about done w dbol cycle...

[azul]

i think that azul knows what he is talking about. thats fucking weird man. i am hittin pink thais in sept with test and deca, hope they work for me

I know people who've done the same d-bol as I have, at lower doses, and they got better gains. Once I went off the d-bol I started feeling better in the gym, and I've also gotten stronger since. On the d-bol I had constant abdominal pain, back pumps, supressed hunger and I felt like throwing up after almost every workout.

I'm not saying d-bol sucks. It appears to work great for everybody who tries it. I'm simply not one of these people.

 

[1UNDER]

Damn do I ever disagree with almost everything posted on this thread

can someone please explain to me how mass(actual muscle mass) gained from dbol, is ANY different than mass gained from ANY other steroid....good luck with that because there is absolutely no difference. I constantly hear people say stuff like "you will lose all your gains from dbol", but "if you run test you will keep much more"...that is one of the stupidest things I can think of, and I've worked with retarded people!!!! Any muscle mass you gain from any steroid, is just as easy to keep, it DOES NOT MATTER WHAT DRUG YOU USED TO GAIN IT!!!

I have seen tons of buddies that I train with run dbol only cycles. Two examples are guys that both have a few years training experience. They ran 6 week cycles, 30mg a day I believe. One gained 16lbs, and kept 13lbs, the other gained 12lbs, and last time I saw him(which was a year after the cycle), he was still up 9-10lbs.

People with very little steroid experience really should stop just repeating shit they have heard other people say, and havent experienced themselves. And if you have experienced this, then you need to spend some time on the training and diet forums, as if you pissed away the muscle you gained, thats your fault, not the dbol

I think that is the popular opinion because most of the time dbol is used for such a short time,(Toxicity issues and all),so that what is gained is mostly water and that in turn is lost when you stop using it.From what I have seen over the years anyone that makes and keeps major gains from dbol is the exception and not the rule.Or they have not reached there full natural potential before using anabolics.

 

[Outtlaw]

If you DONT give it enough calories to maintain then it WILL go away...
THAT is the sad reality of it for the true Ecto...You have to eat like its a job for you (if you wish to maintain the weight above and beyond what you can achieve naturally...)
And even then I will bet that after a certain amount of time with NO steroids you WILL eventually return back down near the weight you started out at...(ANYBODY who disagrees with that should take ONE YEAR COMPLETLEY OFF FROM GEAR, and then come here and post their results...I think it would be VERY interesting to see )


My friend always clowns with me about there being "no REAL genetic ceiling" (there IS however a ceiling on the threshhold of food you can consume to get you to a certain size though...These are almost the same things in my mind...)
I am sure I could get to 200 lbs IF I were able to focus everything on eating and training 24/7 but that is just NOT feasible for me ...So with my lifestyle I CANT achieve that potential goal...

To say you'll go back to the weight you started at is a little decieving. I started at about 140lbs. I could never go back to that weight (not being healthy). I think if you're at a weight that your body can support naturally then you will be able to hold it provided you keep training regularly. If you're over the limit of what your body can support naturally, then you'll need anabolics in order to sustain it. I think that might be what you're trying to say. But it started to sound like you were saying that if you didnt get there naturally, then you'll eventually loose it when you come off the drugs (regardless of whether or not you're at a level the body can sustain naturally). Which I dont believe to be true at all.

 

[Joe Stenson]

I think that is the popular opinion because most of the time dbol is used for such a short time,(Toxicity issues and all),so that what is gained is mostly water and that in turn is lost when you stop using it.From what I have seen over the years anyone that makes and keeps major gains from dbol is the exception and not the rule.Or they have not reached there full natural potential before using anabolics.

I don't think it has anything to do with natural potential. If you gain MUSCLE on d-bol, it's the exact same as gaining it on any other drug.

The first part of your post, however, is bang-on. How much MUSCLE do you actually expect to gain running 4 weeks of d-bol? And d-bol can bloat you pretty bad too, so any substantial weight gain is likely to be water. Then once you come off the drug the water goes away, and guys say they lost their "gains". Any muscle that you gained though can be kept with proper PCT.

To say you'll go back to the weight you started at is a little decieving. I started at about 140lbs. I could never go back to that weight (not being healthy). I think if you're at a weight that your body can support naturally then you will be able to hold it provided you keep training regularly. If you're over the limit of what your body can support naturally, then you'll need anabolics in order to sustain it. I think that might be what you're trying to say. But it started to sound like you were saying that if you didnt get there naturally, then you'll eventually loose it when you come off the drugs (regardless of whether or not you're at a level the body can sustain naturally). Which I dont believe to be true at all.

