all you americans

[Gambino]

The Aussies have been fighting along side us the whole time broham.

actually, more like throught out the 20th century...aussies had more deaths in world war one than USA did.
and I have seen some pretty far out left wing zealots on this site...usually their arguements revovle along their fanatical hatred of one man

 

[jnevin]

I hear a lot of opinions from people ... sitting at their computer desks ... developing opinions and ideas about things they only know about from the papers and the news. They sit in the comfort of their safe little lives ... making big opinions about things they will never face. If u don't like this country ... GET THE FUCK OUT. If u aren't from this country .... STAY THE FUCK OUT.

Yeah... get out or we'll shoot depleted uranium all over your country. And you're free to speak unless you say what I don't want to hear. I didn't realize you were reporting from the trenches tough guy.

 

[Mr. dB]

i mean, sorry to be that annoying jimmy the cricket voice (with an aussie accent) and bring up those things that some people here like to forget

"jimmy the cricket"???







Perhaps you mean this guy? http://disney.go.com/vault/archives/characters/jiminy/jiminy.html

 

[Spartacus]

Yeah... get out or we'll shoot depleted uranium all over your country. And you're free to speak unless you say what I don't want to hear. I didn't realize you were reporting from the trenches tough guy.

with a username such as MEDICj he might very well be

 

[75th]

Save it rob. It's pretty obvious that there are mindless followers on both sides. I just seem to notice people that ae pro-Bush have most of the dumb arguments on this site.

There are many variations of "dumb." Injecting blind emotion into every argument without supporting said arguments with any viable, debatable fact is what I would call dumb.

And if you wanted to get technical, the majority of Americans (based on recent polling) oppose Bush and the war in Iraq, so therefor opposing Bush and the war in Iraq, by definition, makes you a sheep.

I dont oppose Bush, but I do oppose the war in Iraq...but then again I can comprehend the differences between the two.

 

[75th]

Americans are fat, lazy, instant gratification, gimme gimme gimme, now, now, now, look at what I have, spoiled, it does not effect me so who cares kind of people. No way will most people here think about the long term problems of war...until they HAVE TO.

And thus begins starfish piggy-backing on somebody elses statement without providing any basis of argument. Im wondering if she has one original intelligent thought in her head?

Now we must cut to her standard: "I dont have to spend time backing up what I say...Ive already gotten lots of karma for my post....I know people who live near an army base....STOP THE LYING!" reply.

Do us all a favor and save it. At least GD comes up with his own arguments (no matter how many holes are in them ) but youre like the scrawny, idiotic bully who, after some poor kid and gotten the shit kicked out of him by a group of kids, runs up and kicks him once when hes unconscious then runs away.

 

[medicj]

Yeah... get out or we'll shoot depleted uranium all over your country. And you're free to speak unless you say what I don't want to hear. I didn't realize you were reporting from the trenches tough guy.

No. I'm not a tough guy. Actually, just a hard working paramedic chick. But I do know this: My man leaves on the 22nd of this month to go to Iraq for the 3rd time. The 2nd time he was gone, he got to come back early because some shit blew up with him right in the middle of it all. He had his little surgery ...got all of the fragments sliced out of his leg ... spent some time on crutches. But guess what? He's back to 110%. Ready to go again. Ready to miss another Christmas with his family ... spend another birthday getting shot at for a bunch of ungrateful people who sit on their lard asses. People who make opinions about what they here on the news. No, I haven't been in the trenches. I'm just a paramedic chick. But with some of the letters he sends when he is away -- I wish I could be right there with him.He feels bad for those people he tries to help. The worst part is he wouldn't be mad if he read this thread. He would just say that every American has the right to express their opinion. U know what I think? I think it would be great if he spent at least a couple of his leave days kicking the asses of unappreciative shit talking americans. But maybe that's why I couldn't do his job. Maybe that's why he is the Marine and I am the paramedic. I guess he is more forgiving. Lucky bastards.

