Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below People have posted anavar kicks in in four days. Unlike test injections which take several weeks to kick in. How long before anadrol kicks in? Is it hard on the liver or show up on lab tests for the liver? Anavar does not. For men with low testosterone they supplement with injections of enanthate. For those who don't like needles they use anadrol tablets. This would leave me to think it is fairly safe. Any ones comments are welcome.
anadrol vs. anavar
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Anadrol?? I'm not sure if I'm not understanding your post, or you don't understand what Anadrol is. 
Anadrol is unfortunately the most harmful oral steroid. Its intake can cause many considerable side effects. Since it is 17-alpha alkylated it is very toxic to the liver. You can expect certain pathological changes in their liver values after approximately a few weeks. The compound oxymetholone easily converts into estrogen, which can cause gynomastia... along with some serious water retention that requires the constant intake of anti-estrogens such as nolva or proviron... severe acne can also come about... requiring another drug, accutane, to counteract this.
Headaches, nausea, stomach aches, insomnia, and diarrhea are some more sides... so I wouldn't think ANADROL is a safe steroid by ANY measure... lol
ANAVAR on the other hand... is much different...
First, Anavar (Oxandrolone) causes a strong strength gain by stimulating phosphocreatine synthesis in the muscle cell without adding water in the joints and muscles (daaa bloat). Secondly, Oxandrolone does not aromatize in any dose. Oxandrolone is one of the few steroids which cannot aromatize to estrogen. Although Oxandrolone itself does not break down fat, it plays an indirect role in this process because it often suppresses the appetite. Third, even in a very high dosage, it does not influence the body's own testosterone production. To make this clear: Oxandrolone does not suppress the body's own hormone production. A layman analysis of this would be that during the intake of Oxandrolone, unlike during the intake of most anabolic steroids, the testes signal the hypothalamus not to reduce or to stop the release of GnRH (gonadotropin releasing hormone) and LHRH (luteinizing hormon releasing hormone).
Ox is only slightly toxic and had no sides so to speak of... so prolonged usage is ok.
Now, if you ment Andriol (testosterone undecanoate)... you are talking about a different substance.
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Anadrol is unfortunately the most harmful oral steroid. Its intake can cause many considerable side effects. Since it is 17-alpha alkylated it is very toxic to the liver. You can expect certain pathological changes in their liver values after approximately a few weeks. The compound oxymetholone easily converts into estrogen, which can cause gynomastia... along with some serious water retention that requires the constant intake of anti-estrogens such as nolva or proviron... severe acne can also come about... requiring another drug, accutane, to counteract this.
Headaches, nausea, stomach aches, insomnia, and diarrhea are some more sides... so I wouldn't think ANADROL is a safe steroid by ANY measure... lol
ANAVAR on the other hand... is much different...
First, Anavar (Oxandrolone) causes a strong strength gain by stimulating phosphocreatine synthesis in the muscle cell without adding water in the joints and muscles (daaa bloat). Secondly, Oxandrolone does not aromatize in any dose. Oxandrolone is one of the few steroids which cannot aromatize to estrogen. Although Oxandrolone itself does not break down fat, it plays an indirect role in this process because it often suppresses the appetite. Third, even in a very high dosage, it does not influence the body's own testosterone production. To make this clear: Oxandrolone does not suppress the body's own hormone production. A layman analysis of this would be that during the intake of Oxandrolone, unlike during the intake of most anabolic steroids, the testes signal the hypothalamus not to reduce or to stop the release of GnRH (gonadotropin releasing hormone) and LHRH (luteinizing hormon releasing hormone).
Ox is only slightly toxic and had no sides so to speak of... so prolonged usage is ok.
Now, if you ment Andriol (testosterone undecanoate)... you are talking about a different substance.
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I think he ment Andriol... aka test undeconate...
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*** I agree, Halo is pretty freeking harsh... the game is pretty good though
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Canuck4 said:
Since we are talking about it... and I am feeling a little froggy tonight... mine as well go into Andriol... as you and I have determined he MENT that. LOL
Basically, testosterone undecanoate differs from other tests, in that it can be injested orally, as it contains in Andriol, which is reabsorbed from the intestine through the lymphatic system, thus bypassing the liver and becoming effective. This takes the liver out of the equation. Test Undec is a fatty acid ester of the natural androgen, testosterone, and in the body is for the most part transformed into a metabolite of testosterone. Because of this Andriol aromatizes only minimally. Meaning, you won't see alot of feminization (bitch tits) come about.
Andriol has only a low inhibitive effect on the hypothalamus so that the release of LHRH is rarely influenced. This is very important since LHRH stimulates the hypophysis to release gonadotropine which causes the testes to produce testosterone. You'd think this would be the best shit on the market... buuuuuutttt
The bad part about it is that it is only effective in high dosages... due to the half-life of Test Undec.. you need to take 6-7x a day... having a mg amount up near 240-280 at the least... at this point... it starts to effect the hormone production and more readily converts into estrogen. This doasge will also up the water retention...
This shit isn't cheap either... so at THIS dosage... I would FAR recommed anavar... by leaps and bounds... even given the other factors.
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be a dick cirtruscide, but anavar will shut down and inhibit recovery of HPTA... i think you may have got that info out of an old reference.
It was once believed that mild AAS like primo and anavar didn't suppress HPTA, however any exogenous supplementation of AAS will shut it down... now to what degree is a different story amongst the various compounds.
be a dick cirtruscide, but anavar will shut down and inhibit recovery of HPTA... i think you may have got that info out of an old reference.
