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AB's Keeling Over Reeling Through Exhaustion
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anotherbutters
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It's insidious.
That's what I say after my first set if deads - nearly there, just 6 more sets to go.blut wump said:
anotherbutters
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I could have a 30 minute kip in between each exercise. That should take me up to 2.5hrs 
I'm feeling particularly lethargic today with lots of little aches and pains. I can't believe I have to do it all again tomorrow. I did the math in my head for yesterday's tonnage and came to 10 tons. I worked it out with a calculator and it was just shy, but tomorrow's will be just over.
I'm feeling particularly lethargic today with lots of little aches and pains. I can't believe I have to do it all again tomorrow. I did the math in my head for yesterday's tonnage and came to 10 tons. I worked it out with a calculator and it was just shy, but tomorrow's will be just over.
blut wump
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Try to get your food in and get enough sleep. It's only loading and it'll go away next week.
I think you've pitched everything pretty perfectly and I'm looking forward to seeing what comes out of the ordeal regarding your new maxes.
Regarding how come you're still able to get these workouts done in just over an hour, it's probably that this is your first dual-factor run in quite a long while and you're not yet using as much of yourself as Jim would. Look on it as a good thing indicated lots more potential yet untapped.
I think you've pitched everything pretty perfectly and I'm looking forward to seeing what comes out of the ordeal regarding your new maxes.
Regarding how come you're still able to get these workouts done in just over an hour, it's probably that this is your first dual-factor run in quite a long while and you're not yet using as much of yourself as Jim would. Look on it as a good thing indicated lots more potential yet untapped.
anotherbutters
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Thanks. I wasn't sure last week, but I have to admit it's looking pretty good, especially for my first runblut wump said:
I've enjoyed the volume phase and I'd like to do more work like that - something like 3 weeks of loading, one deload, then repeat, but played by ear. I also want to switch the exercises slowly over time, e.g. switching Wednesday's deads for rows one month, then one of the bench sessions for overhead press the next month, etc, rather than a wholesale switching of programs from Korte to DF5x5 or whatever.
As for next week, I might load a little more if I'm not right on the limit this Friday. After that, an intensity phase would be interesting, but I feel like I'd miss the volume, even though it'd be nice to find out what my new PRs are. Is there any benefit to peaking, such as better neural efficiency that would help in the next volume phase?
If I peak, I'd probably push each exercise on a different day with triples and do either a ramped 1x5 or a moderately light, flat 5x5 on the other exercises that day.
blut wump
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I remember thinking the same, that I might be able to extend the volume phase through into a fifth week. I even recall wondering on the final Friday of the volume phase whether it might be possible. It wasn't until the weekend that I realised how deeply it had hit me. See how you feel.
Regarding peaking, you saw my previous 5x5, assisted though it was. You can run sequences of volume-deload-volume but I feel that pushing hard and straining is part of lifting and that you are short-changing yourself to neglect the neural efficiency side by completely avoiding intensity phases at low reps. They also serve to allow recovery in their own way lest you bury yourself in excess volume and repeated loading.
It works both ways, BTW. Towards the end of an intensity phase you start to think that you'll miss the straining and loathe the idea of returning to boring old tiring volume. Of course, the volume is fun again once you're back into it.
I guess you're running out of days in which to decide how to run post-volume, even if you decide merely to deload for a week.
Regarding peaking, you saw my previous 5x5, assisted though it was. You can run sequences of volume-deload-volume but I feel that pushing hard and straining is part of lifting and that you are short-changing yourself to neglect the neural efficiency side by completely avoiding intensity phases at low reps. They also serve to allow recovery in their own way lest you bury yourself in excess volume and repeated loading.
It works both ways, BTW. Towards the end of an intensity phase you start to think that you'll miss the straining and loathe the idea of returning to boring old tiring volume. Of course, the volume is fun again once you're back into it.
