AI's and feeling like crap

[Smokescreen]

Anyone here besides me use an AI and then feel lousy? I'm telling you...no matter which AI I use and how low of a dose or how less I use it throughout the week. I always tend to feel like I used a whole lot!

I become dull, flat and boring with the use of an AI. And my blood work always confirms that my E levels are always a bit high. I use a tiny dose of Aromasin. This brings my E levels down to 35 and no lie...it feels like my E levels are down to single digits.

Joints do not hurt very much unless I'm lifting weights. They also crack a lot during movement. I also lose libido. And tend to lose interest in things that were always considered fun and of interest to me. Not to mention that all I want to do is either sit down or lay down and watch TV. Something I NEVER do.

What's going on? Anybody else experience the same thing?

 

[stevesmi]

what all are you on right now?

its probably just a combination of things that are making you feel like crap.

 

[gymrat827]

Anyone here besides me use an AI and then feel lousy? I'm telling you...no matter which AI I use and how low of a dose or how less I use it throughout the week. I always tend to feel like I used a whole lot!

I become dull, flat and boring with the use of an AI. And my blood work always confirms that my E levels are always a bit high. I use a tiny dose of Aromasin. This brings my E levels down to 35 and no lie...it feels like my E levels are down to single digits.

Joints do not hurt very much unless I'm lifting weights. They also crack a lot during movement. I also lose libido. And tend to lose interest in things that were always considered fun and of interest to me. Not to mention that all I want to do is either sit down or lay down and watch TV. Something I NEVER do.

What's going on? Anybody else experience the same thing?

it doesnt happen to me but ive heard of it before

 

[Smokescreen]

what all are you on right now?

its probably just a combination of things that are making you feel like crap.

I don't use combos anymore. Just straight test. And a little proviron from time to time.

As soon as I take Aromasin...BOOM! Feel like shit. I can't read. I can't focus. I lose libido. I simply DON'T CARE about anything anymore.

I've head.."maybe youre taking too much Smokescreen?".

12.5mgs per week. That's too much?! Really??????

Last time I got blood work my doc told me that my E was perfect! That it was right where it should be. At 35! Guess what guys? I felt like shit. As if I had E down to 5! LOL

 

[Judo Tom]

what is your test dosage? Do you have blood work to see your total test vs free test?

Have you tried Formastanzol? That is my favorite side free AI so far.. most make me feel like complete crap but forma I can handle at 5-10 pumps daily.

Good Luck

 

[stevesmi]

dump the aromasin... that seems to be the culprit. drugs have side effects, you can only attempt to take a low dose.. doesn't mean it still won't give you some sides though. even when i run a very low dose of clomid i still get sides

judo is right, forma is all you need for an AI. i am on test right now and taking forma. no estrogen related problems whatsoever.

 

[Smokescreen]

what is your test dosage? Do you have blood work to see your total test vs free test?

Have you tried Formastanzol? That is my favorite side free AI so far.. most make me feel like complete crap but forma I can handle at 5-10 pumps daily.

Good Luck

Yes I have blood work and trust me brother, test and free test are really good!

So brother...you too feel like shit on AIs? I just do NOT understand how such a tiny fucking dose of an AI can leave me feeling weak and brittle. Dull...lifeless etc etc.

 

[ALIN]

I've always related most sides to dosages but you have already ruled that out in your case.
If your just trying to prevent gyno maybe you should run NOLVA/PROVIRON instead of an AI.

 

[RADAR]

Forma make me feel good ,you can run it anytime on cycle,PCT or off cycle.

 

[C.K.]

Don't go over 500 mgs test and use mast or proviron to control e problem solved

 

[RADAR]

also the Cracking of joints is not a good sign, i forsee this problem getting worse over time as you get older, You need to start taking a joint support such as glusomane suflate,MSM,and gellatin every day with lots of water,studies have shown that gellatin helps repair the spongy cartlidge between the bones.
you can use gellatin (as used in food perservatives) or 1/2 pack of jello every day to your shakes.

 

[Deleted member 33117]

Sounds like you need a lower dose of weaker AI's. Aromasin is hardly a mild drug. Try .5mg of adex a day.

The cracking joints... one you probably need more omega 3s in your diet, need to drink more water, and do a lot more flexibility and mobility work. Do you do do any major stretching protocols after training and/or before bed?

 

[Judo Tom]

Yes I have blood work and trust me brother, test and free test are really good!

So brother...you too feel like shit on AIs? I just do NOT understand how such a tiny fucking dose of an AI can leave me feeling weak and brittle. Dull...lifeless etc etc.

Lol yeah definitely feel like crap in like 10 different ways.

Try some different AI's and REALLY low dosage. use a syringe to dose and go LOW really LOW.

Also you can try to bring down your test dosages so you still have good/great test levels but not so much where you would even need an AI. The gains will still come on a lower dosage and if you feel 10x better its well worth it..

oh and do yourself a favor and try formastanzol. Start with 2 pumps 2x a day and see how you feel.

Good Luck

 

[Smokescreen]

I've always related most sides to dosages but you have already ruled that out in your case.
If your just trying to prevent gyno maybe you should run NOLVA/PROVIRON instead of an AI.

I use proviron. But after a few days it begins to bloat me up a bit. I guess due to the fact that it lowers SHBG. Thus freeing up not only Test but also Estrogen.

Doesn't Nolvadex lower libido?

 

[Smokescreen]

Sounds like you need a lower dose of weaker AI's. Aromasin is hardly a mild drug. Try .5mg of adex a day.

The cracking joints... one you probably need more omega 3s in your diet, need to drink more water, and do a lot more flexibility and mobility work. Do you do do any major stretching protocols after training and/or before bed?

No bro. I don't stretch. And I know I should. I just dont. :-(