Anaphylactic shock, Anaphylaxis, what to have around when taking a shot.

[F_ed_in_the_A]

Just took sixth cycle using clean British Dragon and wanted to bring this up for newbies or anyone who might have experienced the same as I.

With my very first shot, I felt nothing, but over a few years(only about one, maybe two cycle a year) I got what seemed to be an abscess. Because I keep everything very, very sterile, I figured it was an oil abscess, just needing more time to absorb. Eventually ended up in doctors office getting about 300 bucks worth of antibiotics and corticosteroids shot into the spot.

So seven months pass, I do my normal cycle with two weeks Anadrol 50, bringing in Sust 250 in end of week one at a dose of 750 per week. This sust 250 is the hospital grade ampules, pain to open, but smooth. Then, after eight weeks, jumped over to Primobolan(from a very rep source). New lot of the old good stuff before company went down, next morning I felt like crap. Blood pressure was at 86/40. Turns out, I was slowly getting more sensitive to a preservative and we slowly going into shock. Slowly going into shock is called Anaphylaxis and can happen over a few days. Meaning you will die in four days instead of two minutes like anaphylactic shock.

FIRST HINT YOU MIGHT WANT TO SWITCH BRANDS:
--Even if you feel great, sometimes your chest feels heavy, like you put on too much weight too fast. This happened with every injection, but it was so mild I thought it was just part of the side-effects. Don't kid yourself, anyone who takes this stuff for the first time doesn't know what to expect no matter how much research.
--After shot, sore for more than three days, or the shot area feels more like a knot compared to previous injections you've done. It is a small difference, so you have to pay attention.
--A small red ring around injection site that vanishes after a few minutes.

SECOND SIGN (usually as the body becomes more sensitive to the allergen):
--Feel like crap the next day.
--Way past sore at injection site.
--Lower than it should be blood pressure. (if you're taking test, you're bp should be above the 120/80 norm, so even being normal is a warning sign)
--Even joints are sore
--No energy
--Temperature.

WHEN THIS HAPPENS, THIS IS NOT "TEST FEVER", GO TO WALGREENS, SAFEWAY, ANYWHERE YOU CAN GET A PRIMATINE MIST INHALER. THIS HAS EPINEPHRINE IN IT, LIKE AN EPI-PIN, YOU SHOULD FEEL RELIEF WITHIN ABOUT A MINUTE.
-USE INHALER ONCE, WAIT AND IF NEEDED ONLY A SECOND TIME FIVE MINUTES LATER.
-IF THIS HELPS, REMEMBER THAT THE OIL WILL BE IN YOUR BODY FOR AT LEAST A FEW DAYS, AS WILL THE PRESERVATIVES THAT CAUSE THE REACTION, SO KEEP THE INHALER AROUND AND TAKE A PUFF NO MORE THAN ONCE IN MORNING AND ONCE AT NIGHT. DON'T TOUCH THE SAME STUFF AGAIN, PERIOD!


THIS SAVED MY LIFE WHICH IS WHY I'M POSTING IT AND ALTHOUGH REACTING TO PRESERVATIVES IN ANY OIL-BASED STEROID IS VERY, VERY RARE, ANYONE SHOOTING SHOULD HAVE AN INHALER NEARBY OR BETTER YET AN EPI-PIN IF THE AIRWAYS CLOSE TOO FAST(CAN TAKE LESS THAN A MINUTE).

IF THE REACTION IS BAD ENOUGH AFTER A SHOT, TAKE A HIT OF THE INHALER, KEEPING THE WINDPIPES OPEN. YOU WILL KNOW IF IT IS BAD ENOUGH THAT EVEN THE INHALER ISN'T HELPING. IT IS NOT A CURE BUT IT WILL, HOWEVER, KEEP YOU ALIVE LONG ENOUGH TO GET TO A HOSPITAL, GET AN EPINEPHRINE PIN INJECTION AND GET WATCHED BY A DOCTOR. BE HONEST, AS THEY MAY GIVE YOU A FEW MORE PINS UNTIL THE STUFF WORKS ITS WAY OUT OF YOUR SYSTEM.

Just remember that this is just information that not everyone knows and it can save your life. My temp was at 103.5 with blood pressure that would make a corpse move more than I could. If this ever does happen, TOTALLY avoid the same company, no matter what the med(Sust, Primo, Whinny, Cypionate) because it isn't the easter you're reacting too, nor the horomones, but the preservative they use in every oil.

Never let your cycle push you towards another shot. You can always wait an extra week or two and switch to a new company or pills to finish your cycle.

This is serious stuff, so I hope this helps a few people from keeling over and dying.

For anyone new to thinking about steroids, this is 99% unlikely, so don't be scared away, just be aware, prepared and always respect the drugs you're taking.

Long post, so sorry, but I had to post it as I'm glad to be here writing it.

Best wishes to everyone here and safe journeys towards all our goals and dreams,

Kirk

 

[wzkid]

Damn bro, thats some serious stuff. Glad you are still with us!

Good post!

 

[F_ed_in_the_A]

Damn bro, thats some serious stuff. Glad you are still with us!

Good post!

Thanks, me too.

 

[tippin]

Dude, that was heavy. Thank GOD that you're alright. I remember when I had a bad shot expierance with some Tren one time. I thought I was going to die. I kept coughing and sweating profusiously, and couldn't catch my breath. I was having to debate calling 911 or should I wait. Luckly, I waited and after a few minutes I was alright. Scared the crap out of me though. Thanks for the tip on the inhaler. Think I'll go out and get one just in case.