I guess you're running out of days in which to decide how to run post-volume, even if you decide merely to deload for a week.
anotherbutters
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Korte: Week 4, Day 2
I was feeling tired and run down yesterday, so I went to bed about an hour early and got a good night's sleep in. Felt much better today and looked forward to the workout. I found another little aid for my workouts today - I played System of a Down rather than having no music on, and I stormed through this workout. Get this: I added another set of deads and finished the whole workout in 54 mins. Yeah baby!
Squats were hard, but not in doubt. I started doing them within the confines of the safety bars this week. Before I started the Korte, I complained of feeling like my legs were just giving up on me before I even got to the straining stage. My legs feel completely different now - a lot more solid and able to keep pushing when the going gets tough. Today's the first day that I'm not confident about lifting more on the next workout. Friday should be interesting. All sets started on the 2 minute mark.
By the time I started benching I was all hyped up and rushed through them. Most sets were only 60 seconds apart, which is a bit silly at this stage of the game. I got to set 7 and stalled on the 5th rep. I didn't think there was any point starting the final rep, but did and by some unfathomable force of nature managed to press it out. Of course I started the final set about 60 seconds later and struggled on the final rep again
. I got it. I think shoulder width has become my strongest grip.
Deads: bring it on. I added an 8th set and still managed to start each set on the 2 minute mark. Deads have become the easiest exercise of the three, so I added 3kg today. I wasn't sure that I got my shoulders back when locking out on a couple of reps, but I think it was more because of sloppy form than from the weight.
The 2 minute mark has become something that I seem to have held onto without really intending to. I guess it's just another training variable, like intensity and volume - something else that can be trained. It hasn't hindered me so far, so I guess I'll carry on whilst I'm not failing.
Looking at the tonnage (84x8x5)+(62x8x6)+(108x8x5)=10656, I'm pleased to announce my first 10 ton workout
Workout time: 54 mins
Bodyweight: ~184lb
All weights in kg, warmups excluded.
................Squat...................Bench...................................Deads...........
W1 D1: .... 67 x 6 x 5 reps ..... 48 x 6 x 6 reps (WSNWSN) ....... 87 x 6 x 5 reps ... (147lb/106lb/191lb)
W1 D2: .... 67 x 7 x 5 reps ..... 48 x 7 x 6 reps (NSWNSWN) ..... 87 x 7 x 5 reps
W1 D3: .... 69 x 7 x 5 reps ..... 50 x 7 x 6 reps (NSWNSWN) ..... 90 x 7 x 5 reps
W2 D1: .... 71 x 7 x 5 reps ..... 52 x 7 x 6 reps (NSWNSWN) ..... 92 x 7 x 5 reps
W2 D2: .... 71 x 8 x 5 reps ..... 54 x 7 x 6 reps (NSWNSWN) ..... 94 x 7 x 5 reps
W2 D3: .... 73 x 8 x 5 reps ..... 56 x 7 x 6 reps (NSWNSWN) ..... 96 x 7 x 5 reps
W3 D1: .... 75 x 8 x 5 reps ..... 58 x 8 x 6 reps (NSWNSWNS) ... 98 x 7 x 5 reps
W3 D2: .... 78 x 8 x 5 reps ..... 59 x 8 x 6 reps (NSWNSWNS) ... 101 x 7 x 5 reps
W3 D3: .... 80 x 8 x 5 reps ..... 60 x 8 x 6 reps (NSWNSWNS) ... 103 x 7 x 5 reps
W4 D1: .... 82 x 8 x 5 reps ..... 61 x 8 x 6 reps (NSWNSWNS) ... 105 x 7 x 5 reps
TODAY: ... 84 x 8 x 5 reps ..... 62 x 8 x 6 reps (NSWNSWNS) ... 108 x 8 x 5 reps ... (185lb/136lb/238lb)
I was feeling tired and run down yesterday, so I went to bed about an hour early and got a good night's sleep in. Felt much better today and looked forward to the workout. I found another little aid for my workouts today - I played System of a Down rather than having no music on, and I stormed through this workout. Get this: I added another set of deads and finished the whole workout in 54 mins. Yeah baby!
