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vandik said:
Thoughts on LGD4033 suppression if used at 2mg ED for 6 weeks.
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it will definitely suppress... its comparable to an aas so you should be running hcgenerate or hcg with it and have a strong pct...
 
dylangemelli said:
im assuming your asking as to why to leave out the s4? I've read quite a few females having issues with it in study and don't feel its necessary with the sides that it has given them... that's not to say it will effect them all that way but it seems to give quite a few of them problems...
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What were the sides that these women were experiencing? Just curious of what to look out for if my gf decides she wants some?
 
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Im looking to cut.bf I train 5 to six days a week am 6 ft 240 what's the best one to cut and keep size and strength and what's sides are there besides vision these aren't thermogenics ? I hate feeling hot during the day and can I take this with out a cycle assist and pct
 
I can't find the post to verify myself but... We don't refrigerate Osta right? Just came in from unique
 
I've manned up man. This stuff tastes like honey to me now...
I'm on 50mg S4, 25mg Mk, and 10mg GW right now. Will adding need2slin bump up my fat burning capabilities?

-The Hurt
 
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kurupt305 said:
Im looking to cut.bf I train 5 to six days a week am 6 ft 240 what's the best one to cut and keep size and strength and what's sides are there besides vision these aren't thermogenics ? I hate feeling hot during the day and can I take this with out a cycle assist and pct
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they are nothing like thermogenics... you can cut with them all... ostarine will add more size than any of them... gw will cut more and s4 will make you the hardest and have the cleanest gains... you will see more in s4 the more lean you are... they are all excellent... the triple stack is always the best option with them...
 
I'm finishing up my first week of S4/MK/GW and I have gained 5 pounds while dropping 1" around my waste. Is this added weight water retention? I'm not feeling puffy...
 
Sorry to bring it up again, but my question never got answered. We DON'T refrigerate Osta, right?
 
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Raff said:
Sorry to bring it up again, but my question never got answered. We DON'T refrigerate Osta, right?
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Cool and dry place, not cold place. So in a closed cupboard would be fine (I guess).
 
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dylangemelli said:
it will definitely suppress... its comparable to an aas so you should be running hcgenerate or hcg with it and have a strong pct...
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He Dylan, at an average of 3-3,5 LGD-4033 mg's pd for 6 weeks do you think the following protocol is good:

Torem (serm): 60,40,20 (3 weeks)
M-EAA: 4 weeks + AI on hand for end of PCT

Thanks mate!
 
Ok, so I have a different sarms (side effects) question, i have searched both the web and forums and there doesn't see to be any posts;

Who here has;

1) taken sarms and got GF pregnant or
2) conceived post a sarms cycle.

This is where I am heading - there are lots of posts about AAS and pregnancy and quite frankly that AAS use in men does not seem to pass any health issues onto children.

Looking for examples (or reassurance) with Sarms......
 
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Hi, does SARMS have any effect on the cholesterol? I started osta 25mg and S4 25mg twice daily a week ago. I got my cholesterol results today HDL 36 and LDL 109. Any suggestions on how to manage it while running the cycle?
 
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Hey Dylan,

Just finished my lgd 4033 cycle. Done 5mg/day for 6 weeks. Lost a few pounds of fat and gained about 1.5kg lean muscle. My diet is always usually high in protein and low in carbs, Dont really get good rest because i do shift work in the mines here in Australia.
I am 26, 85kgs and 5'11. I ran HCgenerate and tongkat ali 1:200 pure root extract along side. Still felt a little suppressed but the boys kept working lol. One side i got was a twitch in my left eye lid. Gone now but.

PCT

I only have novadex which i was going to run at 20 10 10
Going to keep running HCgenerate and got HCgenerate ES on way
Also have two bottles of mk 2866 which i was going to run at 25mg/day for 6 weeks.

My question is can i jump straight into a 6-8 weeks mk2866 25mg/day cycle straight after lgd 4033. Should i just do PCT and recover then do mk 286 cycle? How long does mk2866 take to kick in and how long can you stay on it for?

Any info would be great :p
 
builtup said:
Hey Dylan,

Just finished my lgd 4033 cycle. Done 5mg/day for 6 weeks. Lost a few pounds of fat and gained about 1.5kg lean muscle. My diet is always usually high in protein and low in carbs, Dont really get good rest because i do shift work in the mines here in Australia.
I am 26, 85kgs and 5'11. I ran HCgenerate and tongkat ali 1:200 pure root extract along side. Still felt a little suppressed but the boys kept working lol. One side i got was a twitch in my left eye lid. Gone now but.

