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Robert Jan

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Those who post in C&C know me well, those who actually just come here to talk about training and diet and roids know me less well.

I'm 18 years old.

I was quite serious into lifting when i was 16-17 but this year ive been slacking.

The *damage* as of now is that I'm
6"3
242 lbs
with a 40 inch waist

190 cm
110 kg
101 cm waist

I haven't had a hard, sweaty, breathtaking workout in a long time.
I really just want to start over brand new and just take some routine that ive never tried before.

Please post a routine that worked well for you.
 
bors=bros.

as for your training, i would highly suggest trying the 5x5 routine.
tell us a little more, what are your goals etc.
 
Welcome to the training board. Check out the traing methods sticky at the top of the page. There are a lot of good routines listed there, along with links. :)
 
less time posting about your lovelife/politics/penis size

more time lifting weights & doing cardio

my routine is working very well for me so I'll reccomend it

m bench 2-3 sets, s. press 2 sets or upright row, dips or declines 2 sets, db curls 2 sets

w squats 2-3 sets, box squats 2 sets, calf raises

s deadlifts 2-3 sets, chin 2 sets, db row 2 sets, do abs that day if you like the cock

diet & cardio, low carb and an hours walking on non training days
 
SAGAT said:
bors=bros.

as for your training, i would highly suggest trying the 5x5 routine.
tell us a little more, what are your goals etc.
You guys on EF seem to love 5x5 training. I have never tried it and it sounds interesting.

My goals... mostly for now, I want to lean out. I'll worry about being huge after that.

Tell me some more about 5x5 training. what would a routine typically look like?
 
Tweakle said:
less time posting about your lovelife/politics/penis size

more time lifting weights & doing cardio

my routine is working very well for me so I'll reccomend it

m bench 2-3 sets, s. press 2 sets or upright row, dips or declines 2 sets, db curls 2 sets

w squats 2-3 sets, box squats 2 sets, calf raises

s deadlifts 2-3 sets, chin 2 sets, db row 2 sets, do abs that day if you like the cock

diet & cardio, low carb and an hours walking on non training days

I dont talk about my penis that much lol.
 
Right now I'm doing a simplistic version of 5X5 with 3 core excercises followed by accessory stuff in the 8-10 rep range. I'm just using the 5X5 with bench, squat, and chins, each once/week. Following the core excercise I'll do 3-4 sets of another excercise in th 8-10 rep range targeting the same muscle group. Make sure you start off with light weights so you'll able to build a good momentum and don't plateau too quickly. If you think your max on bench is 200 for 5 sets of 5, then start off with 185 and add five pounds a week.

HST would also be a good program, I actually leaned out a bit while trying to bulk.
 
Tweakle said:
less time posting about your lovelife/politics/penis size

more time lifting weights & doing cardio

my routine is working very well for me so I'll reccomend it

m bench 2-3 sets, s. press 2 sets or upright row, dips or declines 2 sets, db curls 2 sets

w squats 2-3 sets, box squats 2 sets, calf raises

s deadlifts 2-3 sets, chin 2 sets, db row 2 sets, do abs that day if you like the cock

diet & cardio, low carb and an hours walking on non training days


tweakle, i admire your strength and philosophy, now this just tops it off. that's a good workout, no bullshit :)
 
thanks you guys I think ill try something like cmdubs said.

I trained back today, I did some deadlifts, even though I squatted to failure 2 days ago

anyway im weak i got
(KG)
60 x 5
100 x 5
145 x 5
155 x 2
155 x 1
(155 kg ~ 342 lbs)

Then I did BB rows with 75 kg for 10 reps with strict form and long r.o.m.

then some more rows and some pulldown work (100 kg x 10 x 2) and some bicep work and shrugs

Overall pretty weak. but ive never tried 5x5 before I hope it will give me good results.
 
i'm sure it will. do you still need an example of a 'typical' 5x5 routine, then i'll post mine up. too tired to do it now though.
 
I started the routine Crak posted in the thread that's linked to above. I've only just done one of these workouts. I liked it but I was done in like 30 mins!

is it not low volume? should i take more rest in between sets?
 
you should need the extra rest, for me it jumped up from half a minute between sets to about 2 minutes. btw if you still need that routine let me know, it slipped my mind before.
 
Thanks but I'm cool for now I'm using this one

all 2x8-10s are done to fatigue.

Monday - Chest/Calves
Flat Bench 5x5
Incline DB Bench 2x8-10
Standing Cable Flies 2x8-10
Standing Calf Raises - 2x15

Tuesday - Back/Shoulders
Military Press 5x5
Side Laterals 3-5x8-10
Deads 5x5
Pullups - 2x8-10
Shrugs - 2x8-10
Rows - 2x10

Wednesday - Off

Thursday - Arms
Close Grip Bench 5x5
Standing BB Curls - 5x5
Dips - 2x8-10
Incline Curls 2x8-10
Skull Crushers - 2x8-10
Preacher Curls - 2x8-10

Friday - Legs
Squats - 5x5
Hack Squats - 2x8-10
Stiff Leg Dead Lifts - 2x8-10
Leg Curls - 2x8-10 (i added this one to improve my hamstring strength)
Seated Calf Raises - 5x15

Saturday & Sunday - Off
 
So what if I try to do a 5x5 with a certain weight and I don't make it, and end up doing for instance

5,5,5,4,3 because I'm fatigued?
Should I take less weight next week? Or see if I can do 5x5 with this weight next week?
 