 

[THE GOOD SUN]

OMG!

by your reaction ...you'd really shit yourself if you ever experienced TR.EN cough

I'm never injecting again


...good info to help counter an anaphylactic reaction though

 

[samoth]

Interesting post, but a couple questions: Doesn't Primatine Mist contain ephedrine? I didn't think you could sell any form of pure ephinephrine over the counter. Also, you haven't really said what anaphylactic shock and anaphylaxis actually are. What is exactly causing the shock within the system (what is the unknown preservative doing?), and why would it potentially lead to death? (Is death the limiting case or the natural progression?) Further, do you not think it ill-advised to recommend anyone not feeling exactly "right" to stab themselves with an epi-pen? Should not people should only use those when given directions from a doctor? I know those things make you go from feeling bad to feeling worse, lol, but some people also carry an allergy or reaction to epinephrine itself, which could be an additional risk.

Am I correct in assuming that the body's reaction to the unknown preservative is not unlike those who experience a dire reaction to bee stings that can lead to death, as they experience the same effects and also carry epi-pens with them?

 

[holy ghost]

more BD bashing lol

 

[ALIN]

Ive never heard of this happening with anyone Ive known ever. Scary stuff.

 

[bigtbone]

Interesting post, but a couple questions: Doesn't Primatine Mist contain ephedrine? I didn't think you could sell any form of pure ephinephrine over the counter. Also, you haven't really said what anaphylactic shock and anaphylaxis actually are. What is exactly causing the shock within the system (what is the unknown preservative doing?), and why would it potentially lead to death? (Is death the limiting case or the natural progression?) Further, do you not think it ill-advised to recommend anyone not feeling exactly "right" to stab themselves with an epi-pen? Should not people should only use those when given directions from a doctor? I know those things make you go from feeling bad to feeling worse, lol, but some people also carry an allergy or reaction to epinephrine itself, which could be an additional risk.

Am I correct in assuming that the body's reaction to the unknown preservative is not unlike those who experience a dire reaction to bee stings that can lead to death, as they experience the same effects and also carry epi-pens with them?

Anaphylaxis is an multi-system hypersensitivity allergic reaction which occurs when exposed to an trigger substance (something one has been exposed to in the past and has become sensitized to, i.e. allergic, although may not have had any symptoms with primary exposure).

Anaphylactic shock is simply severe anaphylaxis which causes one to go into shock. Histamines and prostaglandins are released from mast cells which cause edema and constriction/narrowing of the bronchi in the lungs (making it difficult and sometimes impossible to breath). These inflammatory mediators also cause systemic vasodilation which results in sudden and possibly deadly drop in blood pressure. The results of being unable to get air into the lungs are obvious. The result of severe hypotension is that you don't have enough pressure to get blood to the vital organs neccessary for life, including the brain.

Bottom line: if your throat starts closing off and you can't breath, call 911 and stick yourself with an Epipen if you have one. I keep an Epipen and an Epipen Jr in all of my cars and at home. I'm a physician though, so I feel comfortable using them.

 

[Hybridtheory2o]

Jesus...Should I be scared..this is making me really fear my first cycle.

 

[Powerbuilder333]

Jesus...Should I be scared..this is making me really fear my first cycle.

No.
But it is one more thing to consider?
I've never heard of gear having preservitives in it per say. Alcohol yes, to kill bacteria, but that's really not a preservitive, and has been used my millions without incident.
My under educated opinion is be aware of the symtoms listed, and if you have respitory stress try the inhaler route, but if your throat is swelling shut 911 is the only way to go.

 

[F_ed_in_the_A]

No.
But it is one more thing to consider?
I've never heard of gear having preservitives in it per say. Alcohol yes, to kill bacteria, but that's really not a preservitive, and has been used my millions without incident.
My under educated opinion is be aware of the symtoms listed, and if you have respitory stress try the inhaler route, but if your throat is swelling shut 911 is the only way to go.

Great advice. As for this being a common thing, as I said in the post, things like Primobolan is attatched with a test-enanthate bond. What causes the reaction is what else can be in any underground lab produced good. Just go with the best, which British Dragon was known to be. They probably just had something in the air that was an allergen to me personally.

The main thing is that any underground lab, no matter how safe or clean the claim to be, if you saw how professional grade shots are prepared at a hospital, these labs aren't even close. Many do use some preservatives, even colors, but a reaction like mine is rare to the point that the only reason I even posted it was so that people would always be prepared. If your throat starts swelling, an inhaler will get you to a phone to call 911, so its a good thing to have, not to plan on having to use it.

Just be educated and again, respect anything powerful enough to effect your body. As for the Mod post about not explaining Anaphylactic Shock or Anaphylaxis, this post was to help people experiencing anything like what I went through and if others were interested, just type it in google to get as detailed info as you'd like. Also to the Mod post, this is the very same reaction as some have when allergic to bee stings or penuts.

To finish this off, please don't freak out if you're going on your first cycle. Just be aware and educated. Check out the great posts the Mods and other long-time users have to say. You'll find that this is nothing to be worried about and that with respect and patience, AAS can really enhance your wellbeing and life.

Take care everyone and thanks for reading the post.
Best wishes,
Kirk

 

[centy]

Anaphylactic shock is no joke. Indeed.

