ABol oral only cycle? Help please!!

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Hi!!!

Need some advice please! Im a newbie to gear but was considering doing a 6wk anabol cycle at 40mg per day to gain size and strength.

Have seen mixed reviews on internet. Some say waste of time without adding injectable test, some say not great as lose gains quickly, others say fine as you can retain up to 90% of your gains with good PCT.

Im aware that anabol is liver toxic and aromatises easily so was.gonna add ALA, milk thistle and an AI during the cycle.

Would.appreciate any thoughts or feedback please????

Cheers

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[Jbranken]

Not worth it. These gains won't be keepable. You'll blow up with water weight then drop it all when you stop. How old r u

 

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36! Been training since mid 20s and used prohormones in past.......had couple of years out thru injury and strength plus size has nosedived.

Would it help with strength gains at all?

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[hulkamainia 119]

Anadrol or "abol" will give you strength and mass gains but the gains will be hard to maintain due to the "water weight" that you will put on, most of your weight will be water but THAT dosent mean all of it is, you can still make gains but its alot harder to do with anadrol, plus it is a harsh steriod on the liver, that's why almost every one says "don't do it" its just water weight" inject you big pussy" okay that last one was a joke but you get my point, there are far better oral only cycles which will build quality lean keepable gains, I would research alittle more bro, there are tons of different options (and better) than anadrol.

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[RADAR]

^^^^ This, Tbol would be alot better, you get lean muscle like Dbol except No muscle bloat like dbol and lots of strength, and it's alot better if you add some test, there will come a time you will have to inject to keep more of your gains, Thats when the fun starts!

 

[Jbranken]

Anadrol or "abol" will give you strength and mass gains but the gains will be hard to maintain due to the "water weight" that you will put on, most of your weight will be water but THAT dosent mean all of it is, you can still make gains but its alot harder to do with anadrol, plus it is a harsh steriod on the liver, that's why almost every one says "don't do it" its just water weight" inject you big pussy" okay that last one was a joke but you get my point, there are far better oral only cycles which will build quality lean keepable gains, I would research alittle more bro, there are tons of different options (and better) than anadrol.

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I think he actually means 'anabol', the uk version of dbol or some crap. not that it's relevant lol

 

[Jbranken]

^^^^ This, Tbol would be alot better, you get lean muscle like Dbol except No muscle and lots of strength, and it's alot better if you add some test, there will come a time you will have to inject to keep more of your gains, Thats when the fun starts!

I second tbol. It is by far my favorite oral. It's the best of dbol and anavar in one!

 

[wootoom]

Tbol is a great drug. Proviron and Tbol are great

 

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Thanks all......your advice is very much appreciated!!!!!

.......and yes anabol not anadrol, its methandione and very similar to dbol, it is made in Thailand i think ( hope im not breaking any rules by saying that??????)

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Tbol?? Thats turinabol?

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[hulkamainia 119]

I think he actually means 'anabol', the uk version of dbol or some crap. not that it's relevant lol

My bad, but you get my point! Tbol for days lol

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Anabol or Dianabol, which is also commonly known as D-bol among users, is the second anabolic steroid ever created, and also one of the most popular steroid. The reason for the wide popularity of the steroid is its effectiveness in the development of large and impressive muscles within a matter of weeks. Anabol is a powerful oral steroid, that provides a gain in both mass and strength. The powerful effect of the steroid makes it popular among bodybuilders.

Anabol is often used at the beginning of a cycle, to start off the bodybuilding cycle. When used at the starting of the cycle, the steroid yields quick and brilliant results, which can be followed on by injectable steroids to maintain and enhance the effect. The steroid significantly increases the protein synthesis and nitrogen retention within the muscle cells, that is responsible for the mass gain. Stacking it with injectables gives further better results. Young bodybuilders who just start on their bodybuilding cycle, like and demand Anabol, the most among all other steroids. Apart, from being used in starting cycles, the steroid is also used between cycles and as a means to recovery from a cycle.

However, being a powerful anabolic steroid, there are side effects to the steroid as well. The steroids that are anabolic in nature often suffer from disadvantages like bloating and sometimes, 'gyno', which is the condition where there is development of female tissue under the nipples in male. Also, being an oral steroid, it can affect the liver. However, a favorable attribute of the steroid is that it does not shut the natural testosterone production in the body. Before using the steroid, a person should be completely aware of the effects, side effects and directions of use.

These side effects can be reduced to some extent, if the right process for use of the steroid is known. Firstly, since the drug has powerful effects, it should be used in limited dosages. The cycle of the steroid should be kept below ten weeks, with appropriate dose. There are estrogen inhibitors like Arimidex and etc, that can be combined with the Anabol 5mg cycle for reducing the side effects the steroid may result in. To minimize the effect of the steroid on liver, a liver protective supplement is advisable.

 

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Thats the first time Ive been given an answer in a forum which corresponds to my own research!!!! Am i right in saying that the hpta shutdown doesnt occur so much because of the half life of the steroid in the body of 3to 4 hrs which is one of the reasons why the dose is generally split throughout the day..........the other being your liver wont thank you for taking between 6&10 5mg tabs (dependant on daily dose) orally all at once!!!!

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.......and feel free to shoot me.down in flames if im wrong, newbie gotta learn lol!

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Thats the first time Ive been given an answer in a forum which corresponds to my own research!!!! Am i right in saying that the hpta shutdown doesnt occur so much because of the half life of the steroid in the body of 3to 4 hrs which is one of the reasons why the dose is generally split throughout the day..........the other being your liver wont thank you for taking between 6&10 5mg tabs (dependant on daily dose) orally all at once!!!!

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I didn't say take 6-10 tabs, this is where people mess up thinking that shutdown will not occur, if you are taking that much then the cycle should be kept to 4 weeks or less.

