Adding an aykyl (ethel methyl) chemical group to the alfa position of the 17th carbon. This is what makes c17 orals so hard on the liver.

[needtogetaas]

What effects do you think adding methyl ethyl esters to creatin and other compounds have on the liver?

It is not the testosterone molecule its self that is hard on the liver. Rather the adding of the methyl/ethyl ester that causes the stress on the liver.

So it would seem safe to say that adding a methyl ethyl ester to any compound would cause liver stress.

 

[the_alcatraz]

I agree with this.

Also, too much protein causes stress on the liver. So do too many pills and taking creatine for too long without a break.

After taking creatine for a while, I usually take some milk thisle for a week.

 

[needtogetaas]

This may just go over the heads of about 60% of the members lol. I love you guys.

 

[needtogetaas]

PP,nelson.mava get the fuck in here and talk to me.

 

[the_alcatraz]

PP,nelson.mava get the fuck in here and talk to me.

lol

 

[SouthernLord]

Would adding the methyl ester to creatine/arginine/bcaa/etc make them even more effective? I don't understand why you would do this if the risk is not work the reward.

 

[needtogetaas]

Re: Adding an aykyl (ethel methyl) chemical group to the alfa position of the 17th ca

Would adding the methyl ester to creatine/arginine/bcaa/etc make them even more effective? I don't understand why you would do this if the risk is not work the reward.

On cee yes its worth it.

 

[SouthernLord]

Re: Adding an aykyl (ethel methyl) chemical group to the alfa position of the 17th ca

On cee yes its worth it.

interesting. Are you on the verge of the next "Big Thing" here?? Or is this already being done? If so by who?

 

[alphatest]

What effects do you think adding methyl ethyl esters to creatin and other compounds have on the liver?

It is not the testosterone molecule its self that is hard on the liver. Rather the adding of the methyl/ethyl ester that causes the stress on the liver.

So it would seem safe to say that adding a methyl ethyl ester to any compound would cause liver stress.

I think you have it a little mixed up. 17a alkylated steroids are hard on the liver, this is not the same as steroids with ester groups attached. For instance test E has an ester attached but isn't hard on the liver when compared to 17a methyltestosterone which has only a methyl group added.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Re: Adding an aykyl (ethel methyl) chemical group to the alfa position of the 17th ca

In a word, yes. It isn't the actual drug that stresses the liver, but the ester which essentially gives the liver the signal to NOT do its job and filter it out. THAT is what is so damaging. In a way, it's brilliant science, but the end result is pretty crude. It's a lousy way to keep a compound active. But it do make dbol so damn effective.

Primo tabs are not 17AA but I wonder if they were. They'd be like SUPER-VAR! Or what if dbol wasn't 17 AA but you had enough to take them all day? I would think it'd be possible to a UGL to do this but it would be a hard sell.

And yes, as soon as you alter that molecular structure, the stress is the same. So a prohormone that has a methy ethyl ester is as hard on the liver as dianabol -- with about 1;10000th of the anabolic properties.