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ajfab88

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guys this summer i plan on running clenbuterol for 8 weeks, then 8 weeks off....

thats 16 weeks and pretty much the whole summer'

i turn 21 this summer

what the fuck do i do?

is it okay to drink a few days a week while on the clen.....i mean, my diets gonna be there, im talking really calorie restricted, but ill prolly drink a couple days a week.....

should i drink beer or liquor?

i will just be freshly 21 for god sakes i know drinking is bad period but i know i wont be able to not drink on the weekends
 
ajfab88 said:
guys this summer i plan on running clenbuterol for 8 weeks, then 8 weeks off....

thats 16 weeks and pretty much the whole summer'

i turn 21 this summer

what the fuck do i do?

is it okay to drink a few days a week while on the clen.....i mean, my diets gonna be there, im talking really calorie restricted, but ill prolly drink a couple days a week.....

should i drink beer or liquor?

i will just be freshly 21 for god sakes i know drinking is bad period but i know i wont be able to not drink on the weekends

run clen 2 weeks on 2 weeks off and repeat. don't run it for 8 weeks. not good.

a drink here and there won't hurt i suppose, just don't get wasted.

I don't drink at all ever, and actually have never even tasted beer.
 
ajfab88 said:
i heard you can run it for 8 weeks if you just take benadryl every 3rd week


no, run it 2 on, 2 off. don't try and further your clen use with the addition of more drugs. be smart.
 
ajfab88 said:
guys this summer i plan on running clenbuterol for 8 weeks, then 8 weeks off....

thats 16 weeks and pretty much the whole summer'

i turn 21 this summer

what the fuck do i do?

is it okay to drink a few days a week while on the clen.....i mean, my diets gonna be there, im talking really calorie restricted, but ill prolly drink a couple days a week.....

should i drink beer or liquor?

i will just be freshly 21 for god sakes i know drinking is bad period but i know i wont be able to not drink on the weekends

If your going to drink, avoid beer. Its estrogenic as hell from the hops. (One of the 15 most estrogenic plants in the world)

Stick to the clean hard alcohols for minimal body damage. Vodka is a good choice.

-Pp
 
Don't drink - all the time and effort you spend trying to make yourself look good, look muscular - alcohol does the opposite. It's anti-fitness in a bottle.
 
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drinking and clen has got to be the stupidest thing you could do. clen itself makes me feel a fucking mess..to throw in some alcohol i think i would over heat.....your gonna use clen to melt away a few pounds of fat only to drink it right back in alcohol...worthless...party this summer enjoy your 21st and hit the clen in the fall...
 
truckdaddy said:
Pro bodybuilders party harder than anyone.....take that for whats its worth.

And they either die younger than normal or go clean and live long.
 
member I said this:

Clen is Evil, the Devil for you heart I dont care what anyone else tells you

STAY AWAY from it

no debate
 
I understand you're turning 21, but if you haven't started clen yet, don't! You need to make a choice. You start training right, or you realize you want to party and do that instead for the time being. You can't tell me you never had alcohol? Come on..it's not that big of a deal.. I remember how cool it was to be able to order beer when I was 21, but that's about it. If you really want to drink, just don't mix it and just wait..Just be paitient.
 
Don't run clen and drink.

Life is supposed to be fun. Are you getting paid to be a bodybuilder? Do you do it for a living? Are you training to be Mr. Olympia?

What's the point of having a good body if you can't have fun? It probably won't kill you. I say have a good time.
 
truckdaddy said:
Pro bodybuilders party harder than anyone.....take that for whats its worth.


mainly in there off season when they shrivel like levrone, dont drink peroid!!!

your sacrificing your soul to look good , by dieting training hard and using aas , why drink? alcohol is a poison to your body

peace
 
bigdofba said:
Don't run clen and drink.

Life is supposed to be fun. Are you getting paid to be a bodybuilder? Do you do it for a living? Are you training to be Mr. Olympia?

What's the point of having a good body if you can't have fun? It probably won't kill you. I say have a good time.

At the risk of sounding like your old high school teacher - "You don't need to drink to have fun."

I have more fun when I'm sober - life is not about how many clubs you can hit in one night or how many drinks you've had. Unfortunately much of today's media promotes it as that.
 
rudy76 said:
At the risk of sounding like your old high school teacher - "You don't need to drink to have fun."

