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I have a friend that's going to be running a 40mg/ed cycle of anavar but he likes to pop vics and morphine (pretty much daily)

I'm a little concerned about this... we both already know he shouldn't be doing it but he has a drug problem (he even admits it).

If anyone here can give me some good reading on why these things don't go together other than "he's on gear he should be dedicated, etc" please let me know

last thing i want to see is him get fucked w/ some jacked up reaction to the aas and other drugs

thanks
 
this is totally absurd and very idiotic!!!!

and stupid too!

and why the fuck would anybody use morhpine unless they had a serious medical condition (like late stages of cancer)...

get the fuck outta here..
nobody wants to see this shit on elite.

am i alone here bros??
 
satchboogie said:
this is totally absurd and very get the fuck outta here..
nobody wants to see this shit on elite.

am i alone here bros??
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yea youre alone on this one

hes not asking for himself if its ok or not
i know tical personally and hes a good bro and doesnt use type of rec drugs

as far as the guy hes asking about goes, he knows its stupid. talking someone out of doing shit isnt always as easy as it seems

the guys fucked and he probably knows it, tical is just asking if hes gonna be fatally fucked and what to do
 
well maybe you're not aware of elite TOS..
but talks about morphine (scheduled 1) are NOT appropriate!!!

so i dont give a shit if i'm alone here or not..
i'm sure elite mods/admins are with me on this one.

this thread is to be nuked shortly.
 
I wasn't asking where to get morphine, all I wanted to know is what the fuck could go wrong with a buddy of mine when he starts messing w/ these combos. I have no control over what he does and was just trying to find out what to expect.

Your TOS argument is somewhat lame and a shitty thing to have to fall back on considering the context of this thread... but hey to each his own.
 
Bad Fucking Idea!!!!!

tical said:
I have a friend that's going to be running a 40mg/ed cycle of anavar but he likes to pop vics and morphine (pretty much daily)

I'm a little concerned about this... we both already know he shouldn't be doing it but he has a drug problem (he even admits it).

If anyone here can give me some good reading on why these things don't go together other than "he's on gear he should be dedicated, etc" please let me know
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Ok, holmes.

This is the breakdown.

Taking narcotics while on cycle is counterproductive. The morphine will limit the recovery ability and anabolic properties of the Anavar. It's taking one step forward and two steps back........absolutely pointless.

Anavar is 17AA, which means it is harsh on the liver and this combined with the Morphine/Vicodin will only increase his liver values. It's just unhealthy and I don't advocate that anyone abuse Opiates, as you said he's an addict; though this is especially daunting seeing as how he's going to run the Anavar.

Don't do it!!!!!!!!

DIV

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Tical try to talk your friend into treatment. I feel for ya bro. It sux having friends that are addicted. I have been on both sides of that coin ...both the addicted and after clean saw the flip side when my ex became addicted. Hopefully you can get some sense in him.
 
yep, treat the addiction first. If your buddy is the type who has the "addictive" gene running in his family (alcoholic / long term pot smoker), maybe aas just isn't for him. Sure aas isn't adictive in the same sense that opiats are, but it could trigger it..
 
I recommend drinking chew spit before your start a clean cycle. The whole point is maximizing your body. 10-4
 
I dont need to tellyou this you probably know it, but youre friend needs to get his priorities straight. If he admitedly has a drug problem it should not be something he just considers part of his life like a ingrown nail. You are talking about some serious shit. Not even the medical complications which can and will arise eventually. But the effect it will have on his ovedrall well being. Benzos , Hydrocodone, fuck with youre body's chemistry and usually make you depressed and dependant. Next he will possibly have to deal with depression that might be brought on from changing the hormones in youre body. Assuming he has a some type of addiction he is already probably not good at dealing with his problems and is most likely suffering from depression. Best thing that you can do for youre friend is let him know youre their for him to help him and then , and Im dead serious bro, get you and youre friends together and hand him a beatdown, but let him know its for his own good.
 
tell him to drop the vics if he needs to continue (when you have a problem you have to stay on) just use the Morphine while he cycles anavar, the acetaminophen from the vics is the killer on his liver, I also know a few big guy's which some also compete and are on opiates on a daily bases because of medical conditions, and it seems that it's not effecting their gym life that much they all look good, geared or not.
 
