AAS use and Canabis Usage...

[swordfish151]

Im not to familiar with "other" drugs too well and the effects it would have on a cycle...but was wondering (cause I know some of you very well do this) Is smoking canabis say once a week or once every other week detrimental to your cycle? I dont smoke myself but often pondered this due to the fact there are some "pot heads" in my gym that smoke and use AAS.

 

[mikefear]

I doubt it's that big of a deal. If anything, it will help you eat more

But besides the respiratory effects, I don't think it's much of an issue so toke up every now and again

 

[littleb]

I dont touch it, but i will have a beer or two or three every once and a while, ,out of the two i would say the beer prob worse..

 

[drrman]

fuck no bro, it won't hurt you at all

 

[Pride Fighting Fan]

Arnold smoked, so it cant hurt your gains too bad. Smoke up!

 

[BigCracker]

Only losers do drugs m-kay? Wait a minute-roids are drugs. Bummer. Daily toker here since age 17 or so-smoke pre workout daily. I even smoke before going on stage. It's not uncommon for me to pull in the Gold's parking lot and see my bros that compete smoking a fatty post workout either.

Be prepared for some moron with his 1960's data to tell you weed increases estrogen levels even though it was disproven 20-30 yrs ago.

Something tells me you're privy to this 411 already and you're just trying to stir the pot. This subject always draws criticism from the self righteous guys that think roids are ok, but all other drugs are not. Then again, plenty of guys here take Rx happy meds like Prozac and Paxil without a 2nd thought-withdrawl from these drugs include suicidal thoughts-yet they point the fatty finger at guys for smoking weed. Whatever. This whole subject is like beating a dead horse. I just recommend smoking the good, hydro stuff. This way you won't need to smoke as much for desired effect while minimizing the amount of toxins you're inhaling into your lungs.

 

[abomb]

I smoke everyday before I hit the gym and after.

 

[swordfish151]

Only losers do drugs m-kay? Wait a minute-roids are drugs. Bummer. Daily toker here since age 17 or so-smoke pre workout daily. I even smoke before going on stage. It's not uncommon for me to pull in the Gold's parking lot and see my bros that compete smoking a fatty post workout either.

Be prepared for some moron with his 1960's data to tell you weed increases estrogen levels even though it was disproven 20-30 yrs ago.

Something tells me you're privy to this 411 already and you're just trying to stir the pot. This subject always draws criticism from the self righteous guys that think roids are ok, but all other drugs are not. Then again, plenty of guys here take Rx happy meds like Prozac and Paxil without a 2nd thought-withdrawl from these drugs include suicidal thoughts-yet they point the fatty finger at guys for smoking weed. Whatever. This whole subject is like beating a dead horse. I just recommend smoking the good, hydro stuff. This way you won't need to smoke as much for desired effect while minimizing the amount of toxins you're inhaling into your lungs.

Not trying to stir the pot at all..but more or less educate myself on the subject...i have nothing against people's "choices" for recreation..to each their own, but its always a good thing to have an educated answer on any given subject. Thanks for your input.

 

[GOLUAN]

Someone send me some..dammit..im out! LOL..I need somet of that sticky ickky ickky...

 

[Ulter]

Smoking can increase your chances of gyno. Not from estrogen, from prolactin. Otherwise it's fine.

 

[BigCracker]

I'm staring at an oz of Amsterdam quality stuff right now. Pussy and new car interiors are the only 2 things in life that smell better. Freshly printed cash from the mint out of an ATM gets honorable mention.

 

[Bruce]

i smoke all day all night, hit the gym baked, do all my work baked. i love it and its the only thing that calms down my ADD. i think i'd of killed several people if it wasn't for mj. it doesnt effect you at all. i used to smoke before lacrosse and we won state so it was not an easy game. i just feel more concentrated.

 

[drrman]

FUCKING MASTER......FUCK OFF ROSS

You must spread some Karma around before giving it to *The Master* again.