PCT

I only have novadex which i was going to run at 20 10 10
Going to keep running HCgenerate and got HCgenerate ES on way
Also have two bottles of mk 2866 which i was going to run at 25mg/day for 6 weeks.

My question is can i jump straight into a 6-8 weeks mk2866 25mg/day cycle straight after lgd 4033. Should i just do PCT and recover then do mk 286 cycle? How long does mk2866 take to kick in and how long can you stay on it for?

Any info would be great :p
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You can start right right after pct... Osta takes 1-2 weeks to kick in... Run it 8-12 weeks
 
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Hey dylan been reading up on this and wondering what should be expected for an ectomorph, with a daily intake of 3,500 cal and at 155lbs, 6'2" with s-4 an dosta, i haven't found any data specific to that so if you could point me to at least a log that has some info relating to that.
 
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Hey dylan been reading up on this and wondering what should be expected for an ectomorph, with a daily intake of 3,500 cal and at 155lbs, 6'2" with s-4 an dosta, i haven't found any data specific to that so if you could point me to at least a log that has some info relating to that.
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At 6'2 and 155lbs you should just eat and lift.. youre skeletor bro.
 
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so i should do the 3 weeks pct then start mk2866. What about low dosage mk2866 through pct?
 
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dallasboy said:
What would you run for a lgd pct?


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clomid 25/25/25/25 AGguys.com
Methyl EAA and Test Infusion mrsupps.com
forma stanzol mrsupps.com
Keto burn MRSUPPS.COM
ostarine 25 mg day uniquemicals.com
 
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i just bought some s4 and am waiting for it to get here when should i take my 25 mg in the am? and the other 25mg pre workout or at night? and what should i use for post cycle? also is there anything else i might be able to take to boost my s4 results
 
kurupt305 said:
i just bought some s4 and am waiting for it to get here when should i take my 25 mg in the am? and the other 25mg pre workout or at night? and what should i use for post cycle? also is there anything else i might be able to take to boost my s4 results
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25 mg in the a.m. And 25 mg 4-6 hours later... 3 week mini pct of methyl eaa and test infusion
 
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dylangemelli said:
25 mg in the a.m. And 25 mg 4-6 hours later... 3 week mini pct of methyl eaa and test infusion
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damnnn looking at the price of methyll eaa is there anything i can substitute that with theyre both kind of high will either or suffice or is there another cheaper supp
 
kurupt305 said:
damnnn looking at the price of methyll eaa is there anything i can substitute that with theyre both kind of high will either or suffice or is there another cheaper supp
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Oneb thing I've come to realize in my research is that your support supps are more critical and going to cost you more than your chosen anabolic/androgen regardless of what route you take..
 
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i hear you ill wait to see what dylan has to say then f i must buy it then i will
 
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ok so im about to dose this and im guessing 7.5ml is 25 mg? am i correct because thats like 4 or 5 whole droppers is that too much or what 7.5ml is like 1/4 of a dimetapp medicine cup just dont want to take too much thanks for your help
 
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i bought sarm search s4 and the ratio on bottle is 100mg /30ml and the dropper goes from o ml to .5 to 1 now if i want to take 50 mg a day and want to split it to 25 mg how much should i take using this dropper
 
kurupt305 said:
i bought sarm search s4 and the ratio on bottle is 100mg /30ml and the dropper goes from o ml to .5 to 1 now if i want to take 50 mg a day and want to split it to 25 mg how much should i take using this dropper
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100mg per 1 ml. So at .5 that would be 50 mg and halfway between .2 and .3 would be ur 25 mg dose. Twice a day at that measurement. Think of it as 4 quarters to a dollar. The 30mls represents total liquid volume of an unopened/unused bottle.
 
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ok thanks man cuz i thought 100 mg was equal to 30 ml i would of killed myself if i took 7.5ml thanks again
 
Yeah I've been getting odd feeling, deep headaches since I started my cycle. All the lights are yellow, both at night and day... I expected that but not the headaches...

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Big_Hurt said:
Yeah I've been getting odd feeling, deep headaches since I started my cycle. All the lights are yellow, both at night and day... I expected that but not the headaches...

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everyone reacts to things differently... keep a close eye on it and if it continues then they may not be for you...

the yellow is very common with s4...
 