I got it once when I worked at a seafood restaurant. I'd eaten oysters all my life, but suddenly became allergic to them. Within minutes of eating some, I was redder than the goddamn lobsters. I left work and drove to a pharmacy, grabbed a box of Benadryl and was chewing them up by the handful while in line at the cash register. Shit was getting worse, airway was closing up, etc. Drove to the hospital and got there just in time as I collapsed in the ER. They gave me an adrenaline shot. (Wow. Talk about a rush) They told me I would have died in about 15 more minutes.

Now I keep an Epi-pen handy.

It's very important to listen to your body. Anytime you are introducing anything foreign into the body, the possibility for an allergic reaction exists. Better safe than sorry. (Good injection hygiene is important in this regard also.)

Great post / great advice kirkenmiller

 

[702daswoll1]

Interesting post, but a couple questions: Doesn't Primatine Mist contain ephedrine? I didn't think you could sell any form of pure ephinephrine over the counter. Also, you haven't really said what anaphylactic shock and anaphylaxis actually are. What is exactly causing the shock within the system (what is the unknown preservative doing?), and why would it potentially lead to death? (Is death the limiting case or the natural progression?) Further, do you not think it ill-advised to recommend anyone not feeling exactly "right" to stab themselves with an epi-pen? Should not people should only use those when given directions from a doctor? I know those things make you go from feeling bad to feeling worse, lol, but some people also carry an allergy or reaction to epinephrine itself, which could be an additional risk.

Am I correct in assuming that the body's reaction to the unknown preservative is not unlike those who experience a dire reaction to bee stings that can lead to death, as they experience the same effects and also carry epi-pens with them?

Primatene mist contains epinephrine not ephedrine.

 

[Pat_McCrotch]

Great advice. As for this being a common thing, as I said in the post, things like Primobolan is attatched with a test-enanthate bond. What causes the reaction is what else can be in any underground lab produced good. Just go with the best, which British Dragon was known to be. They probably just had something in the air that was an allergen to me personally.

The main thing is that any underground lab, no matter how safe or clean the claim to be, if you saw how professional grade shots are prepared at a hospital, these labs aren't even close. Many do use some preservatives, even colors, but a reaction like mine is rare to the point that the only reason I even posted it was so that people would always be prepared. If your throat starts swelling, an inhaler will get you to a phone to call 911, so its a good thing to have, not to plan on having to use it.

Just be educated and again, respect anything powerful enough to effect your body. As for the Mod post about not explaining Anaphylactic Shock or Anaphylaxis, this post was to help people experiencing anything like what I went through and if others were interested, just type it in google to get as detailed info as you'd like. Also to the Mod post, this is the very same reaction as some have when allergic to bee stings or penuts.

To finish this off, please don't freak out if you're going on your first cycle. Just be aware and educated. Check out the great posts the Mods and other long-time users have to say. You'll find that this is nothing to be worried about and that with respect and patience, anabolic androgenic steroids can really enhance your wellbeing and life.

Take care everyone and thanks for reading the post.
Best wishes,
Kirk

Where did you take your initial blood pressure? Walgreens, CVS?

 

[Pat_McCrotch]

Primatene mist contains epinephrine not ephedrine.

So over the counter products now contain epi? Hmmph. That can be a very dangerous product.

 

[sincere81oo0]

all i have to say is wow

 

[lmm23]

You don't even need to use a product once to become sensitised to it in order to have a reaction. At one stage, I didn't really think twice about taking anything. Once I took adenosine to increase aerobic capacity, and my blood pressure dropped catastrophically within 25 seconds, my throat started closing over. Called an ambulance; the doctor looked at me when I told him what I'd taken like I was fucking idiot (rightly so!). It did say on the packet that animals given the drug in the past have been known to go into anaphylactic shock. Stupid.

 

[Pat_McCrotch]

You don't even need to use a product once to become sensitised to it in order to have a reaction. At one stage, I didn't really think twice about taking anything. Once I took adenosine to increase aerobic capacity, and my blood pressure dropped catastrophically within 25 seconds, my throat started closing over. Called an ambulance; the doctor looked at me when I told him what I'd taken like I was fucking idiot (rightly so!). It did say on the packet that animals given the drug in the past have been known to go into anaphylactic shock. Stupid.

Wait hold up now. you took adenisone? Was it pharmaceutical or was it some OTC product with that name on it?

 

[Pat_McCrotch]

Just took sixth cycle using clean British Dragon and wanted to bring this up for newbies or anyone who might have experienced the same as I.

With my very first shot, I felt nothing, but over a few years(only about one, maybe two cycle a year) I got what seemed to be an abscess. Because I keep everything very, very sterile, I figured it was an oil abscess, just needing more time to absorb. Eventually ended up in doctors office getting about 300 bucks worth of antibiotics and corticosteroids shot into the spot.

So seven months pass, I do my normal cycle with two weeks Anadrol 50, bringing in Sustanon 250 in end of week one at a dose of 750 per week. This Sustanon 250 is the hospital grade ampules, pain to open, but smooth. Then, after eight weeks, jumped over to Primobolan(from a very rep source). New lot of the old good stuff before company went down, next morning I felt like crap. Blood pressure was at 86/40. Turns out, I was slowly getting more sensitive to a preservative and we slowly going into shock. Slowly going into shock is called Anaphylaxis and can happen over a few days. [your definition of anaphylaxis is wrong. see bottom. Not flaming you just trying to educate because there is a lot of misinformation that goes on aroiund here. people take one little piece of info and run with it. That is very dangerous.
Meaning you will die in four days instead of two minutes like anaphylactic shock.