 

[RaoulDuke..]

Only losers do drugs m-kay? Wait a minute-roids are drugs. Bummer. Daily toker here since age 17 or so-smoke pre workout daily. I even smoke before going on stage. It's not uncommon for me to pull in the Gold's parking lot and see my bros that compete smoking a fatty post workout either.

Be prepared for some moron with his 1960's data to tell you weed increases estrogen levels even though it was disproven 20-30 yrs ago.

Something tells me you're privy to this 411 already and you're just trying to stir the pot. This subject always draws criticism from the self righteous guys that think roids are ok, but all other drugs are not. Then again, plenty of guys here take Rx happy meds like Prozac and Paxil without a 2nd thought-withdrawl from these drugs include suicidal thoughts-yet they point the fatty finger at guys for smoking weed. Whatever. This whole subject is like beating a dead horse. I just recommend smoking the good, hydro stuff. This way you won't need to smoke as much for desired effect while minimizing the amount of toxins you're inhaling into your lungs.

whats up cracker. i agree w/ you that the 'reefer madness' propaganda is hugely biased and it needs to be taken into consideration who and where the information is coming from. i'm the last guy who will deamonize weed. it's a great addition to my life. with that said, i have noticed that that the little bit of gyno i have seems to flare up when i'm toking frequently (one or more times a day) i've read a lot of plastic surgeons cite mj as a possible cause of gyno, but haven't heard a solid explaination behind it. assuming thc does nothing to estrogen levels, any thoughts as to what the cause would be?

 

[hanibal]

i burn before almost every workout and always on way home. doesn't effect my cycles or workouts.

 

[abomb]

I'm staring at an oz of Amsterdam quality stuff right now. Pussy and new car interiors are the only 2 things in life that smell better. Freshly printed cash from the mint out of an ATM gets honorable mention.

You suck. Im out and it's dry as a bone around here.

 

[Bruce]

you think i'm playin but i'm ain't joe king, the dro king if it ain't purple i ain't smoking

 

[GOLUAN]

EY BRUCE!..IM Coming over to smoke w/ u this weekend..

 

[Bruce]

anytime goluan, if you in the windy i'll get you lit up fo sho, but if i come to a town i wanna bankhead bounce, best part is its delivery anytime anyday

 

[cranny]

I'm staring at an oz of Amsterdam quality stuff right now. Pussy and new car interiors are the only 2 things in life that smell better. Freshly printed cash from the mint out of an ATM gets honorable mention.

LMAO

 

[Big O]

I'd say it absolutely helps me when bulking...I'ma eating machine when i hit it...which is every day....i've been smoking since I was 13 i'm now 47 soon to be 48....and been using gear since 1981..or there abouts.

 

[al420]

Bruce your making me sick. I live in Austin TX which is the home of KB, but it is dry as a bone here till Sunday best case.......... I HATE BEING OUT.....I'm sure there is some schwag around, but I wouldnt even know where to get it.....might need to call good ol Willie Nelson!!!!!!!!!!

 

[booby]

i dont know much about weed since im a non smoker,but i cant see how taking any smoke into your lungs could be good for you?...i mean at the least its got to effect your cardio and oxygen levels in your blood stream,wich in turn will effect anarobic performance...i read that smoking cigerettes decreases muscular strength by 30% because of the smae effects.

i dont see how anyone serious about improving there body and performance levels would be smoking and drinking at all while on a cycle? just my opinion,and i am not judging anyone!

*goes and snorts a fat line of coke*.....j/k lol

 

[motodawg]

I used to burn it all day long, before during and after school, did it for a good 20 years solid now i'm gettin older i still like to get ripped on occasion, when i smoked all the time i was never loaded now the smallest amount and i'm burnt it's great, eat eat eat, natures prozac.... I never heard of anyone smokin then robbing a bank maybe a baskin and robbins

 

[GOLUAN]

anytime goluan, if you in the windy i'll get you lit up fo sho, but if i come to a town i wanna bankhead bounce, best part is its delivery anytime anyday

LOL @ BANKHEAD BOUNCE..hahah thats funny shit..havnt heard that in years...