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Hi,

i read the whole thread, jep all pages. :) i do a lot of research befor i take anything...

i am plan to run 8 weeks with Ostarine + s4

I got Osta in tablet form to 20mg, is there much difference? Should i take 1 Tablet a.m. with 20mg or should i cut a tablet in 4 pieces to get the "magic" 25mg dose?

i got HCGenerate with it and Post Cycle/Unleashed for the mini PCT, my fault i ordered something wrong so i got D-Spark here. I don´t think i can use it instead of the bridge? Can i use for something else here or alongside?

sry my english isn´t the best... thx anyway!
 
RoliM said:
Hi,

i read the whole thread, jep all pages. :) i do a lot of research befor i take anything...

i am plan to run 8 weeks with Ostarine + s4

I got Osta in tablet form to 20mg, is there much difference? Should i take 1 Tablet a.m. with 20mg or should i cut a tablet in 4 pieces to get the "magic" 25mg dose?

i got HCGenerate with it and Post Cycle/Unleashed for the mini PCT, my fault i ordered something wrong so i got D-Spark here. I don´t think i can use it instead of the bridge? Can i use for something else here or alongside?

sry my english isn´t the best... thx anyway!
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You can go with 20... 25 is optimal but 20 will be fine...

You can run dspark... Methyl eaa and test infusion would be the best option
 
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Has anyone seen this article ? I posted this a while back & no one commented.
Is therer any truth to the cancer? GW has been on the market for several years & I haven't read anything about any humans getting cancer.

Google osta gain & tribune for whole article.
I can't post a link because I'm new here.
Thank you.
Vince D
Athletes only too happy to be 'lab rats'

Seeking an edge, some bodybuilders and cyclists buy failed experimental drugs


April 21, 2013|By Julie Deardorff, Chicago Tribune reporter




(Alex Garcia, Chicago Tribune)


After discovering that a promising new drug caused multiple types of cancer in lab animals, the pharmaceutical company GlaxoSmithKline stopped developing the compound.
But the failed experimental drug, called GW501516, is making a comeback in another arena. Though it's not approved for human use — and likely never will be — it's among dozens of unregulated research chemicals
 
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Hey Dylan

Can i please have some info on my next SARM cycle.
Dosage?
Length?
Recommened PCT?
I have
2 bottles MK 2866
1 bottle GW501516
1 bottle S-4
All from uniquemicals.com

Thanks :mix:
 
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You shouldnt plan your cycle from what you got..... you should do it for whats good to your body!
 
builtup said:
Hey Dylan

Can i please have some info on my next SARM cycle.
Dosage?
Length?
Recommened PCT?
I have
2 bottles MK 2866
1 bottle GW501516
1 bottle S-4
All from uniquemicals.com

Thanks :mix:
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Have you not read any of this thread?.
He's prob gonna recommend 25mg of osta 8 weeks. 50mg s4/ed for 8 week (optional slowly upping dose to 100mg after 2 weeks of use/ testing sides). Gw 10-20mg/ed. Pct unleashed/post cycle and bridge double dose for 3 weeks. Or more recently test infusion with methyl whatever that booster is from Mr.sups.

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Just ordered osta and s4 as well as forma, daa, hcgenerate, and n2guard. Not worried about dosage on sarms but I'm curious on when to begin the other stuff. Seems that it may be useful to begin forma a few weeks in and continue though the pct.
 
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dylangemelli said:
i have never dosed over 25 mg bro and never would... sarms a bit different in terms of dosings... there's sweet spots on them but if you surpass those sweet spots there are not benefits, just chance of problems... 25 mg is the definite sweet spot... I have seen people get gyno and have serious supression by running it at 50 mg for prolonged periods of time bro... there is no reason to ever go over 25 mg... staying at 25 is safe and you can get up to 7 lbs. of lean body mass following this protocol... if you stack it with s4 its more likely to be 4-5 lbs. but it will be such an awesome physique... hard as a rock muscles... vascularity... huge strength... 8 -12 weeks bro... dosed properly... you will be very happy!!
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reading through this whole thread, did I read this post correctly dylan: you say with just osta @ 25/day for 8 weeks you can expect ~7lbs of lean mass gain, but if you stack with S4 you could expect 4-5lbs?
Sorry if you answered this somewhere in the other 180 pages, but I thought the two synergize and you would end up making more gains if anything? I see you mention that since S4 is a cutter you'd lose weight, but you did say lean mass, so what youre saying is that S4 will inhibit the lean mass gains of the osta? or did you mean overall bodyweight, like you'll gain more but also lose fat so the weight on the scale wont seem as much but you'll be a lot more shredded and still have built the same mass?
 
