Alternative HPTA Restorative Therapies

[Stillgoing]

Fonz, can you expand on this?

Bump for Fonz....

 

[Nelson Montana]

I didn't mean to sound cryptic. The point is, Clomid kinda blows. And the pros know this so they don't bother wih it. People will say; I used it and had no crash!" Well, how do you know you would have had a crash without it? It's like saying homeopathic medicines "lessen" the severity of an illness. How can you gaudge this???

The bottom line here? There is no free ride. You can't jump from one drug to the next and expect to get away scott free and kep all your gains in a natural (actually supressed) state. That's why I've always advocted smaller dosages and shorter cycles, but everyone wants to be big yesterday -- they overdo it and then whine when it's time to pay the piper.

So what's the answer? HCG will definetely cusion the big blow. (Use the the way Dan Duchaine suggested -- smaller dosages over the course of a couple of days instead of the recommended 2000IU hit a week for 2 weeks) ) And yes, AndroGel is great because it provides a natural peak and dip to T levels. But sooner or later you have to come off for good and besides nutrients, some herbs and a lot of sleep, you just have to dig in and deal with it.

 

[RdStrcklnd]

3. Androgel. Yes androgel. It will keep test levels in the middle/upper range with NO IMPACT om your LH.(This
idea was actually fielded by Mr. Nobody. Have to give
credit where credit is due )

How does that work? I though introducing outside androgens into your system always suppressed HPTA?

 

[Numberfive]

Back to the top for Fonz

 

[Lumberg]

The bottom line here? There is no free ride. You can't jump from one drug to the next and expect to get away scott free and kep all your gains in a natural (actually supressed) state. That's why I've always advocted smaller dosages and shorter cycles, but everyone wants to be big yesterday -- they overdo it and then whine when it's time to pay the piper.

But sooner or later you have to come off for good and besides nutrients, some herbs and a lot of sleep, you just have to dig in and deal with it.

Say it ma brothah! 100% dead-on.

 

[drug_against_war]

Okay, I'd just like to point out here that we're talking about post-cycle recovery, not attacking problems during cycle. Isn't nolvadex still the most effective way to attack estrogen-induced gyno? Or are the pro's using something else for that too?
Also, I've heard that HCG should really be used during your cycle to bring your testicles back to their proper size, and in the last few weeks of the cycle, at 500iu's a day. Doesn't using it post-cycle actually contribute to suppressing your natural LH production longer?

 

[Silent Method]

Okay, I'd just like to point out here that we're talking about post-cycle recovery, not attacking problems during cycle. Isn't nolvadex still the most effective way to attack estrogen-induced gyno?

My intent on creating this thread was strictly to amass information regarding endocrine system recovery - not secondary side effects. However, as you mentioned, methods of priming the endocrine system for recovery durring a steroid cycle, such as mid cycle HCG, are welcome.

 

[SOLID]

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[Fonz]

I didn't mean to sound cryptic. The point is, Clomid kinda blows. And the pros know this so they don't bother wih it. People will say; I used it and had no crash!" Well, how do you know you would have had a crash without it? It's like saying homeopathic medicines "lessen" the severity of an illness. How can you gaudge this???

The bottom line here? There is no free ride. You can't jump from one drug to the next and expect to get away scott free and kep all your gains in a natural (actually supressed) state. That's why I've always advocted smaller dosages and shorter cycles, but everyone wants to be big yesterday -- they overdo it and then whine when it's time to pay the piper.

So what's the answer? HCG will definetely cusion the big blow. (Use the the way Dan Duchaine suggested -- smaller dosages over the course of a couple of days instead of the recommended 2000IU hit a week for 2 weeks) ) And yes, AndroGel is great because it provides a natural peak and dip to T levels. But sooner or later you have to come off for good and besides nutrients, some herbs and a lot of sleep, you just have to dig in and deal with it.

HCG is garbage too.

Androgel is definately the way to go.

As I said before it has minimal impact on LH, therefore
your testes can recover while you're ON androgel.

Fonz

 

[40butpumpin]

HCG is garbage too.

Androgel is definately the way to go.

As I said before it has minimal impact on LH, therefore
your testes can recover while you're ON androgel.

Fonz

I'm going to try the androgel as Fonz has suggested although for what it's worth I do feel I've had a lot of success with hcg.