 

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The newbie stands corrected lol .........many thanks again to everyone who has responded to my thread, really is very much appreciated!!!

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^^^^ This, Tbol would be alot better, you get lean muscle like Dbol except No muscle bloat like dbol and lots of strength, and it's alot better if you add some test, there will come a time you will have to inject to keep more of your gains, Thats when the fun starts!

Hi guys. Unfortunately i have a reason for steering clear of injectables for now which i could divulge however at my utmost embarrassment lol so looking at oral at the moment.

Looking at oral cycles i was thinking having done some reading of either Tbol or anavar, and given that my goals are to put on a bit of size and boost my strength rather than cut i thought i would give Tbol a shot.

Can you advise on how best to use it for max gains in size and strength, noting that while it doesnt aromatise it is liver toxic and at high doses it causes hpta suppression and can cause debilitating muscle pumps!

Was thinking say 20-30mg per day for 4 weeks? Would this be enough to see some gains?

I know this in no way compares to using test however pinned.gear is a no go at the momemt.

Would again much appreciate any advice or input from anyone.

Thanks

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[Jbranken]

I love tbol! Though I'd advise atleast using a transdermal test. Maybe some rs transaderm but its your call. Run it for 6 weeks at 50-60 mg. 60 is the norm, and usually the sweet spot. If you are concerned with sides, start at 30-40mg the first week and increase as you feel comfortable. Hope this helps

 

[NegroPops]

while on cycle, you will be God. When off.. not so much. Dbol and Tbol is a much better option for an oral only cycle. Easier to keep the gains you make, and you will be less likely to be walking around with yellow skin.

 

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Thanks for that and not embarrasing me by asking for my teasons lol. I was gonna run 4wks clomid as PCT and ALA. &milk thistle during.for liver protection but is there anything else i should be taking during the cycle to help with hpta suppression or is that where the rs transderm comes in?

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[NegroPops]

I would visit n2bm.com or mrsupps.com for things to run for support while on cycle. If you decide to run Anadrol or Dbol you will need an AI during cycle because both of those compounds will convert to estrogen very easily. Something like Armidex (.5 mg EOD) or Aromasin (12.5 mg EOD) would work well, can't get those from n2bm or mrsupps though. Tbol doesn't convert to estrogen so an AI most likely will not be needed if you chose to run that. Also, Milk Thistle won't do much for protecting your liver. N2Guard from n2bm.com is a much better option and covers more than just your liver. For HPTA suppression, run HCGenerate during cycle to keep your sack active.

As for your PCT, Clomid at 25 mg a day for 4 weeks, ran with Forma Stanzol from mrsupps ( 5 pumps twice a day) is the way to go. Then add in a natural test booster with some DAA and you will be good to go.

 

[Jbranken]

Transaderm will keep libido up but you'll be suppressed no matter what by the end of it. That's why pct is so important.

Thanks for that and not embarrasing me by asking for my teasons lol.

No prob man. sex changes are a personal journey and I wouldn't dare tell these guys..

 

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Thanks chaps for the advice, very much appreciated, will check out Mr supps tonight!!!!!



Ps sex change? Damn! I thought i could pass these off as gyno but i guess its true what they say about implants

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I would visit n2bm.com or mrsupps.com for things to run for support while on cycle. If you decide to run Anadrol or Dbol you will need an AI during cycle because both of those compounds will convert to estrogen very easily. Something like Armidex (.5 mg EOD) or Aromasin (12.5 mg EOD) would work well, can't get those from n2bm or mrsupps though. Tbol doesn't convert to estrogen so an AI most likely will not be needed if you chose to run that. Also, Milk Thistle won't do much for protecting your liver. N2Guard from n2bm.com is a much better option and covers more than just your liver. For HPTA suppression, run HCGenerate during cycle to keep your sack active.

As for your PCT, Clomid at 25 mg a day for 4 weeks, ran with Forma Stanzol from mrsupps ( 5 pumps twice a day) is the way to go. Then add in a natural test booster with some DAA and you will be good to go.

Just a quick one, if hcgenerate prevents hpta shutdown which means you are still producing your own test on cycle, wont any test you produce be aromatised into estrogen, given that you are not using an AI, your body will try and equalize hormone levels and Tbol itself doesnt aromatise?

Or am i overthinking it?????

Thanks again!!!

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[Jbranken]

Overthinking bro. HCGenerate will keep the boys full and libido up but avoiding shutdown in a cycle is impossible. Now, there are definitely supps and ancillaries that can help the transition to pct much smoother, but the hpta will need a full arsenal in pct to recover

 

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Gotcha, thanks again for the advice!!!! Much appreciated!!

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[RADAR]

Overthinking bro. HCGenerate will keep the boys full and libido up but avoiding shutdown in a cycle is impossible. Now, there are definitely supps and ancillaries that can help the transition to pct much smoother, but the hpta will need a full arsenal in pct to recover

Agreed! 2 of the most important things to add for PCT is Post cycle to help restart your HPTA and unleashed to free SHBG (sex hormone biding globlin.Daa and a light dose of clomid 25/25/25/25 should make recovery alot smoother.

 

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Chaps all the advice is very much appreciated, the only problem Ive got being UK based is i can get hold of hcgenerate and n 2guard from a UK stockist but not forma, Post Cycle or Unleashed and i believe its very expensive to import. Are there any alternatives? I can get hold of DAA, Chrysin and DIM etc plus at home Ive already got clomid and also some PES Erase pro, esto suppress and androbolix original. Will any of these be useful?

May even then be able to afford importing something if i had to.

As always your advice very much appreciated.

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[Jbranken]

Erase is pretty good. Use it in place of forma if you can't get it. Unleashed would be nice but you'll live without.