of an 8 week var cycle @ 50mg, my nuts don't ache, but they have shrunk and I'm not nearly as horny (it used to be IMPOSSIBLE to not fap for a week, but during the cycle I went a week without fapping and didn't even notice). I've been gaining some good muscle, and I'm eating a cutting diet that's high in protein. Also lost some good fat, so as long as I keep the muscle I gained (which I should apparently keep most of it) then a var only cycle is not counterproductive. \

Just FYI, it took about 2-3 weeks before var "kicked in", it's up to you if you want to continue but I would up it to 40, 30 is just a tad too low.

 

[Yonkers666]

I found 60 mg to be perfect

 

[nevertriedjuice]

want to bump it up to at least 40, but my boys are not feelin so good

 

[AvatarJ]

I'm on the last 2 weeks of an 8 week var cycle @ 50mg, my nuts don't ache, but they have shrunk and I'm not nearly as horny (it used to be IMPOSSIBLE to not fap for a week, but during the cycle I went a week without fapping and didn't even notice).


if you add some proviron it will sort that out, it kicks your libido right up! and another plus is that it'l help with making your muscles hard/solid especially with var.

I'd say 40mg is fine for var

 

[nevertriedjuice]

id love to keep the the 40mg ed the var as the nut aches have not been so bad the last 2 days. going to stop tho and start clomid(see if i can tolerate the sides) or nolva + aspartic acid(6g) and hcgenerate. i think at 40mg ed keeping up my cardio/diet another 1-1.5 months i think i would have hit my goal. nuts are about a 1/4 shrunk and sex drive and well being are on the decline. getting bloodwork tommorow to check liver,lipids and test. test was at 415 two weeks ago and all else was normal

 

[nevertriedjuice]

I'm on the last 2 weeks of an 8 week var cycle @ 50mg, my nuts don't ache, but they have shrunk and I'm not nearly as horny (it used to be IMPOSSIBLE to not fap for a week, but during the cycle I went a week without fapping and didn't even notice).


if you add some proviron it will sort that out, it kicks your libido right up! and another plus is that it'l help with making your muscles hard/solid especially with var.

I'd say 40mg is fine for var

cant add proviron as i heard it will make you shed like crazy-one reason i dont to test.
prone to hairloss

 

[Ox-Sandra-Loan]

Anavar won't suppress you like other steroids, mg per mg, but considering that you must take high doses, the difference is not so much big. A recent study showed that 80 mg Anavar/day suppressed testosterone by ca. 65% on average after 12 weeks. But everybody reacts differently. My testosterone suppression after a 8-week cycle with 60-65 mg Anavar/day was nearly 100%.

I see no problem with testosterone suppression anymore, because I recover comfortably on 10 mg Anavar+1 mg anastrozole/day. 30 mg/day is a very low dose, by the way. I would even say that it is an utter waste.

I am very interested in hearing more about this...you use it during recovery/pct? Lots of people think it can't work, but my feeling is that there is potential...I have read of people recovering on 10mg morning dbol (in addition to various supplements to help recovery) I might be trying something like this in the distant future when I finally come off.

 

[EliteFitnessGuy]

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I am very interested in hearing more about this...you use it during recovery/pct? Lots of people think it can't work, but my feeling is that there is potential...I have read of people recovering on 10mg morning dbol (in addition to various supplements to help recovery) I might be trying something like this in the distant future when I finally come off.

Yes, it's really that simple! People make such a fuss around PCT that originally I thought it was a very difficult task. Yes, it is - when you listen to all the internet garbage and you think that after stopping the use of steroids, anti-estrogens will recover your endogenous testosterone within 7 days. It is a complete bullsh*t, of course, and I was often back on my pre-cycle level within mere 10 days after the cycle.

YOU CAN'T STOP USING STEROIDS, WHEN YOUR ENDOGENOUS TESTOSTERONE ISN'T RECOVERED YET! Anavar is an ideal steroid for this purpose, because 10 mg/day will substitute your endogenous testosterone production, and at the same time, it won't interfere with the effect of anti-estrogens. As a result, you will recover very comfortably, and it is very likely that you will be improving even during PCT!

I tested it during my winter Anavar cycle, when I was already disgusted from all my unsuccessful experiments with PCT (including even SARMs). It worked fine - so fine that I couldn't almost believe it. PCT - such a trivial matter!!!

Now I am running it once more, after 7 weeks on Anavar. After 2 weeks of PCT, I feel fine, even better than during the cycle, and if I succeed again, I will post my experience here. However, you should use the Anavar/anti-estrogen combo for at least 3-4 weeks, and then you should run some anti-estrogen in low doses for additional 3-4 weeks.

The experience of some users suggests that even when your testosterone levels are back on the normal level (which can happen within 3-4 weeks), they may in fact be "fake", i.e. artifically stimulated by the anti-estrogens. When you stop using anti-estrogens, the testosterone levels will quickly drop back, because your testes don't function normally yet.

 

[RottenWillow]

Anavar won't suppress you like other steroids, mg per mg, but considering that you must take high doses, the difference is not so much big. A recent study showed that 80 mg Anavar/day suppressed testosterone by ca. 65% on average after 12 weeks. But everybody reacts differently. My testosterone suppression after a 8-week cycle with 60-65 mg Anavar/day was nearly 100%.

I see no problem with testosterone suppression anymore, because I recover comfortably on 10 mg Anavar+1 mg anastrozole/day. 30 mg/day is a very low dose, by the way. I would even say that it is an utter waste.

Seems like I recall reading that one. I don't recall that it had much of a sample size though, and like you point out, everyone is different. Also, I don't recall the dosing pattern. AM only would reasonably have less of a deleterious impact on endogenous T production.

You seem like a creative thinker. If you periodize your training, consider something like prop every other week to completely avoid HPTA inference. Based on my own reading, I think that might work. Hard week would be probably be two shots ~30 to 36 hours apart right before and during the week's workouts. Easy week would be natty. I think the T levels would fall all the way to physiological before natural production would be decreased. I'd hit the zinc glyconate/glycinate hard immediately coming off the shots. Freeze dried garlic has shown some clinical efficacy in boosting T as well. Any other effective T boosters as well of course.

 

[EliteFitnessGuy]

Seems like I recall reading that one. I don't recall that it had much of a sample size though, and like you point out, everyone is different. Also, I don't recall the dosing pattern. AM only would reasonably have less of a deleterious impact on endogenous T production.

You seem like a creative thinker. If you periodize your training, consider something like prop every other week to completely avoid HPTA inference. Based on my own reading, I think that might work. Hard week would be probably be two shots ~30 to 36 hours apart right before and during the week's workouts. Easy week would be natty. I think the T levels would fall all the way to physiological before natural production would be decreased. I'd hit the zinc glyconate/glycinate hard immediately coming off the shots. Freeze dried garlic has shown some clinical efficacy in boosting T as well. Any other effective T boosters as well of course.

I think that exogenous testosterone would be too suppressive. Anavar is the best stuff in this regard.

 

[nevertriedjuice]

so i stopped my cycle and on clomid, aspartic acid and hopefully my hcgen will be here tommoriow. my bloodwork for test levels will be ready by thurs or fri. should i still run a very low does of anavar? im a little confused on the last few posts. would running hcg or clomid during my anavar cyle have been a good idea?

 

[strykn]

3 weeks in 60mg ED, got blood work done couple days ago, no test supression.... yet!

 

[JeebusIron]

3 weeks in 60mg ED, got blood work done couple days ago, no test supression.... yet!

did you get pre blood work done too to compare?