test-monkey said:
tell him to drop the vics if he needs to continue (when you have a problem you have to stay on) just use the Morphine while he cycles anavar, the acetaminophen from the vics is the killer on his liver, I also know a few big guy's which some also compete and are on opiates on a daily bases because of medical conditions, and it seems that it's not effecting their gym life that much they all look good, geared or not.
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It's irresponsible to suggest that he will be "OK" if he drops the the Vicodin and continues abusing the Morphine. Opiates abuse only degrades any benefit he would see from an AAS cycle anyway. Optiates are prescribed for short-term use, as they are very habitforming. I don't agree with your assessment of the situation.....he's an addict and he needs help.

end of rant.

DIV

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i have taken norco and morphine tabs while on but quit when i stopped lifting because of health. as many know i had pancrease diease and lived in pain and needed the pain killers for real reasons. i and this maybe stupid took steriods to try to keep up my weight as the diesae got worse. it was an endless spiral that ended for good when i received a whipple procedure this past May and spent 8 weeks out of work and 4 in the hospital having my pancrease removed ( 75% of it) and my stomache and intestines moved as well. my liver values were never bad during any of the pain killers and steriods and to be 1000% honest because of the diesase the steriods did very little for me and i still ended up being down 40 pounds. i went back to the gym this past week and now weigh 158 so since I got out of the hospital i have gained abck 18 pounds. i never had other than stones kidney issues but again my use of both was for a very good reason.
 
hmmm, i don't get this post. how can you work out when high on vicodin or morphine? wouldn't you be too out of your mind to even want to? where does this "friend" even get this stuff? what kind of morphine are you talking about: oxycontin? heroin? percodan? i am not convinced this a legitimate post, but one to just get attention.
 
if meant towards me i was trying to keep weight on during the battle. many here can tell you what i went through as over the years many saw me in the hospital. in my case the morphine was 10 mg sulfate solu-tabs. gets to the point when you really need pain killers you take them and can function as I did. i neevr missed work unles in the hospital and traveled very often. his freind appears to be addicted and i used them for real reasons
 
not that many "shitloads" of websites that sell narcotics. it is easier to get AAS than narcotics. but i have been wrong before.
 
Adam wj said:
you can get gear can't you?

there are sources for everything bro

shitloads of Rx sites out there
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sorry......but you really booted this one, NOMAHHHHH! :p

I haven't seen a site yet that sells Scheduled Narcotics.....

Morphine, Oxycontin etc....

You show me the site and I'll believe that shit......but believe me, it is highly illegal and they would be under so much scrutiny from the Feds that they wouldn't last long....

Narcotics are the priority for the Feds......AAS are a distant 4th or 5th.....

DIV

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i guess anything is possible. maybe there are black market narcotic dealers online like there are black market steroid dealers. this sounds too risky even for the net.

what an expensive and loserish way to live your life though, running around doing morphine and vicodin. it doesn't even sound fun. (and i am NOT talking about people in chronic pain or with a terrible disease).
 
why not just get a loaded revolver and stick 3 bullets into 3 of the six chambers spinn that bitch and try his luck that way. maybe he will get luck and make it
 
First, morphine is not a schedule I drug, it is schedule II, just like Percocet, Percodan, OxyContin, Oramorph SR, Duragesic, and the list goes on.

Also, opiates aren't really associated with hepatotoxicity and will not likely elevate liver enzyme values as would an oral steroid.

Should you take them together? No. However, people with chronic pain can take high doses of narcotics and function normally - even work out. However, unless this guy has chronic pain, he is an addict and this will only get worse. If he is your friend then I am sorry, but he needs help. The list of problems is long and probably familiar but one day he will likely mix the opiates with alcohol, take an extra dose when he feels down or get a hot dose from a street source and he will be gone. Its harsh but that's what a lot of addicts do.
 
DIVISION said:
sorry......but you really booted this one, NOMAHHHHH! :p

I haven't seen a site yet that sells Scheduled Narcotics.....

Morphine, Oxycontin etc....

You show me the site and I'll believe that shit......but believe me, it is highly illegal and they would be under so much scrutiny from the Feds that they wouldn't last long....