Big_Hurt said:
Has anyone else experienced headaches after starting a s4/mk/gw cycle?

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I'v had exactly samekind of headaches constantly while on Osta+S4. I'v now tried twice to run them together, first time I dropped S4 after 2 weeks and went on with Osta one more week untill headaches got unbearable. Second time I dropped Osta after few weeks and ran S4 4 weeks untill I had to drop it bc. of severe headeches. I ran GW-50 too the whole time and it doesn't seem to have anything to do with my headaches, it's also only one I'v ran solo. I was hoping that headaches would have been caused by suspending vehicle of my SARMs, but since other people are experiencing them, I doubt it... This really sucks! :'(
I love the feeling on Osta and S4, I even like the yellow tinted vision... I'v had really mild vision sides with S4, just bumped my dose to 75 mg week before dropping it few days ago, and now the headeches are gone. I'm going to finish this cycle with GW-50 that I still have left, + some juice to replace SARMs I dropped... At least GW-50 doesn't give me any bad sides, it's Def my favorite substance to run, excluding the whole triple stack of course.
If any ideas that could help with these headaches (I'm not willing to eat asperin for whole 8 weeks cycle, besides it would be too mild to help), please share any suggestions.


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bigdeem said:
Have you not read any of this thread?.
He's prob gonna recommend 25mg of osta 8 weeks. 50mg s4/ed for 8 week (optional slowly upping dose to 100mg after 2 weeks of use/ testing sides). Gw 10-20mg/ed. Pct unleashed/post cycle and bridge double dose for 3 weeks. Or more recently test infusion with methyl whatever that booster is from Mr.sups.

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exactly man... i love to help but i am constantly repeating the same thing over and over...
 
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Phishtribe said:
Just ordered osta and s4 as well as forma, daa, hcgenerate, and n2guard. Not worried about dosage on sarms but I'm curious on when to begin the other stuff. Seems that it may be useful to begin forma a few weeks in and continue though the pct.
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you don't need n2guard with sarms but if your going to use it then use it from week 1 as well as hcgenerate and forma... daa can be used in pct
 
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SirIsaacBrock said:
reading through this whole thread, did I read this post correctly dylan: you say with just osta @ 25/day for 8 weeks you can expect ~7lbs of lean mass gain, but if you stack with S4 you could expect 4-5lbs?
Sorry if you answered this somewhere in the other 180 pages, but I thought the two synergize and you would end up making more gains if anything? I see you mention that since S4 is a cutter you'd lose weight, but you did say lean mass, so what youre saying is that S4 will inhibit the lean mass gains of the osta? or did you mean overall bodyweight, like you'll gain more but also lose fat so the weight on the scale wont seem as much but you'll be a lot more shredded and still have built the same mass?
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osta alone will give more size... the CLEANER size gain will be stacking with s4... you may be able to put on more but chances are, since its more of a muscle hardener and cutting agent, you can expect four to five... its like running a test only cycle or running test and winstrol... test and winstrol will be cleaner but the size will probably be less in terms of numbers but you'll look a lot fucking better and the appearance will seem more obvious as well...
 
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northernknight said:
I'v had exactly samekind of headaches constantly while on Osta+S4. I'v now tried twice to run them together, first time I dropped S4 after 2 weeks and went on with Osta one more week untill headaches got unbearable. Second time I dropped Osta after few weeks and ran S4 4 weeks untill I had to drop it bc. of severe headeches. I ran GW-50 too the whole time and it doesn't seem to have anything to do with my headaches, it's also only one I'v ran solo. I was hoping that headaches would have been caused by suspending vehicle of my SARMs, but since other people are experiencing them, I doubt it... This really sucks! :'(
I love the feeling on Osta and S4, I even like the yellow tinted vision... I'v had really mild vision sides with S4, just bumped my dose to 75 mg week before dropping it few days ago, and now the headeches are gone. I'm going to finish this cycle with GW-50 that I still have left, + some juice to replace SARMs I dropped... At least GW-50 doesn't give me any bad sides, it's Def my favorite substance to run, excluding the whole triple stack of course.
If any ideas that could help with these headaches (I'm not willing to eat asperin for whole 8 weeks cycle, besides it would be too mild to help), please share any suggestions.


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it may just not be for you man... i've never heard of this problem so chances are that its not agreeing with your body... it also could be possible that whatever that particular brand is suspended it may not be in agreement so you may want to try another company... if it still continues then you know its not the suspension and its actually the sarm itself... try it and see...
 
dylangemelli said:
you don't need n2guard with sarms but if your going to use it then use it from week 1 as well as hcgenerate and forma... daa can be used in pct
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I know sarms are not liver toxic I just have seen things about cholesterol levels changing after sarms. And I have had high blood pressure in past n2guard helped bring that down or seemed to so I figured I would be on safe side.
 