Yep, leave the weight the same for the next week and try hit all 5 sets.
When you make all 5x5, make sure the weight increase isnt too big...

keep lifting... :)
 
Robert Jan said:
So what if I try to do a 5x5 with a certain weight and I don't make it, and end up doing for instance

5,5,5,4,3 because I'm fatigued?
Should I take less weight next week? Or see if I can do 5x5 with this weight next week?

the first time you fail all 5x5, you stay at the same weight the following week and try again. i stalled on my BB curl 3 different times, only to hit all 5x5 the following week. if, however, you fail 2 weeks in a row, the following week, increase by 5lbs, but do 5 sets of 3. do 5x3 for 4 weeks, adding 5lbs each week. at the end of 4 weeks, go back to where you failed 5x5 and you should be able to get all 5x5. then keep going until you fail 5x5 2 weeks in a row again.

as of now, i'm about to go to 5x3 on at least one lift (flat bench). i ran that routine listed above for 15 weeks straight. my max bench increased from 200x3 to 235x3. i also hit a 315x1 squat and 305x1 deadlift (and only started deadlifting at the beginning of those 15 weeks).

my legs require more work than what is in that routine above. after a few weeks of running that routine, i added box squats 10x2 and leg curls to the monday workout. that additional work helped my full squats tremendously.

the non 5x5 exercises i do 3 sets of each, upward pyramid. 10, 8, 5-6 reps. this, to me, works very well. i had a very hard time picking a weight i could do to failure for 2 sets of 8-10. doing 3 sets with the rep scheme listed above, however, allows me to just about hit failure on each set, and definetly on the last set. if i hit all 6 reps on the last set and they feel solid, i'll bump up the weight the following week across all 3 sets. example - on chest day, i'll do incline dbs 50, 60, 70lbs.

i had to modify the routine to suit my summer schedule. i am able to hit the gym M-TH, but that's it. i wasn't comfortable taking 3 days in a row off either. i have weights at home, but not enough to do any heavier exercises. i split the routine up quite a bit more so it covered 5 days. i started it in the beginning of June and was forced into a break this week (well, stress was aiding this as well). i'll be changing things around the last week of August, as i'll be able to hit the gym 5 days a week again. here's the current routine:

Monday
Flat Bench 5x5
Incline dbs 10, 8, 5-6
Cable Flies 10, 8, 5-6
Box Squat 10x2
Seated Calves 5x15

Tuesday
Seated OHP 5x5
Cable Lat Raises 12, 10, 8, 5-6
Deadlift 5x5 (usually do 10 on the last set)
Pullups 2 sets both to failure
Shrugs 10, 8, 5-6
Neutral/Close Grip Pulldowns (hands facing each other) 10, 8, 5-6

Wednesday
Squats 5x5
SLDL 10, 8, 5-6
Standing Calf Raises 5x15

Thursday
Incline Bench 5x5
Close Grip Bench 5x5
Dips 2 sets to failure, been adding weight recently
Tricep pushdown 10, 8, 5-6

Friday
BB Curl 5x5 (i've just dropped this, hurts my forearms like hell)
Iso Curls 10, 8, 5-6
Hammer Curls 10, 8, 5-6
Wrist Curls - many sets, normal and reverse

ABS - done 2-3x a week. no set day for them, just whenever i kick myself hard enough to do them. usually 3 sets of decline situps, the last 2 sets weighted.

strengthy wise, my squat and deadlift are still progressing, and i'm satisfied with both for now. size/looks wise, however, i'm not so sure about progress. i'll be able to tell for sure by the end of summer when i compare to pics i took the beginning of June. i've also cleaned up the diet a lot so i could slim down a bit. If you've paid attention to threads i've posted in C&C, however, you know that i've been pretty stressed out the past month or so. i've dropped from 170 down to 160lbs and i'm not happy about it at all. yes my intent this summer was to drop a little bodyfat, but not to lose weight. I maintained 170lbs all through June and was seeing a bit more of my abs every day. so considering my stress level and the loss of 10lbs, it's going to be hard to judge how well this routine is working for me.

hope some of this helps out. if not, well, i tried :)
 
Robert Jan said:
So what if I try to do a 5x5 with a certain weight and I don't make it, and end up doing for instance

5,5,5,4,3 because I'm fatigued?
Should I take less weight next week? Or see if I can do 5x5 with this weight next week?

You should start with a relatively low weight for the 5x5 exercises...that's not to say it's going to be so low that it's a joke but the key is to be adding 5 pounds every week to the lift...

For instance...I did incline BB with 225 for 7 before I started my modified 5x5...so when I do this exercise I am probably going to use 210 or 215 and just add 5 pounds every week until I fail...

Also with the lighter weights you can use slower negatives to make it feel harder....just get all the reps though:)...then when you start to go past weights you have never used before go back to your normal rep speed

Lastly when you plateau the 5x3 works really well...the great thing about the 5x5 routine is you are always progressing in some sense...whether it be with the 5x5\5x3 exercise or the accessory exercises
 
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