Narcotics are the priority for the Feds......AAS are a distant 4th or 5th.....
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DIV

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Snarf I had to have a special script form for the morphine. i also had the same form for oxy after my hospital surgery stay however never for norco, percocet, vicadin etc.
 
flexed1 said:
Snarf I had to have a special script form for the morphine. i also had the same form for oxy after my hospital surgery stay however never for norco, percocet, vicadin etc.
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Thats strange because oxycontin is in fact pure sustained release oxycodone and percocet is oxycodone with acetaminophen in it both of which are a Schedule 2 controlled substance. Percocet and Oxycontin both require a triplicate prescription. Hydrocodone(Vicodin,Norco) is a schedule 3 controlled substance and can be written on a regular script. I'm not flaming you, I'm only saying that I find it weird that you didn't need a triplicate for the Percocet.

As to the original post. Morphine is NOT hard on the liver. The only reason that Vicodin is, is because of the acetaminophen in it. By no means am I condoning drug abuse, I used to be addicted to opiates, and have been clean for almost 3yrs now. As far as using opiates together with weight training, there have been studies that show that opiates effect protein synthesis or something to that nature, I'm not sure.

I DO know that it makes you less able to absorb nutrients through the digestive tract do to the fact that it dialates your intestines and also causes them to become sluggish so that food doesn't move along properly,(well that and your intestines start to suck the water out of your feces which in turn makes them dry and the end result is CONSTIPATION. Take my word for it I became totally dependent on laxatives. I was a hardcore user popped 60 vicodin a day on the average. Then I moved on to the oxycontin, then methadone, then dilaudid. ANYWAYS my point is that using the opiates during a cycle will hinder his gains and if he uses the vicodin, the acetaminophen could cause problems. The only thing that will change your friend is him.

What got me out of it was getting beat down by a 220lb guy while I was weighin 134lb. I walked up hit him then the next thing I knew I was getting my head stomped. After the next few days I looked in the mirror and was ashamed of what I'd become, I had lost all self respect and respect of others, I didn't have any friends anymore either. I decided I'd try one more detox facility( I had been through 6 rehabs before that) anyway's I got clean and a freind of mine suggested I go to the gym with him and that has been my salvation eversince. The gym is what keeps me sober. I'm no angel I do get fucked up maybe twice a month but drugs no longer run my life because of what happened.

Maybe you guys should beat his ass, hell it worked for me. I don't know what satchboogie is thinking but I think this question belongs here. I mean were all supposed to be here to share information and help each other out....right? At least thats why I'm on this site.
 
androjunkie said:
I don't know what satchboogie is thinking but I think this question belongs here. I mean were all supposed to be here to share information and help each other out....right? At least thats why I'm on this site.
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I can see Satch's concern in that it IS a highly abused drug that tends to attract the wrong kind of attention...:(

And threads like this tend to take an ugly turn when someone starts saying things like I get them from this and that site, and I get them for this much and, so on...
(you get my point)...Its sort of like price check threads...
 
The Terminator said:
I can see Satch's concern in that it IS a highly abused drug that tends to attract the wrong kind of attention...:(

And threads like this tend to take an ugly turn when someone starts saying things like I get them from this and that site, and I get them for this much and, so on...
(you get my point)...Its sort of like price check threads...
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I see where your coming from. If it turns that way well then thats what we have mods here for.
 
i know this girl who had a script for all that shit, the morphine strained her kidneys so bad i had to rush to the EMERGENCY ROOM FOR dialasys (sp) th edma was OUT OF CONTROL on that shit her ankles where the size of her quads, now for the percocet she didnt get as bloated on it but after being constipated for about 2 weeks then shitting blood she fianlly gave in and went to the er again. only to be prescribed lasix @ 80mg ed, this shit goes deeper and deeper...see my point? she doesnt even use gear...imagine if she did use orals and gead....that garbage has no place in bodybuilding
 
there are a few sources for such items out there, although not nearly as easy to come by as AAS. But they most definitely exist ;)




DIVISION said:
sorry......but you really booted this one, NOMAHHHHH! :p

I haven't seen a site yet that sells Scheduled Narcotics.....

Morphine, Oxycontin etc....

You show me the site and I'll believe that shit......but believe me, it is highly illegal and they would be under so much scrutiny from the Feds that they wouldn't last long....