Phishtribe said:
I know sarms are not liver toxic I just have seen things about cholesterol levels changing after sarms. And I have had high blood pressure in past n2guard helped bring that down or seemed to so I figured I would be on safe side.
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It is always good to use because of its multitude of benefits
 
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Dylan

I am going to run the triple stack for 8 weeks. Can you please give me a quick over view on diet and training?
 
Ever hear of anyone developing tinnitus on SARMS stack?

I'm 3 weeks in of second run. I've dropped S4 to avoid vision issues because of upcoming activities.

Just trying eliminate possibilities.
 
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builtup said:
Dylan

I am going to run the triple stack for 8 weeks. Can you please give me a quick over view on diet and training?
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bro, this is a sarms questions thread... not a diet thread... post your diet in the diet section...
 
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joatman66 said:
Ever hear of anyone developing tinnitus on SARMS stack?

I'm 3 weeks in of second run. I've dropped S4 to avoid vision issues because of upcoming activities.

Just trying eliminate possibilities.
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no i have not heard that...
 
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Female cycle

MK and GW from uniqe.
What would the recommended dosage and length be?
I take it that PCT is not required? :stilleto: :D
 
Dylan what are your thoughts on mk677? I dont believe ive seen you mention anything about it before. You seem to have tried a lot of stuff, and i know you stick to things that are relevant to your goals (as anyone should). That being said, does it not fit in with your goals or is it too unknown for you to do research with?
 
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SirIsaacBrock said:
Dylan what are your thoughts on mk677? I dont believe ive seen you mention anything about it before. You seem to have tried a lot of stuff, and i know you stick to things that are relevant to your goals (as anyone should). That being said, does it not fit in with your goals or is it too unknown for you to do research with?
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i don't think its even close to as beneficial as the others... to me, it should be thought of more as a peptide as opposed to a sarm... it is supposed to increase igf levels, which is great for a longer term but there have a been a lot of reports of people having sleep issues on it and possible water retention... I just don't think it fits in on a triple sarm stack... some would probably disagree, and that's fine but it really has no interest to me in any sort of way...
 
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I've just started week 2 and want to make sure I got an optimal cutting cycle/Pct(decided to throw the hella in there last minute). Also with unleashed being out of stock just making sure this looks good. I'm open to getting additional products if need be or dropping any.

1-8 50 mg S4
1-8 25 mg Osta
1-8 20 mg GW
3-8 75 mg Helladrol
3-8 12-18 mg liquid Albut
3-8. Forged Liver support
1-11 Hcgenerate
9-13 Forged post cycle
9-15 Forma Stanzol

Fish oil, creatine nitrate, and N2 Slin throughout.

Thanks Dylan I really appreciate you taking the time to help educate the way you have in this thread.
 
trok1 said:
I've just started week 2 and want to make sure I got an optimal cutting cycle/Pct(decided to throw the hella in there last minute). Also with unleashed being out of stock just making sure this looks good. I'm open to getting additional products if need be or dropping any.

1-8 50 mg S4
1-8 25 mg Osta
1-8 20 mg GW
3-8 75 mg Helladrol
3-8 12-18 mg liquid Albut
3-8. Forged Liver support
1-11 Hcgenerate
9-13 Forged post cycle
9-15 Forma Stanzol

Fish oil, creatine nitrate, and N2 Slin throughout.

Thanks Dylan I really appreciate you taking the time to help educate the way you have in this thread.
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I would save helladrol and run it after the stack... You will allow everything to work optimally that way... For pct run methyl eaa and test infusion
 
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Hey

is sarmsearch GW 50 the same as uniqes GW501516.

Thinking of getting it from sarmsearch since uniqe is on back order

Thanks :evil:
 
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I'm currently considering to put my lab rat on his first gw-50 cycle and would like some advice for this research project. The current focus of the study is an endurance event, non-competitive (my rat doesn't like to cheat) and completely privately organised. I hope that the cycle will prepare my rat by increasing endurance and some weight loss.