FIRST HINT YOU MIGHT WANT TO SWITCH BRANDS:
--Even if you feel great, sometimes your chest feels heavy, like you put on too much weight too fast. This happened with every injection, but it was so mild I thought it was just part of the side-effects. Don't kid yourself, anyone who takes this stuff for the first time doesn't know what to expect no matter how much research.
--After shot, sore for more than three days, or the shot area feels more like a knot compared to previous injections you've done.
it could be an abscess or just real thick gear. steroids hurts sometimes at the injection site. again not a sign of anaphylaxis

It is a small difference, so you have to pay attention.
--A small red ring around injection site that vanishes after a few minutes.
True this could be a localized reaction or maybe the skin is just irratated. it does not always mean and most of time does not mean its an allergic reaction. if it stays/grows and becomes itchy and an abscess has been ruled out then yes you may have a mild allergy to the any of the substances in the compound.undefinedundefined
SECOND SIGN (usually as the body becomes more sensitive to the allergen):
--Feel like crap the next day.
--Way past sore at injection site.
--Lower than it should be blood pressure. (if you're taking test, you're bp should be above the 120/80 norm, so even being normal is a warning sign)

Your incorrect here. Sure it will make some people BP go up but just because it drops down below 120/80 does not mean you are going into shock. if it drops down into the 80s systolic and stays then there is a reason to be concerned.
It very well could be and most likley is test flu.[
--Even joints are sore
--No energy
--Temperature.

WHEN THIS HAPPENS, THIS IS NOT "TEST FEVER", GO TO WALGREENS, SAFEWAY, ANYWHERE YOU CAN GET A PRIMATINE MIST INHALER. THIS HAS EPINEPHRINE IN IT, LIKE AN EPI-PIN, YOU SHOULD FEEL RELIEF WITHIN ABOUT A MINUTE.
-USE INHALER ONCE, WAIT AND IF NEEDED ONLY A SECOND TIME FIVE MINUTES LATER.

Are you in the medical field to be given advice like this? Where are you getting this info from on how much to take and give? How much Epi is in the mister? In order for epi to work for allergic reactions you nee a specific dose. i doubt the OTC inhaler has the apporporaite dose. if it did then it would not be OTC

-IF THIS HELPS, REMEMBER THAT THE OIL WILL BE IN YOUR BODY FOR AT LEAST A FEW DAYS, AS WILL THE PRESERVATIVES THAT CAUSE THE REACTION, SO KEEP THE INHALER AROUND AND TAKE A PUFF NO MORE THAN ONCE IN MORNING AND ONCE AT NIGHT. DON'T TOUCH THE SAME STUFF AGAIN, PERIOD!


THIS SAVED MY LIFE WHICH IS WHY I'M POSTING IT AND ALTHOUGH REACTING TO PRESERVATIVES IN ANY OIL-BASED STEROID IS VERY, VERY RARE, ANYONE SHOOTING SHOULD HAVE AN INHALER NEARBY OR BETTER YET AN EPI-PIN IF THE AIRWAYS CLOSE TOO FAST(CAN TAKE LESS THAN A MINUTE).

IF THE REACTION IS BAD ENOUGH AFTER A SHOT, TAKE A HIT OF THE INHALER, KEEPING THE WINDPIPES OPEN. YOU WILL KNOW IF IT IS BAD ENOUGH THAT EVEN THE INHALER ISN'T HELPING. IT IS NOT A CURE BUT IT WILL, HOWEVER, KEEP YOU ALIVE LONG ENOUGH TO GET TO A HOSPITAL, GET AN EPINEPHRINE PIN INJECTION AND GET WATCHED BY A DOCTOR. BE HONEST, AS THEY MAY GIVE YOU A FEW MORE PINS UNTIL THE STUFF WORKS ITS WAY OUT OF YOUR SYSTEM.

Just remember that this is just information that not everyone knows and it can save your life. My temp was at 103.5 with blood pressure that would make a corpse move more than I could. If this ever does happen, TOTALLY avoid the same company, no matter what the med(Sustanon, Primobolan - methenolone - , Whinny, Cypionate) because it isn't the easter you're reacting too, nor the horomones, but the preservative they use in every oil.

Your symptoms sound more like you became septic with the fever and the decrease in BP. But of course I wasnt there. Did you get a lot of IV fluids and IV antibiotics when you were in the hospital?


Never let your cycle push you towards another shot. You can always wait an extra week or two and switch to a new company or pills to finish your cycle.

This is serious stuff, so I hope this helps a few people from keeling over and dying.

For anyone new to thinking about steroids, this is 99% unlikely, so don't be scared away, just be aware, prepared and always respect the drugs you're taking.

Long post, so sorry, but I had to post it as I'm glad to be here writing it.

Best wishes to everyone here and safe journeys towards all our goals and dreams,

Kirk

Anaphylaxis is an acute systemic (multi-system) and severe Type I Hypersensitivity allergic reaction in humans and other mammals. Anaphylaxis occurs when a person or animal is exposed to a trigger substance


Anaphylactic shock, the most severe type of anaphylaxis, occurs when an allergic response triggers a quick release from mast cells of large quantities of immunological mediators (histamines, prostaglandins, leukotrienes) leading to systemic vasodilation (associated with a sudden drop in blood pressure) and edema of bronchial mucosa (resulting in bronchoconstriction and difficulty breathing). Anaphylactic shock can lead to death in a matter of minutes if left untreated.