 

[Gambino]

No. I'm not a tough guy. Actually, just a hard working paramedic chick. But I do know this: My man leaves on the 22nd of this month to go to Iraq for the 3rd time. The 2nd time he was gone, he got to come back early because some shit blew up with him right in the middle of it all. He had his little surgery ...got all of the fragments sliced out of his leg ... spent some time on crutches. But guess what? He's back to 110%. Ready to go again. Ready to miss another Christmas with his family ... spend another birthday getting shot at for a bunch of ungrateful people who sit on their lard asses. People who make opinions about what they here on the news. No, I haven't been in the trenches. I'm just a paramedic chick. But with some of the letters he sends when he is away -- I wish I could be right there with him.He feels bad for those people he tries to help. The worst part is he wouldn't be mad if he read this thread. He would just say that every American has the right to express their opinion. U know what I think? I think it would be great if he spent at least a couple of his leave days kicking the asses of unappreciative shit talking americans. But maybe that's why I couldn't do his job. Maybe that's why he is the Marine and I am the paramedic. I guess he is more forgiving. Lucky bastards.

that would classify as definite pwnage

 

[75th]

...that supported the war, or bush, or the bullshit that has been spun, or did at some stage support/believe in any of it, i was wondering, what do you guys think about the use of depleted uranium throughout iraq?

i mean, sorry to be that annoying jimmy the cricket voice (with an aussie accent) and bring up those things that some people here like to forget (like you know, weapons of mass destruction, osama bin laden, the association between osama and saddam that wasnt, the association between 911 and iraq that wasnt, the UN not sanctioning the war, the head of the iraq weapons inspectors "committing suicide"...how convenient..., americans calling questioners unpatriotic, freedom fries, "shock and awe" killing thousands of cowering iraqis in their homes, military protection of the oil ministry but no other ministry, abu ghraib, guatanamo bay, all those "enemy combatants" held without trial, bush winning the second election by 1%...how convenient...during the first election where electronic voting machines are used and are not subject to public scrutiny...how convenient....where evidence of vote manipulation was rife....anyway, all those things that a right thinking person would think would lead pretty instantly to impeachment and imprisonment, but apart from all that, what i want to talk about today is...

...depleted uranium. i mean, given that the world is scared shitless of terrorists detonating a "dirty bomb" in some western city, and given that its just after the 60th anniversary of atomic weapons being dropped in hiroshima/nagasaki, im curious to know what all you people who accept the war think about your military sprinkling hundreds of tonnes of depleted uranium throughout iraq, which in itself is a weapon of mass destruction, poisoning the land, air, water, people of iraq (who are giving birth to nicely deformed children as we speak, and suffering ungodly rates of previously insignificant cancers - side effects that are shared by the very soldiers using the ammunition, which is rather at odds with the "support the troops" idiots who think that public sympathy/empathy for soldiers is what is needed, rather than withdrawal from an immoral, unneccessary war (though that particular phrase has lost its poignancy through sheer repetition)

so come on. would all the pro-war, pro-"democracy", pro-"shut up GD you fucking foreigner", pro-"here is freedom, so shut up and put on your veil" people, who are so noisy in other threads, like to post their opinions on the costs, benefits, and morality of using such weapons in the context of the iraq and afghan wars?

...or will your shame, and silence, let this thread sink to the bottom of the site, until a thread comes up where its suitable for you to chime in, en masse, and type in slogans and "pwned" while you backslap each other on how wonderful you are

hm?

by the way, australia is up to its neck in iraq and afghanistan at the moment, so keep it civil...comerades

And thus continues the eternal saga of the average looking 75th mercilessly defeating the extremely handsome goldendelicious.