After some research, I have nailed my choices down to two three options:

Option 1: 60 days @ 10mg ed ending the day (?) before the event
Option 2: 60 days @ 10mg ed overlapping with the event (the event lasts a week)
Option 3: 46 days @ 10mg ed (building up towards event) + 7 days @ 20mg ed (during event)

I don't know if continued use throughout the event is considered the most beneficial, either with increased dosing, or if I should stop my rat's cycle prior to the event. The thing I do know is that my research budget only allows me to use a total 600mg of gw-50.

My rat's background:
He used to be an endurance athlete (road cycling), but had to quit 6 years ago due to a chronic knee injury. The sudden drop of activity (from 32+ hours of training to 0) caused him to gain weight and lose most of his stamina. Two months ago, he started riding his bike again, but this time at a moderate intensity and just for fun (~12-16 hours training per week). Besides the joy of riding, he would also like to get back some stamina and lose some weight, as his fat percentage is just too high at the moment (about 23%, inaccurately measured).

Thanks in advance.
 
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I am at the end of the second week doing osta 25mg and s4 50mg ED. I'm starting to get light sensitive. Going from outside to a darker place takes long time for my eyes to adjust. Should I drop to 5 on 2 off?
 
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Joost said:
I'm currently considering to put my lab rat on his first gw-50 cycle and would like some advice for this research project. The current focus of the study is an endurance event, non-competitive (my rat doesn't like to cheat) and completely privately organised. I hope that the cycle will prepare my rat by increasing endurance and some weight loss.

After some research, I have nailed my choices down to two three options:

Option 1: 60 days @ 10mg ed ending the day (?) before the event
Option 2: 60 days @ 10mg ed overlapping with the event (the event lasts a week)
Option 3: 46 days @ 10mg ed (building up towards event) + 7 days @ 20mg ed (during event)

I don't know if continued use throughout the event is considered the most beneficial, either with increased dosing, or if I should stop my rat's cycle prior to the event. The thing I do know is that my research budget only allows me to use a total 600mg of gw-50.

My rat's background:
He used to be an endurance athlete (road cycling), but had to quit 6 years ago due to a chronic knee injury. The sudden drop of activity (from 32+ hours of training to 0) caused him to gain weight and lose most of his stamina. Two months ago, he started riding his bike again, but this time at a moderate intensity and just for fun (~12-16 hours training per week). Besides the joy of riding, he would also like to get back some stamina and lose some weight, as his fat percentage is just too high at the moment (about 23%, inaccurately measured).

Thanks in advance.
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First off... If your rat doesn't like to cheat then he should not use it at all...

Since you are prepping for an event... I would run it at least 8 weeks and overlap it through the event...
 
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crazyhunter said:
I am at the end of the second week doing osta 25mg and s4 50mg ED. I'm starting to get light sensitive. Going from outside to a darker place takes long time for my eyes to adjust. Should I drop to 5 on 2 off?
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that's really up to you... if its unbearable then yes... it does not sound like that is the case so I would hold off for going 5 on 2 off for now...
 
Sarmssearch or unique ever consider capped sarms instead of liquid? Companies like ironmaglabs and elite labs have come out with capped ostarine. Why are we still doing this liquid BS

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Thanks for the input, much appreciated.

dylangemelli said:
First off... If your rat doesn't like to cheat then he should not use it at all...
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You're right. To be honest, my rat doesn't really oppose to cheating, not with the current definitions of cheating. (PEDs are part of most sports.) However, as my grasp of the English language is somewhat limited, I'm not a native speaker, the use of the word "event" is somewhat misleading.

My rat is planning a cycling trip with a group of befriended rats in a mountainous region (the French Pyrenees, which are also used in almost every Tour de France). His days of participation in organised sporting events are well behind him as his body cannot sustain him at pro or close-to-pro levels.

I've never run a research project with my rat before his career ending injury.

dylangemelli said:
Since you are prepping for an event... I would run it at least 8 weeks and overlap it through the event...
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I'll put my rat on a ~60 day program. Thanks.
 
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Hey, I have couple questions.
1) Could i just use osta by itself or should it be paired with s4?
2) If I am able to use osta by itself could i use it right after my pct from cycle of test C 300 and var 60?

Plus, i was reading into this stuff and it seems like its too good to be true! Does this stuff really work?

Dosing wise would be 25mg a day for 4 weeks correct?
 
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broscience said:
Hey, I have couple questions.
1) Could i just use osta by itself or should it be paired with s4?
2) If I am able to use osta by itself could i use it right after my pct from cycle of test C 300 and var 60?

Plus, i was reading into this stuff and it seems like its too good to be true! Does this stuff really work?