The 2 definitions above were cut and pasted but what you are saying is wrong or maybe doesnt make sense to me about your definition of the two.


I was reading over this and I come across as an ASS HOLE. Not my intention at all and if i do i want to apologize. Thank you for sharing your experience adn we are all glad you are OK.

We just have to be carefule with the information we put out on here. People will have a reaction of some sort or an infection and come here for help and not seek medical treatment. The mister can and will give people on here not all but a lot of the NUBs a false sense of security. So becareful about the medical advice you give out unless you are a medical professional even then it needs to be kept to a bare minimum.

 

[Pat_McCrotch]

primatene has .22mg of epi in it. Not enough to really open your airways if your allergic reaction turns to anaphylaxis. You would be better off taking a benadryl or pepcid or tagament maybe even zantac which are all antihistamines. the latter three are h2 blockers which is why it works so well on heart burn.

 

[lmm23]

Wait hold up now. you took adenisone? Was it pharmaceutical or was it some OTC product with that name on it?

I bought the adenosine from a vets store on the internet!

 

[Pat_McCrotch]

I bought the adenosine from a vets store on the internet!

The only reason i ask is because adenosine in the ER is used to stop ones heart for a few seconds to allow it to restart on its own and go into a normal sinus rhythm. it is only used in people with SVT.

Or is the one you bought used or is believed to work on the ATP cycle?

 

[gjohnson5]

Basically if one is rushed to the hospital with an allergic reaction that is life threatening , they are given IV magnesium sulfate which should stop the anaplaxsis. You can get IV grade magnesium sulfate and take a few drops sublingually. This is the way the enviornmental doctors treat severe allergic reactions.

Make the gear from powder and use an unrefined oil which can easily be found at the whole foods store. The unrefined oil contains no preservatives so that should eliminate that from the picture...

Try again

Just took sixth cycle using clean British Dragon and wanted to bring this up for newbies or anyone who might have experienced the same as I.

With my very first shot, I felt nothing, but over a few years(only about one, maybe two cycle a year) I got what seemed to be an abscess. Because I keep everything very, very sterile, I figured it was an oil abscess, just needing more time to absorb. Eventually ended up in doctors office getting about 300 bucks worth of antibiotics and corticosteroids shot into the spot.

So seven months pass, I do my normal cycle with two weeks Anadrol 50, bringing in Sustanon 250 in end of week one at a dose of 750 per week. This Sustanon 250 is the hospital grade ampules, pain to open, but smooth. Then, after eight weeks, jumped over to Primobolan(from a very rep source). New lot of the old good stuff before company went down, next morning I felt like crap. Blood pressure was at 86/40. Turns out, I was slowly getting more sensitive to a preservative and we slowly going into shock. Slowly going into shock is called Anaphylaxis and can happen over a few days. Meaning you will die in four days instead of two minutes like anaphylactic shock.

FIRST HINT YOU MIGHT WANT TO SWITCH BRANDS:
--Even if you feel great, sometimes your chest feels heavy, like you put on too much weight too fast. This happened with every injection, but it was so mild I thought it was just part of the side-effects. Don't kid yourself, anyone who takes this stuff for the first time doesn't know what to expect no matter how much research.
--After shot, sore for more than three days, or the shot area feels more like a knot compared to previous injections you've done. It is a small difference, so you have to pay attention.
--A small red ring around injection site that vanishes after a few minutes.

SECOND SIGN (usually as the body becomes more sensitive to the allergen):
--Feel like crap the next day.
--Way past sore at injection site.
--Lower than it should be blood pressure. (if you're taking test, you're bp should be above the 120/80 norm, so even being normal is a warning sign)
--Even joints are sore
--No energy
--Temperature.

WHEN THIS HAPPENS, THIS IS NOT "TEST FEVER", GO TO WALGREENS, SAFEWAY, ANYWHERE YOU CAN GET A PRIMATINE MIST INHALER. THIS HAS EPINEPHRINE IN IT, LIKE AN EPI-PIN, YOU SHOULD FEEL RELIEF WITHIN ABOUT A MINUTE.
-USE INHALER ONCE, WAIT AND IF NEEDED ONLY A SECOND TIME FIVE MINUTES LATER.
-IF THIS HELPS, REMEMBER THAT THE OIL WILL BE IN YOUR BODY FOR AT LEAST A FEW DAYS, AS WILL THE PRESERVATIVES THAT CAUSE THE REACTION, SO KEEP THE INHALER AROUND AND TAKE A PUFF NO MORE THAN ONCE IN MORNING AND ONCE AT NIGHT. DON'T TOUCH THE SAME STUFF AGAIN, PERIOD!


THIS SAVED MY LIFE WHICH IS WHY I'M POSTING IT AND ALTHOUGH REACTING TO PRESERVATIVES IN ANY OIL-BASED STEROID IS VERY, VERY RARE, ANYONE SHOOTING SHOULD HAVE AN INHALER NEARBY OR BETTER YET AN EPI-PIN IF THE AIRWAYS CLOSE TOO FAST(CAN TAKE LESS THAN A MINUTE).