It was once believed that mild AAS like primo and anavar didn't suppress HPTA, however any exogenous supplementation of AAS will shut it down... now to what degree is a different story amongst the various compounds.
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No offense taken... I do beleive that in high dosages that anavar will shut down your HTPA levels of course... but at dosages that you would take over a long period of time, say 10-15mg daily, it will NOT shut down your HTPA levels... at all.
If you take 50mg a day, you are correct... just as Test Undeconate will shut down your levels... so will anavar.
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If you take 50mg a day, you are correct... just as Test Undeconate will shut down your levels... so will anavar.
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Paulos said:
Well, you CAN bridge with it. the problem is, many men will bridge with 40-50mg of it. At this dosage, it will influence your natural hormone production. Like Andriol, the lower dosages of anavar will NOT suppress your test levesl... UNLIKE Andriol, anavar has a longer half-life and you don't NEED to take as much to keep it in your system and to stay effective.
You could bridge with say... 15-20mg probably, and I don't think it would effect your natural hormone levels... actually there have been medical studies that have shown that even 50mg of anavar will not suppress your levels... I however, am skeptical about this...
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Andriol has been approved for HRT in the US?
I think Andriol has been approved for HRT in the US. Anyone know for sure on this?
Here is the product inserts:
http://www.andriol.com/about_andriol/andriol_testocaps.pdf
http://www.andriol.com/about_andriol/andriol_products.pdf
I think Andriol has been approved for HRT in the US. Anyone know for sure on this?
Here is the product inserts:
http://www.andriol.com/about_andriol/andriol_testocaps.pdf
http://www.andriol.com/about_andriol/andriol_products.pdf
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Citruscide said:
you;ll see more benefits with 10 grams of creatine than you will with 10-15 mg of Anavar..that would be a worthless bridge and a waste of cash.
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sicklydiesel said:
Ergo the problem...
I can't say that creatine isn't a great supplement... it has many GREAT advantages, but this is the anabolic forum, not the supplement forum, so I won't get into that.
As for anavar, I think at a dosage of 15mg, it WILL yeild exactly what you will want for a BRIDGE. you would be taking it only to help maintain what you have, not to GAIN anything else... hence the term "bridge" -- people use clen and pgf2a as bridges as well... while pgf2a, IMO, is super-insane shit... it is the only thing that will yeild perminant gains on site injections... other than that... you arne't going to GAIN anything from it...
The 15mg usage of anavar is NOT a waste of money... it will accomplish the goal of a bridge, to help maintain the strength and size gains that you have. It is not necessiary to take 50mg of anavar to gain the benefit from it.
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There's is no way we can compare andriol with anavar. In order to be effective, you need to take a shitload of andriol. 20 mg of anavar will give you some decent results.
As for anavar shutting down your test level, I've used it many times with zero problems. That's why you'll have a hard time trying to convince me that it can be harmful on this aspect.
As for anavar shutting down your test level, I've used it many times with zero problems. That's why you'll have a hard time trying to convince me that it can be harmful on this aspect.
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manny78 said:
I agree, anavar is FAR superior to andriol on many levels.
I also think the dosage of anavar can be used at a higher than 15/mg day for a bridge... but i'd never ADVISE that to anyone... Myself, I've used 35mg/day without a shut down...
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Re: when
I would think fairly quickly... about the same as dbol... but I could be mistaken... I say this because it has a REALLY short half-life, which means you probably wouldn't be "showing" results like 2-3 weeks down the road.
When I say SHORT half-life, I mean only a FEW hours... so that around 6-7 caps a day must be taken (240-280mg daily)... so.. you're going to need an anti-E with it...
Why do you want to use Andriol???
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deanosig said:
I would think fairly quickly... about the same as dbol... but I could be mistaken... I say this because it has a REALLY short half-life, which means you probably wouldn't be "showing" results like 2-3 weeks down the road.
When I say SHORT half-life, I mean only a FEW hours... so that around 6-7 caps a day must be taken (240-280mg daily)... so.. you're going to need an anti-E with it...
Why do you want to use Andriol???
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is anavar effective when used alone, or should it be stacked? I was thinking of trying it out but need to still do some research to put a cycle together. If it gives good results by itself I might try that, but if it is better when stacked with test than I'll look more into that direction.
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Wel... It gives great results alone or stacked... LOL I've used it both ways... Although, I like it ALONE best... it just seems to have ZERO sides and really gets me going with Strength, muscle hardness... and I think one of the best features is that it doesn't BLOAT you... so you see alot of your muscles alot better while using it...
Really a wonder drug IMO... and with little effect on liver toxicity.
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It gives great results alone or stacked... LOL I've used it both ways... Although, I like it ALONE best... it just seems to have ZERO sides and really gets me going with Strength, muscle hardness... and I think one of the best features is that it doesn't BLOAT you... so you see alot of your muscles alot better while using it... Really a wonder drug IMO... and with little effect on liver toxicity.
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deanosig said:
I'm sorry if I implied that I used andriol... I used anavar.
I have taken anavar at a dosage of 50mg/day before... I've also taken it at 25mg/day... with very good results.
Andriol and anavar are both fairly expensive... on the sliding scale of anabolics... however, you'll need to take ALOT more andriol to be able to gain the good results (because of the VERY short half-life).
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