I have more fun when I'm sober - life is not about how many clubs you can hit in one night or how many drinks you've had. Unfortunately much of today's media promotes it as that.


^^^
+1

agree
 
rudy76 said:
At the risk of sounding like your old high school teacher - "You don't need to drink to have fun."

I have more fun when I'm sober - life is not about how many clubs you can hit in one night or how many drinks you've had. Unfortunately much of today's media promotes it as that.

True. I can have fun without drinking as well. I haven't really drank that much in the last few years anyway.

When I was 21 it was a different story. If you're turning 21 and want to drink I say go for it. It won't be that big of a deal. Enjoy yourself a little.

I don't see how people can treat drinking one night like the devil. People tell you that you are putting poison in your body then they turn around and tell you to inject yourself with various ASS as well as taking them orally. It's kind of funny when you think about it.

Don't take this post the wrong way. I think smoking and alcohol are just as dangerous as ASS if not more so, however, when done in moderation things aren't that bad. Again, it's not like you're training for the Olympia.

About BB'ers parting all the time, I don't think that's true.
 
dabuffguy said:
no, run it 2 on, 2 off. don't try and further your clen use with the addition of more drugs. be smart.

u can run it straight through with the use of benadrl.

+1 on avoiding the alcohol.
 
clen is overrated IMO, a good ECA/Y stack will do more for you than clen will, in addition, the body general very quickly regulates to clen and you wont get the same results over time.

Your diet and the ECY stack will do WAY more for you than clen will. In addition, the sides can suck, my resting heart rate was circa 110 the first time I did clen at around 80mcg max per day.

As for wat to drink, vodka and diet soda is essentially calorie free, but remember alcohol is an appetite stimulant and lowers your inhibitions, so that pizza looks MIGHTY tasty at 2am... o and the chicks wont look quite as fat, and you'll prob be the retard taking your shirt off talking about your Clen cycle... LOL jk :) (i hope im kidding anyway)
 
bigdofba said:
Don't run clen and drink.

Life is supposed to be fun. Are you getting paid to be a bodybuilder? Do you do it for a living? Are you training to be Mr. Olympia?

What's the point of having a good body if you can't have fun? It probably won't kill you. I say have a good time.
This is a great post.

PP is right, drink clean liquor's like vodka and light rum. Have fun and be safe, and don't do clen! There are much better and more effective fat burners out there buddy.
 
get456 said:
As for wat to drink, vodka and diet soda is essentially calorie free, but remember alcohol is an appetite stimulant and lowers your inhibitions, so that pizza looks MIGHTY tasty at 2am... )


!!! TRUE !!! :worried:

Now that im running my pr-imo no more pizza,alcohol and fatties :p :p



:artist:
 
Moderation is key. If you can go out and have a couple of beers and some shots your fine. I wanst like then when i was 21, i would drink at least 20 beers a night on the weekend along with shots i was a fucking mess. Ive slowed down alot since then. If i was you i wouldnt do anything this summer. Enjoy yourself and drink up. The clen can wait till next spring, by then maybe you outgrow going out and partying and worry more about training, thats what happened to me.
 
rudy76 said:
Don't drink - all the time and effort you spend trying to make yourself look good, look muscular - alcohol does the opposite. It's anti-fitness in a bottle.


+1
 
i know guys that only think about their body and never have any fun........you have to have a healthy balance, if your 21, go have some fucking fun. drink 3-5 mick ultras or a 3 vodka sodas....and relax...other wise you will be one of the guys "online" on a friday/sat night.
 
think some of you may of not ever done clen before...clen itself is horrible..your dehydrated hot sweating get the shakes then on top of that you want to drink alcohol....im all for partying i drink on cycle sometimes and party every weekend off cycle...but clen is on e fo them things that i would say 1 or the other but not both

Myotoxic effects of clenbuterol in the rat heart and soleus muscle.

Burniston JG, Ng Y, Clark WA, Colyer J, Tan LB, Goldspink DF.