IF THE REACTION IS BAD ENOUGH AFTER A SHOT, TAKE A HIT OF THE INHALER, KEEPING THE WINDPIPES OPEN. YOU WILL KNOW IF IT IS BAD ENOUGH THAT EVEN THE INHALER ISN'T HELPING. IT IS NOT A CURE BUT IT WILL, HOWEVER, KEEP YOU ALIVE LONG ENOUGH TO GET TO A HOSPITAL, GET AN EPINEPHRINE PIN INJECTION AND GET WATCHED BY A DOCTOR. BE HONEST, AS THEY MAY GIVE YOU A FEW MORE PINS UNTIL THE STUFF WORKS ITS WAY OUT OF YOUR SYSTEM.

Just remember that this is just information that not everyone knows and it can save your life. My temp was at 103.5 with blood pressure that would make a corpse move more than I could. If this ever does happen, TOTALLY avoid the same company, no matter what the med(Sust, Primobolan - methenolone - , Whinny, Cypionate) because it isn't the easter you're reacting too, nor the horomones, but the preservative they use in every oil.

Never let your cycle push you towards another shot. You can always wait an extra week or two and switch to a new company or pills to finish your cycle.

This is serious stuff, so I hope this helps a few people from keeling over and dying.

For anyone new to thinking about steroids, this is 99% unlikely, so don't be scared away, just be aware, prepared and always respect the drugs you're taking.

Long post, so sorry, but I had to post it as I'm glad to be here writing it.

Best wishes to everyone here and safe journeys towards all our goals and dreams,

Kirk

 

[lmm23]

The only reason i ask is because adenosine in the ER is used to stop ones heart for a few seconds to allow it to restart on its own and go into a normal sinus rhythm. it is only used in people with SVT.

Or is the one you bought used or is believed to work on the ATP cycle?

Originally what I had started out wanting was adenosine monophosphate for ATP synthesis, and then being chemically unaware I stumbled on adenosine and thought that was it. When I got it, it became clear it was something very different. So I researched it and, in the context of the Vet store in which I bought it, what came back was that it was a 'cardiac dilator' used when greyhounds are due to perform extreme exercise. I thought that would be interesting. But, I'm now painfully aware of its use in medicine. The doctor said, notwithstanding my reaction, that he tells his patients who need it in emergencies that they will feel as though they are going to die. He said I would have died if I'd caught a vein.

Fuck adenosine. I was such an idiot years ago. I'm trying to get back into things now, and thought I should learn what I'm doing now! No more halotestin, anavar, d'bol cycles (with no PCT) either!! It's scary what you can do to yourself without the prerequisite knowledge to accompany relatively easy to acquire compounds!

One thing about epinephrine, don't take too much. I came across someone with a nut allergy, who was supposed to use two epi-pens, but still felt bad and took a third. He would have survived but the overdose of adrenaline killed him!

 

[Pat_McCrotch]

Originally what I had started out wanting was adenosine monophosphate for ATP synthesis, and then being chemically unaware I stumbled on adenosine and thought that was it. When I got it, it became clear it was something very different. So I researched it and, in the context of the Vet store in which I bought it, what came back was that it was a 'cardiac dilator' used when greyhounds are due to perform extreme exercise. I thought that would be interesting. But, I'm now painfully aware of its use in medicine. The doctor said, notwithstanding my reaction, that he tells his patients who need it in emergencies that they will feel as though they are going to die. He said I would have died if I'd caught a vein.

Fuck adenosine. I was such an idiot years ago. I'm trying to get back into things now, and thought I should learn what I'm doing now! No more halotestin, anavar, d'bol cycles (with no PCT - post cycle therapy - ) either!! It's scary what you can do to yourself without the prerequisite knowledge to accompany relatively easy to acquire compounds!

One thing about epinephrine, don't take too much. I came across someone with a nut allergy, who was supposed to use two epi-pens, but still felt bad and took a third. He would have survived but the overdose of adrenaline killed him!

That sucks. sorry to hear about your friend.

 

[Pat_McCrotch]

Basically if one is rushed to the hospital with an allergic reaction that is life threatening , they are given IV magnesium sulfate which should stop the anaplaxsis. You can get IV grade magnesium sulfate and take a few drops sublingually. This is the way the enviornmental doctors treat severe allergic reactions.

Make the gear from powder and use an unrefined oil which can easily be found at the whole foods store. The unrefined oil contains no preservatives so that should eliminate that from the picture...

Try again

Very intresting. How does mag sulfate help with allergic reactions? I will have to ask one of MDs about that. I have never heard if that. Give me some more info if ya got it bro.

 

[centy]

One thing about epinephrine, don't take too much. I came across someone with a nut allergy, who was supposed to use two epi-pens, but still felt bad and took a third. He would have survived but the overdose of adrenaline killed him!

Wow, that's nuts. They tell you to call 911 before you jab yourself with the epi-pen because chances are good you will pass out from the rush. It is definately a very powerful substance. I've done a lot of stupid recreational crap in my times but never had a rush like from pure adrenaline. It's like getting badly startled multiplied by 1000. I felt like Johnny Depp with the adrenochrome in Fear & Loathing In Las Vegas .

 

[gjohnson5]

Epinephrine is well tolerated but some can be hypersensitive to epinephrine as well

http://circ.ahajournals.org/cgi/content/full/112/24_suppl/IV-139

Magnesium sulfate will relax he muscles that are constricting blocking airflow

Very intresting. How does mag sulfate help with allergic reactions? I will have to ask one of MDs about that. I have never heard if that. Give me some more info if ya got it bro.