Dosing wise would be 25mg a day for 4 weeks correct?
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It depends on your goals but I never run one without the other...

you can use it in your pct and right after

4 weeks is way too short... run it 8 weeks...
 
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Sorry too many pages to read through at 198 pages but I was curious if s4, mk, and gw can be taken all at once in the same syringe. I know some substances can mess with each other or be harder on the stomach so just wanted to be sure its ok to take all at once. Thanks!
 
HOPDUP95 said:
Sorry too many pages to read through at 198 pages but I was curious if s4, mk, and gw can be taken all at once in the same syringe. I know some substances can mess with each other or be harder on the stomach so just wanted to be sure its ok to take all at once. Thanks!
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It is better to them separate... It takes an extra 30 seconds... Just take them like separate man
 
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Thanks man, took em separate. Threw me off tho that such a small amount would do anything... I went with unique for the MK and s4, ss for the gw50. So for a new user the gw is 10mg/day split twice. With the ss that's only .25ml per serving. The mk is 25mg/day so that's only .5ml, and the s4 at 50mg/day split is another.5ml per serving. This stuff is really that potent that such a small amount will do something or is my math wrong?
 
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1) What specific properties do the SARMS variants have? For example, what effect does S-4 have versus GW versus Osta?

2) Would 500 units of HCG per week be beneficial during an 8-12 week cycle?

3) Are any of the SARMS variants hepatoxic?
 
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mrplunkey said:
1) What specific properties do the SARMS variants have? For example, what effect does S-4 have versus GW versus Osta?

2) Would 500 units of HCG per week be beneficial during an 8-12 week cycle?

3) Are any of the SARMS variants hepatoxic?
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osta = lean gains... more towards lean size and muscle...

s4 = muscle hardening... very lean muscle...

gw = endurance and fat loss

hcg would be fine to use for a few weeks...

none are hepatoxic
 
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HOPDUP95 said:
Thanks man, took em separate. Threw me off tho that such a small amount would do anything... I went with unique for the MK and s4, ss for the gw50. So for a new user the gw is 10mg/day split twice. With the ss that's only .25ml per serving. The mk is 25mg/day so that's only .5ml, and the s4 at 50mg/day split is another.5ml per serving. This stuff is really that potent that such a small amount will do something or is my math wrong?
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???
 
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First of all, thanks for the input. I'm peppering you with questions because I'm trying to do a little planning for the next year.

Please compare and contrast these two cycles:

wk 1-10 test blend @ 250 mg/week
wk 1-10 500 units of HCG / week (48 hours before shoot day)
wk 6-10 40-60 mg of Anavar per day

Versus

wk 1-10 50 mg/day S4
wk 1-10 25 mg/day Osta
wk 1-20 20 mg/day GW
wk 1-20 500 units/week HCG

And if the testosterone cycle is still substantially more anabolic (which it may be), at what dose of test would you consider equivalent to the SARMS cycle? For example, would 175 mg/week of test and 30 mg/week of anavar be equivalent to that SARMS cycle in terms of anabolic strength? Obviously any testosterone cycle will more androgenic -- I get that part.
 
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Maybe this has been discussed before, but why would someone use GW-501516? It was pulled by GSK cos it caused cancer in rats (real rats). I wouldn't touch the stuff myself
 
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stormshadow101 said:
Maybe this has been discussed before, but why would someone use GW-501516? It was pulled by GSK cos it caused cancer in rats (real rats). I wouldn't touch the stuff myself
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ah, and that is why research chemicals are not for human consumption.. on EF we do not condone it for use on humans. its one of the rules
 
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stormshadow101 said:
Maybe this has been discussed before, but why would someone use GW-501516? It was pulled by GSK cos it caused cancer in rats (real rats). I wouldn't touch the stuff myself
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That study was done with ridiculous dosages...and the rats received these doses for 2+ years. Pretty sure many things with such extreme dosages would cause cancer if used every day for two years staight.
 