Squats were hard, but not in doubt. I started doing them within the confines of the safety bars this week. Before I started the Korte, I complained of feeling like my legs were just giving up on me before I even got to the straining stage. My legs feel completely different now - a lot more solid and able to keep pushing when the going gets tough. Today's the first day that I'm not confident about lifting more on the next workout. Friday should be interesting. All sets started on the 2 minute mark.
By the time I started benching I was all hyped up and rushed through them. Most sets were only 60 seconds apart, which is a bit silly at this stage of the game. I got to set 7 and stalled on the 5th rep. I didn't think there was any point starting the final rep, but did and by some unfathomable force of nature managed to press it out. Of course I started the final set about 60 seconds later and struggled on the final rep again
. I got it. I think shoulder width has become my strongest grip.Deads: bring it on. I added an 8th set and still managed to start each set on the 2 minute mark. Deads have become the easiest exercise of the three, so I added 3kg today. I wasn't sure that I got my shoulders back when locking out on a couple of reps, but I think it was more because of sloppy form than from the weight.
The 2 minute mark has become something that I seem to have held onto without really intending to. I guess it's just another training variable, like intensity and volume - something else that can be trained. It hasn't hindered me so far, so I guess I'll carry on whilst I'm not failing.
Looking at the tonnage (84x8x5)+(62x8x6)+(108x8x5)=10656, I'm pleased to announce my first 10 ton workout
Workout time: 54 mins
Bodyweight: ~184lb
All weights in kg, warmups excluded.
................Squat...................Bench...................................Deads...........
W1 D1: .... 67 x 6 x 5 reps ..... 48 x 6 x 6 reps (WSNWSN) ....... 87 x 6 x 5 reps ... (147lb/106lb/191lb)
W1 D2: .... 67 x 7 x 5 reps ..... 48 x 7 x 6 reps (NSWNSWN) ..... 87 x 7 x 5 reps
W1 D3: .... 69 x 7 x 5 reps ..... 50 x 7 x 6 reps (NSWNSWN) ..... 90 x 7 x 5 reps
W2 D1: .... 71 x 7 x 5 reps ..... 52 x 7 x 6 reps (NSWNSWN) ..... 92 x 7 x 5 reps
W2 D2: .... 71 x 8 x 5 reps ..... 54 x 7 x 6 reps (NSWNSWN) ..... 94 x 7 x 5 reps
W2 D3: .... 73 x 8 x 5 reps ..... 56 x 7 x 6 reps (NSWNSWN) ..... 96 x 7 x 5 reps
W3 D1: .... 75 x 8 x 5 reps ..... 58 x 8 x 6 reps (NSWNSWNS) ... 98 x 7 x 5 reps
W3 D2: .... 78 x 8 x 5 reps ..... 59 x 8 x 6 reps (NSWNSWNS) ... 101 x 7 x 5 reps
W3 D3: .... 80 x 8 x 5 reps ..... 60 x 8 x 6 reps (NSWNSWNS) ... 103 x 7 x 5 reps
W4 D1: .... 82 x 8 x 5 reps ..... 61 x 8 x 6 reps (NSWNSWNS) ... 105 x 7 x 5 reps
TODAY: ... 84 x 8 x 5 reps ..... 62 x 8 x 6 reps (NSWNSWNS) ... 108 x 8 x 5 reps ... (185lb/136lb/238lb)
Cynical Simian
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This is how I've always looked at it. I guess I've probably occasionally missed reps by forcing myself back to the rack to start at the 3-minute mark (my standard straight-sets rest interval) rather than following the "take what you need" approach of madcow/Rippetoe/etc. But if, say, set 4 of 5 felt hard and I waited an extra 2 minutes to begin I'd question whether I was really that much stronger. Bleh, I'm being anal and rambling again...anotherbutters said:
at the System of a Down (although I completely understand the need for background noise). Did the KILL THAT SHIT t-shirt and Amplify02 help too? 