Research Institute for Sport and Exercise Sciences, Liverpool John Moores University, Liverpool L3 2ET, United Kingdom. [email protected]

Myocyte-specific necrosis in the heart and soleus muscle of adult male Wistar rats was investigated in response to a single subcutaneous injection of the anabolic beta(2)-adrenergic receptor agonist clenbuterol. Necrosis was immunohistochemically detected by administration of a myosin antibody 1 h before the clenbuterol challenge and quantified by using image analysis. clenbuterol-induced myocyte necrosis occurred against a background of zero damage in control muscles. In the heart, the clenbuterol-induced necrosis was not uniform, being more abundant in the left subendocardium and peaking 2.4 mm from the apex. After position (2.4 mm from the apex), dose (5 mg clenbuterol/kg), and sampling time (12 h) were optimized, maximum cardiomyocyte necrosis was found to be 1.0 +/- 0.2%. In response to the same parameters (i.e., 5 mg of clenbuterol and sampled at 12 h), skeletal myocyte necrosis was 4.4 +/- 0.8% in the soleus. These data show significant myocyte-specific necrosis in the heart and skeletal muscle of the rat. Such irreversible damage in the heart suggests that clenbuterol may be damaging to long-term health.

PMID: 12381771 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]





Characterization of adrenoceptor involvement in skeletal and cardiac myotoxicity Induced by sympathomimetic agents: toward a new bioassay for beta-blockers.

Tan LB, Burniston JG, Clark WA, Ng Y, Goldspink DF.

Academic Unit of Molecular Vascular Medicine, University of Leeds, England.

Excessive levels of catecholamines have long been known to be cardiotoxic, but less well known are their toxic effects on skeletal muscle. By using an antimyosin monoclonal antibody and quantitative methods to measure the extent of myocyte necrosis, and by employing modulators of adrenoceptors (ARs), including clenbuterol, bupranolol, propranolol, bisoprolol, atenolol, ICI-118551, phenoxybenzamine, prazosin, and yohimbine, the involvement of ARs in isoproterenol-induced myotoxicity was characterized. In the myocardium, the toxic effects were predominantly mediated via the beta(1)-ARs. In the soleus muscle, it was almost solely via the beta(2)-ARs. Myotoxicity was also observed in the myocardium when challenged with the beta(2)-AR agonist clenbuterol. This was found to be mediated via sympathetic presynaptic beta(2)-ARs, leading to enhanced release of norepinephrine. This effect was abolished by prior treatment with reserpine. The skeletal muscle was found to be more sensitive to the myotoxic effects than cardiac muscle at lower doses of beta-AR agonists. These experiments introduce a new way of assaying beta-AR antagonists by classifying them according to their ability to prevent catecholamine-induced myotoxicity. Further research along these lines may deepen understanding of which beta-blockers work best in heart failure therapy.

PMID: 12658052 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]






Dose-dependent separation of the hypertrophic and myotoxic effects of the beta(2)-adrenergic receptor agonist clenbuterol in rat striated muscles.

Burniston JG, Clark WA, Tan LB, Goldspink DF.

Research Institute for Sport & Exercise Sciences, Liverpool John Moores University, Webster Street, Liverpool L3 2ET, UK.

Muscle growth in response to large doses (milligrams per kilogram) of beta(2)-adrenergic receptor agonists has been reported consistently. However, such doses may also induce myocyte death in the heart and skeletal muscles and hence may not be safe doses for humans. We report the hypertrophic and myotoxic effects of different doses of clenbuterol. Rats were infused with clenbuterol (range, 1 mug to 1 mg.kg(-1)) for 14 days. Muscle protein content, myofiber cross-sectional area, and myocyte death were then investigated. Infusions of >/=10 mug.kg(-1).d(-1) of clenbuterol significantly (P < 0.05) increased the protein content of the heart (12%-15%), soleus (12%), plantaris (18%-29%), and tibialis anterior (11%-22%) muscles, with concomitant myofiber hypertrophy. Larger doses (100 mug or 1 mg) induced significant (P < 0.05) myocyte death in the soleus (peak 0.2 +/- 0.1% apoptosis), diaphragm (peak 0.15 +/- 0.1% apoptosis), and plantaris (peak 0.3 +/- 0.05% necrosis), and significantly increased the area fraction of collagen in the myocardium. These data show that the low dose of 10 mug.kg(-1).d(-1) can be used in rats to investigate the anabolic effects of clenbuterol in the absence of myocyte death. Muscle Nerve, 2006.
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