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Ok guys, I work in drug development so know a lot more abuot this stuff than most people.. There are things called pharmacodynamics and pharmacokinetics, basically a ridiculously high dose in a rat does not equal the same in a human. Some drugs require very high doses in rats to achieve the same plasma levels as a much lower dose in humans. You think GSK didn't consider that the high dose in rat won't ever be used in humans? Of course not. I'm not trying to tell anyone what to do, but this sounds like a big NO NO in my book....and I do have experience in this field.
Not trying to tread on anybodies toes here.
 
stormshadow101 said:
Ok guys, I work in drug development so know a lot more abuot this stuff than most people.. There are things called pharmacodynamics and pharmacokinetics, basically a ridiculously high dose in a rat does not equal the same in a human. Some drugs require very high doses in rats to achieve the same plasma levels as a much lower dose in humans. You think GSK didn't consider that the high dose in rat won't ever be used in humans? Of course not. I'm not trying to tell anyone what to do, but this sounds like a big NO NO in my book....and I do have experience in this field.
Not trying to tread on anybodies toes here.
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This has been discussed ad nauseum, but to query your differentiation between pharmacokinetics and pharmacodynamics, the test dosages on the rats was between 5 mg/ kg body weight up to 40mg/ kg body weight for a period of 104 weeks. In spite of plasma level differentiation, I dare say that 10mg for a 70kg person over 8 weeks is going to achieve plasma levels anywhere near the levels achieved in the rats over 104 weeks at an equivalent dose of up to 2800mg per day.

I have no doubt that given that the drug was initially targeted at genetically obese individuals, the treatment protocol envisioned was on a chronic basis for extended periods of time, if not permanently. Hence, the development of tumours over a two year treatment protocol is certainly significant and would definitely cause the drug to be shelved.
 
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I don't know much about the study as I haven't read the paper. I'm wondering if the drug was given to obese rats or healthy rats? I get your point about it being required for a chronic condition (i.e. dosings required for life) rather than a short 'cycle' as is used here. I also agree that the plasma levels were probably similar (given the data you shared), i'd still be concerned about how this is metabolised between models and personally I wouldn't go near it given the cancer findings
 
srfskr said:
This has been discussed ad nauseum, but to query your differentiation between pharmacokinetics and pharmacodynamics, the test dosages on the rats was between 5 mg/ kg body weight up to 40mg/ kg body weight for a period of 104 weeks. In spite of plasma level differentiation, I dare say that 10mg for a 70kg person over 8 weeks is going to achieve plasma levels anywhere near the levels achieved in the rats over 104 weeks at an equivalent dose of up to 2800mg per day.

I have no doubt that given that the drug was initially targeted at genetically obese individuals, the treatment protocol envisioned was on a chronic basis for extended periods of time, if not permanently. Hence, the development of tumours over a two year treatment protocol is certainly significant and would definitely cause the drug to be shelved.
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Well said bro
 
stormshadow101 said:
I don't know much about the study as I haven't read the paper. I'm wondering if the drug was given to obese rats or healthy rats? I get your point about it being required for a chronic condition (i.e. dosings required for life) rather than a short 'cycle' as is used here. I also agree that the plasma levels were probably similar (given the data you shared), i'd still be concerned about how this is metabolised between models and personally I wouldn't go near it given the cancer findings
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I hear you mate - we're all free to choose our protocols. The great thing about the EF Forum is everyone is encouraged to air their views in order for us to all make informed choices. The more info out there, the better for all users I guess.
 
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mrplunkey said:
First of all, thanks for the input. I'm peppering you with questions because I'm trying to do a little planning for the next year.

Please compare and contrast these two cycles:

wk 1-10 test blend @ 250 mg/week
wk 1-10 500 units of HCG / week (48 hours before shoot day)
wk 6-10 40-60 mg of Anavar per day

Versus

wk 1-10 50 mg/day S4
wk 1-10 25 mg/day Osta
wk 1-20 20 mg/day GW
wk 1-20 500 units/week HCG

And if the testosterone cycle is still substantially more anabolic (which it may be), at what dose of test would you consider equivalent to the SARMS cycle? For example, would 175 mg/week of test and 30 mg/week of anavar be equivalent to that SARMS cycle in terms of anabolic strength? Obviously any testosterone cycle will more androgenic -- I get that part.
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bro, aas are always going to be stronger than sarms... you can't compare them... sarms are used as a bridge in between cycles to help maintain gains or really cut up and prepare you for your next cycle... they are excellent but they are in no way as strong as aas and should not be compared but utilized as something to use in between...
 
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dylangemelli said:
bro, aas are always going to be stronger than sarms... you can't compare them... sarms are used as a bridge in between cycles to help maintain gains or really cut up and prepare you for your next cycle... they are excellent but they are in no way as strong as aas and should not be compared but utilized as something to use in between...
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I just wondered if there was an equivalency point.

As a 45 y/o male, I'd probably see benefits from even 125 mg/week of test. I believe SARMS isn't androgenic, but in terms of anabolics/fat loss I thought there's be an AAS cycle equivalent.

If there isn't, I'll just experiment a little and see if I can build a basis for comparison.
 
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