Narcotics are the priority for the Feds......AAS are a distant 4th or 5th.....

DIV

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satchboogie said:
this is totally absurd and very idiotic!!!!

and stupid too!

and why the fuck would anybody use morhpine unless they had a serious medical condition (like late stages of cancer)...

get the fuck outta here..
nobody wants to see this shit on elite.

am i alone here bros??
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Nope, I agree 100%. Dude your friend is an idiot, and like Satch said I hope this thread gets nuked quick.
 
The Terminator said:
And threads like this tend to take an ugly turn when someone starts saying things like I get them from this and that site, and I get them for this much and, so on...
(you get my point)...Its sort of like price check threads...
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:)
 
the special csript i mentioned i guess is called a triplicate? it was on a green page as i recall. for sure the morphine and oxyi was on this pad. maybe the percocet was but it was a while for that one. and morphine for cancer only? are you insane? how many car accident folks in very bad shape with limb damage are given morphine? how many folks with like me pancreettis are given morphine drips? mine were tabs but during an attack would help me through the attack. granted i hated the shit but i took it when i needed to. i am allergic or cant take demarol, toradol, nubain, and another strong pain killer in an iv and my only choice was morphine.

anybody who thinks a person with a real diease who takes morphine or any other pain killer and can'r finction as a normal person i s very very wrong.
 
i disagree this thread has gotten or is getting ugly. kind of informative actually.

flexed1 i had oral surgery a couple years ago and periodontist prescribed percoset in "triplicate" for post op pain. i guess one copy goes to some agency that tracks narcotic prescriptions.

i remember when i took percosets i felt fantastic! and just wanted to hang around the house and enjoy the high. i can see why people can get addicted to these things. i wouldn't have gone to the gym on them though.
 
flexed1 said:
the special csript i mentioned i guess is called a triplicate? it was on a green page as i recall. for sure the morphine and oxyi was on this pad. maybe the percocet was but it was a while for that one. and morphine for cancer only? are you insane? how many car accident folks in very bad shape with limb damage are given morphine? how many folks with like me pancreettis are given morphine drips? mine were tabs but during an attack would help me through the attack. granted i hated the shit but i took it when i needed to. i am allergic or cant take demarol, toradol, nubain, and another strong pain killer in an iv and my only choice was morphine.

anybody who thinks a person with a real diease who takes morphine or any other pain killer and can'r finction as a normal person i s very very wrong.
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Flexed, what happened to your pancreas? Did it have anything to do with AS usage?
 
Excellent Stack!

Try this:

Anavar 50mg ed 25weeks
Vicodine 7.5mg 3x ed weeks 1-12
Take in as much morphine as possible weeks 13-25
follow up with standard pct

GL!
 
Flexedl, you should have your friend read this thread. When he sees all this input, then maybe that might open his eyes a bit......if he doesn't get mad at you of course.
Then again, it's for his own good. So getting mad at you will only be temporary.
 
I went through opiate addiction in 1993, I was on these drug's for 10 year's it nearly killed me, I have been clean over 11year's. I would do cycles and wonder why I could never get any bigger, just fucking insane thinking. Your friend need's help and he's the only one that can help himself it is very serous problem if he 's using everyday, the withdrawal is brutal, I was in a treatment center for 17 day's.
 
flexed1 said:
Snarf I had to have a special script form for the morphine. i also had the same form for oxy after my hospital surgery stay however never for norco, percocet, vicadin etc.
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Most states, including Texas, require a special form for a CII narcotic. There are more stringent prescirbing guidelines federally mandated for these drugs. For example, your doc can only write for a 30 day supply and can't call a script into the pharmacy like they would an antibiotic. The regs vary a little state by state. Percocet is also a CII like your morphine and OxyContin. It contains oxycodone, like OxyCOntin which is also equipotent to morphine.

For CIII narcotics (Vicodin, Lortab, Lorcet, etc) they can write these on a regular Rx pad with fewer restrictions.

Hope this helps.
 
Morphine is schedule II and is as available as deca or the rest, the problem is drug addiction. Your friend would do well to seek treatment.
 
I know I have been rather low key on the boards of late, but I dont beleive the intended function of EF is for the discussion of recreational drugs.
 
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