 

[Pat_McCrotch]

true it does relax but this maybe a secondary drug once the fron t line drugs are used, like epi, solumedrol, benadryl, racemic epi, pepcid/tagament/zantac.

 

[gjohnson5]

umm no...

the first thing to do is to restore breathing in the case of anaphlaxsis

true it does relax but this maybe a secondary drug once the fron t line drugs are used, like epi, solumedrol, benadryl, racemic epi, pepcid/tagament/zantac.

 

[Pat_McCrotch]

Yea but there are other meds that work faster. The fastest safest rate 2gm of mag sulfate can go in is roughly 15 minutes. Epi is the better choice as well as benadryl, and a steroid. anyways, I dont geuss it really matters on here. lol. I have a lot of respect for you Gjohnson. You give great info on here.

I think my uncle lives in or near farifax bro. Is leesburg near you?

 

[gjohnson5]

No it really doesn't matter on here. The problem is that is epi an incitant itself. You shouldn't (atleast the emergency services shouldn't) be giving a drug that has risks of hypersensitivity to one who is already having anaphlaxsis... You'd kill them trying to help them recover. This is why the environmental doctors don't use it.

Anyway Leesburg is a good ways from Fairfax. Probably 5-7 miles up fairfax co parkway and some 30 miles of so w on Leesburg Pike

Yea but there are other meds that work faster. The fastest safest rate 2gm of mag sulfate can go in is roughly 15 minutes. Epi is the better choice as well as benadryl, and a steroid. anyways, I dont geuss it really matters on here. lol. I have a lot of respect for you Gjohnson. You give great info on here.

I think my uncle lives in or near farifax bro. Is leesburg near you?

 

[mattdan]

Interesting post, but a couple questions: Doesn't Primatine Mist contain ephedrine?

Not ephedrine, epinephrine.

Epi is the medical term for synthetic adrenalin. That is why an epi pen is called an epi pen. It's short for epinephrine.

 

[samoth]

Not ephedrine, epinephrine.

Epi is the medical term for synthetic adrenalin. That is why an epi pen is called an epi pen. It's short for epinephrine.

No, I was questioning the OP's comment wherein he purported purchase of Primatine mist because it contained epinephrine. Primatine contains ephedrine, no?

Doesn't Primatine Mist contain ephedrine? I didn't think you could sell any form of pure ephinephrine over the counter.

 

[gjohnson5]

Supposedly it's been phased out since 05. But it did appear to have epinephrine
http://lungdiseases.about.com/od/asthma/a/primatenemist.htm

No, I was questioning the OP's comment wherein he purported purchase of Primatine mist because it contained epinephrine. Primatine contains ephedrine, no?

 

[Pat_McCrotch]

it has .22mg of epi in it.

 

[F_ed_in_the_A]

Anaphylaxis is an acute systemic (multi-system) and severe Type I Hypersensitivity allergic reaction in humans and other mammals. Anaphylaxis occurs when a person or animal is exposed to a trigger substance


Anaphylactic shock, the most severe type of anaphylaxis, occurs when an allergic response triggers a quick release from mast cells of large quantities of immunological mediators (histamines, prostaglandins, leukotrienes) leading to systemic vasodilation (associated with a sudden drop in blood pressure) and edema of bronchial mucosa (resulting in bronchoconstriction and difficulty breathing). Anaphylactic shock can lead to death in a matter of minutes if left untreated.



The 2 definitions above were cut and pasted but what you are saying is wrong or maybe doesnt make sense to me about your definition of the two.


I was reading over this and I come across as an ASS HOLE. Not my intention at all and if i do i want to apologize. Thank you for sharing your experience adn we are all glad you are OK.

We just have to be carefule with the information we put out on here. People will have a reaction of some sort or an infection and come here for help and not seek medical treatment. The mister can and will give people on here not all but a lot of the NUBs a false sense of security. So becareful about the medical advice you give out unless you are a medical professional even then it needs to be kept to a bare minimum.

No, I certainly don't think you come off as an asshole. If anything, questions about a post are almost always needed to clarify. As for the definitions, they are correct, but what you're missing is, from your quote above:

Anaphylaxis occurs when a person or animal is exposed to a trigger substance
that is exactly what I was stating at the beginning. Every time I used an injectable from British Dragon, I was suffering from an acute allergic reaction. It may have been small, but each time you introduce this into your body, your immune response becomes logrithmically more aggressive and therefore more serious.

Yes, you shouldn't panic if you're blood pressure is under 120/80, the bottom number is the important one anyway, but if you've been on a 7 week cycle with more than a gram of test, even with healthy eating, blood pressure should be way up past 130/85, so if its normal after taking a cycle with these kind of doses, it is still something you should watch. The Shock part can come on over a period of hours or minutes, so this was something for people to compare to.

As for a very important note. I said in the post, that a HINT that you might be...

This HINT word is very important because people have different thresholds of pain, different skin reactions to allergens, and although thick gear can hurt, there is a difference between aching a bit and wanting to cry because you're driving home from work and you're about to pass out from the pain.

The point of doing two sections of symptoms is because the first section has symptoms that many suffer from that isn't a big deal, but it is time to start watching that it doesn't move into the second section of symptoms that I mentioned. An acute reaction does not mean severe, but instead abrupt, or swift.