Yup, definitely agree here too. You really shouldn't lose any muscle you gain on a cycle as long as you're not at your genetic potential. Granted, it's easy to mess up PCT, especially for the inexperienced.

 

[TheAssholeFomerlyKnownAsDBBT]

ANYBODY who disagrees with that should take ONE YEAR COMPLETLEY OFF FROM GEAR, and then come here and post their results...I think it would be VERY interesting to see )


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yes it would be very interesting since no one on this thread has done so i bet

 

[Little Boy]

Damn do I ever disagree with almost everything posted on this thread

can someone please explain to me how mass(actual muscle mass) gained from dbol, is ANY different than mass gained from ANY other steroid....good luck with that because there is absolutely no difference. I constantly hear people say stuff like "you will lose all your gains from dbol", but "if you run test you will keep much more"...that is one of the stupidest things I can think of, and I've worked with retarded people!!!! Any muscle mass you gain from any steroid, is just as easy to keep, it DOES NOT MATTER WHAT DRUG YOU USED TO GAIN IT!!!

I have seen tons of buddies that I train with run dbol only cycles. Two examples are guys that both have a few years training experience. They ran 6 week cycles, 30mg a day I believe. One gained 16lbs, and kept 13lbs, the other gained 12lbs, and last time I saw him(which was a year after the cycle), he was still up 9-10lbs.

People with very little steroid experience really should stop just repeating shit they have heard other people say, and havent experienced themselves. And if you have experienced this, then you need to spend some time on the training and diet forums, as if you pissed away the muscle you gained, thats your fault, not the dbol

Agreed.

Especially if you run a 6-8 lower dose dbol cycle, the gains will be more lean.

People who take 50mg for 4 weeks may gain a ton of water if they don't use arimidex, but there's still plenty of muscle gained, too.

Why the fuck would all the muscle go away after a d-bol only cycle? It wouldn't, but there's tons of retards who think otherwise. Those must be the ones who don't know what PCT is.

 

[The Terminator]

ANYBODY who disagrees with that should take ONE YEAR COMPLETLEY OFF FROM GEAR, and then come here and post their results...I think it would be VERY interesting to see )


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yes it would be very interesting since no one on this thread has done so i bet

What happens alot of times is people say "I gained 15 lbs on my cycle and kept 10 of it" Its not that hard to keep 10 lbs in the 8 whole weeks they were "off"...But if one were to take a substantial amount of time off (6-12 months), then I think more often than not one would see alot more than those just 5 lbs lost between cycles

Its not that hard to "keep gains" when one is only off for a few months...

I remember back between my 2nd and 3rd cycles I took 9 months off ...And guess? I lost ALOT more size than in that period than I ever did taking 2 months off between any other cycles

 

[The Terminator]

I think if you're at a weight that your body can support naturally then you will be able to hold it provided you keep training regularly. If you're over the limit of what your body can support naturally, then you'll need anabolics in order to sustain it. I think that might be what you're trying to say.

THIS was what I meant to say...

Sometimes I get long winded and lose track of what I have typed ...This is why I try to keep my replies from being so long

 

[Joe Stenson]

What happens alot of times is people say "I gained 15 lbs on my cycle and kept 10 of it" Its not that hard to keep 10 lbs in the 8 whole weeks they were "off"...But if one were to take a substantial amount of time off (6-12 months), then I think more often than not one would see alot more than those just 5 lbs lost between cycles

Its not that hard to "keep gains" when one is only off for a few months...

I remember back between my 2nd and 3rd cycles I took 9 months off ...And guess? I lost ALOT more size than in that period than I ever did taking 2 months off between any other cycles

I definitely agree. In fact, if the 5lbs they lost post-cycle isn't water, then I wouldn't even consider that a good PCT. If you're only taking a month or two off between cycles you really shouldn't lose anything. You don't even start noticing strength losses until after about 6 weeks (my experience and others). If anything (taking water losses into account), I'd say you're more likely to GAIN weight post-cycle because it's possible you'll gain some fat when you keep cals high enough to ensure maintenance of the muscle.

 

[Bozwell]

There were about 10 different guys who posted in this thread before you...Who are you talking to ?

All of them