Pardon me whilst I take a deep breath......

i mean, sorry to be that annoying jimmy the cricket voice (with an aussie accent) and bring up those things that some people here like to forget (like you know, weapons of mass destruction, osama bin laden, the association between osama and saddam that wasnt, the association between 911 and iraq that wasnt, the UN not sanctioning the war, the head of the iraq weapons inspectors "committing suicide"...how convenient..., americans calling questioners unpatriotic, freedom fries, "shock and awe" killing thousands of cowering iraqis in their homes, military protection of the oil ministry but no other ministry, abu ghraib, guatanamo bay, all those "enemy combatants" held without trial, bush winning the second election by 1%...how convenient...during the first election where electronic voting machines are used and are not subject to public scrutiny...how convenient....where evidence of vote manipulation was rife....anyway, all those things that a right thinking person would think would lead pretty instantly to impeachment and imprisonment, but apart from all that, what i want to talk about today is...

Lets take this point-by point:

WMDs: We dont even have to go over this one too much. Shitty excuse for a shitty war. Whether or not they exist, however, is still up in the air (believe it or not).

bin Laden: What about him? The fact that his global network he spent over a decade building has been, for the most part, completely ruined? The fact that since Bush has been in office, there has been only 1 attack against the US, whereas under Clinton there were a dozen? Im not sure exactly what you want to discuss, so be more specific.

Association between Saddam and bin Laden "that wasnt:" Debunks your entire argument from now to eternity. Proven beyond a reasonable doubt, even published in sources you would agree with; NYT, AP, Reuters, etc that there indeed WAS a collaboration between Saddam and bin Laden. A working relationship towards a common goal; the destruction of Israel and conversion of the Western world. I think youre confusing this point with....

Saddam and 9/11: No evidence that supports such a claim. I assume that was your point.

The UN not sanctioning the war: Please go into detail explaining how this war was "illegal." 10 bucks says you cant, because through mandates and resolutions, we did have authority through the United Nations. If not for Saddam constantly breaking the cease-fire during the '90s, then for the resolutions that were passed in the '00s as well.

Americans questioning the war: I dont call anybody unpatriotic for questioning the war or Bush. I call people assholes for insulting and/or not supporting the troops. Many here fail to see the distinction.

Shock and Awe killing blah blah blah: Blind emotion = biggest sign of weak argument. "Oh god, think of the children!" If you want to debate the facts (or theories in many cases you bring up) then debate them. Its a war, sometimes civilians die. Anybody who suggests that our troops have NOT placed themselves in greater danger by protecting Iraqi civilians needs their heads examined.

Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo Bay: "Im not outraged by the actions at Abu Ghraib. Im outraged by the outrage" - Senator whose name I cannot remember.
If you consider urinating on a Koran as torture, I sincerely hope you are never captured during a war. You are in for a big surprise.

Bush winning two elections: Are you complaining that Bush won? Or that Gore dragged the country through an illegal supreme court fiasco? Or that Bush won the 2nd time around despite everything thrown at him except the kitchen sink? Elaborate.

...depleted uranium. i mean, given that the world is scared shitless of terrorists detonating a "dirty bomb" in some western city, and given that its just after the 60th anniversary of atomic weapons being dropped in hiroshima/nagasaki, im curious to know what all you people who accept the war think about your military sprinkling hundreds of tonnes of depleted uranium throughout iraq, which in itself is a weapon of mass destruction, poisoning the land, air, water, people of iraq (who are giving birth to nicely deformed children as we speak, and suffering ungodly rates of previously insignificant cancers - side effects that are shared by the very soldiers using the ammunition, which is rather at odds with the "support the troops" idiots who think that public sympathy/empathy for soldiers is what is needed, rather than withdrawal from an immoral, unneccessary war (though that particular phrase has lost its poignancy through sheer repetition)

As for what I assume was the point of your rant...I dont see why we should use a more effective killing tool when at the same time we are placing more and more of our soldiers in harms way by restraining their effectiveness because of bullshit PC pressure. There are much more effecient ways of doing this that would have resulted in less than 1/4 of the US AND Iraqi civilian casualties that we have endured up to this point.

In short, our self-imposed weakness is the problem.

 

[jnevin]

that would classify as definite pwnage

Not necessarily. Her husband is a brave, selfless, and tough muthafucka. No question. I don't think anyone here could justify bashing the troops, but the logic behind sending them there?