As for my credentials, I've got a doctorate in pharmacology and an M.D. No, the inhaler does not have enough to properly treat a major onset, but if you're taking AAS and already putting pressure on your heart, even an epi-pen can be more dangerous than the shock reaction itself, due to blown heart valves and many other things I don't want to get into here. The inhaler is a safe way for someone USING STEROIDS to stay safe. You don't have to use it, I just suggested having it around. As to the dosing of it, you can check my numbers with any doctor or pharmacist.

Also, I never went to the hospital. I didn't take any antibiotics because that wouldn't help. I had what I needed at home. Problem is that once injected, I used the inhaler twice a day for about six days, just when I felt like my lungs were feeling heavy. As for fluids, I drank a ton of them, switched every two hours between advil and tylonol to keep the temp down.

I hope this answered some of your questions. And most importantly, this post was so that people pay attention, not to be used as a diagnostic tool. As for you saying that people sometimes use these posts instead of seeing a doc, you are 100% right. After my experience, I felt it was very, very important for people to at least pay attention. Heck, mark in a spreadsheet when you took the shot, degree of pain, blood pressure. If it gets worse, switch gear.

I just took another shot of Primo from a different lab. No pain, nothing, so this post is for one reason, which I put at the beginning and will restate here:

"For anyone new to thinking about steroids, this is 99% unlikely, so don't be scared away, just be aware, prepared and always respect the drugs you're taking."

If there is any message this post gives, I hope it is to respect the power of this stuff, take care of your body, be safe(not paranoid), and be aware.

Seriously, Errn247, I liked your questions and the fact that you care enough about the people around here to ask questions is great. I think you're the exact opposite of an ass and wish there were more like you out there. Thanks for reading the entire post too before asking questions.

Take care and thanks again for the great comments.

 

[mattdan]

No, I was questioning the OP's comment wherein he purported purchase of Primatine mist because it contained epinephrine. Primatine contains ephedrine, no?

It is in fact epinephrine, not ephedrine. I looked it up just to be sure.
http://www.primatene.com/products/primatene_mist.asp

 

[Pat_McCrotch]

No, I certainly don't think you come off as an asshole. If anything, questions about a post are almost always needed to clarify. As for the definitions, they are correct, but what you're missing is, from your quote above:

Anaphylaxis occurs when a person or animal is exposed to a trigger substance
that is exactly what I was stating at the beginning. Every time I used an injectable from British Dragon, I was suffering from an acute allergic reaction. It may have been small, but each time you introduce this into your body, your immune response becomes logrithmically more aggressive and therefore more serious.

Yes, you shouldn't panic if you're blood pressure is under 120/80, the bottom number is the important one anyway, but if you've been on a 7 week cycle with more than a gram of test, even with healthy eating, blood pressure should be way up past 130/85, so if its normal after taking a cycle with these kind of doses, it is still something you should watch. The Shock part can come on over a period of hours or minutes, so this was something for people to compare to.

As for a very important note. I said in the post, that a HINT that you might be...

This HINT word is very important because people have different thresholds of pain, different skin reactions to allergens, and although thick gear can hurt, there is a difference between aching a bit and wanting to cry because you're driving home from work and you're about to pass out from the pain.

The point of doing two sections of symptoms is because the first section has symptoms that many suffer from that isn't a big deal, but it is time to start watching that it doesn't move into the second section of symptoms that I mentioned. An acute reaction does not mean severe, but instead abrupt, or swift.

As for my credentials, I've got a doctorate in pharmacology and an M.D. No, the inhaler does not have enough to properly treat a major onset, but if you're taking anabolic androgenic steroids and already putting pressure on your heart, even an epi-pen can be more dangerous than the shock reaction itself, due to blown heart valves and many other things I don't want to get into here. The inhaler is a safe way for someone USING STEROIDS to stay safe. You don't have to use it, I just suggested having it around. As to the dosing of it, you can check my numbers with any doctor or pharmacist.

Also, I never went to the hospital. I didn't take any antibiotics because that wouldn't help. I had what I needed at home. Problem is that once injected, I used the inhaler twice a day for about six days, just when I felt like my lungs were feeling heavy. As for fluids, I drank a ton of them, switched every two hours between advil and tylonol to keep the temp down.

I hope this answered some of your questions. And most importantly, this post was so that people pay attention, not to be used as a diagnostic tool. As for you saying that people sometimes use these posts instead of seeing a doc, you are 100% right. After my experience, I felt it was very, very important for people to at least pay attention. Heck, mark in a spreadsheet when you took the shot, degree of pain, blood pressure. If it gets worse, switch gear.

I just took another shot of Primobolan - methenolone - from a different lab. No pain, nothing, so this post is for one reason, which I put at the beginning and will restate here:

"For anyone new to thinking about steroids, this is 99% unlikely, so don't be scared away, just be aware, prepared and always respect the drugs you're taking."

If there is any message this post gives, I hope it is to respect the power of this stuff, take care of your body, be safe(not paranoid), and be aware.

Seriously, Errn247, I liked your questions and the fact that you care enough about the people around here to ask questions is great. I think you're the exact opposite of an ass and wish there were more like you out there. Thanks for reading the entire post too before asking questions.

Take care and thanks again for the great comments.

What kind of medicine do you practice? You must like school? how old are ya?

 

[F_ed_in_the_A]

What kind of medicine do you practice? You must like school? how old are ya?

Love school, just general medicine. Too bad the DEA and the government never focus on the good AAS can do. Especially with the bust that just happened. It's a f'ing shame.