 

[jcohen]

I smoke at least twice a day, everyday. I just finished a Primo/Tren Ace/Winstrol/Clen cycle, with GREAT results. Definitely my best cycle yet, out of 5. So, from my experience smoke that shit.

 

[looking to lean]

gentlemen.. come on now... Im the one who lives in BC Canada! Vancouver Island at that! I think the King of Chron is writing this post. lol

Get yourselves a Volcano or Super Vapezilla vaporizer and let the 'smoke factor be gone'. with it (and lots of cardio), my lungs have never felt better.

I think you all need to come by my place to try it out and the many varieties at my finger tips

 

[DannoMight]

I torque a few bowls of some high quality shit ed. Does it look like I'm affected negativetly? Hell no mofo. Now light that shit up if you know whats good for ya.

 

[Fajitas]

 

[hanibal]

i burned 3g of some serious bud from brooklyn in the past 24 hrs. in those 24 hrs i had an excellent leg workout w/ cardio and abs and a superb shoulder workout w/ cardio today. the winny i think is kickin already too after just 4 days. after this weekend im gonna cut down to about 3g a week instead of 2 or 3 a day. i don't feel like blowing alot of $ on it anymore.

 

[al420]

gentlemen.. come on now... Im the one who lives in BC Canada! Vancouver Island at that! I think the King of Chron is writing this post. lol

Get yourselves a Volcano or Super Vapezilla vaporizer and let the 'smoke factor be gone'. with it (and lots of cardio), my lungs have never felt better.

I think you all need to come by my place to try it out and the many varieties at my finger tips

Count me in ....... gotta link on where to buy the better vapo?

 

[BigCracker]

i dont see how anyone serious about improving there body and performance levels would be smoking and drinking at all while on a cycle? just my opinion,and i am not judging anyone!

*goes and snorts a fat line of coke*.....j/k lol

Try hitting an after party for a pro contest-you'll see there's no shortage of pro bb's and amateurs abusing alcohol, coke, E, weed, Rx/injectable painkillers(Nubain), etc. I even know of a couple pros that smoke a couple packs of cigs a day. This doesn't make it healthy, or morally correct, but then again neither is AAS use.


Personally I think the sides from smoking weed are pretty tame when compared to the sides of the popular, more socially acceptable "happy meds" advertised on the 6 o clock news. If you think about it, most guys that can overcome the "dirty needle/junkie" stigma of injectable AAS use, is probably not going to have any fear of smoking weed or tooting up a line of blow.

Personally I prefer weed over alcohol because it doesn't have any calories and won't affect my workout the next day. Also, the munchies-thing is mind over matter. After you've smoked awhile weed can be used as an appetite suppressant when dieting as well. Weed + ECA = poor man's speedball.

 

[DannoMight]

Try hitting an after party for a pro contest-you'll see there's no shortage of pro bb's and amateurs abusing alcohol, coke, E, weed, Rx/injectable painkillers(Nubain), etc. I even know of a couple pros that smoke a couple packs of cigs a day. This doesn't make it healthy, or morally correct, but then again neither is AAS use.


Personally I think the sides from smoking weed are pretty tame when compared to the sides of the popular, more socially acceptable "happy meds" advertised on the 6 o clock news. If you think about it, most guys that can overcome the "dirty needle/junkie" stigma of injectable AAS use, is probably not going to have any fear of smoking weed or tooting up a line of blow.

Personally I prefer weed over alcohol because it doesn't have any calories and won't affect my workout the next day. Also, the munchies-thing is mind over matter. After you've smoked awhile weed can be used as an appetite suppressant when dieting as well. Weed + ECA = poor man's speedball.

shit I get high even when cutting water or a little while before hitting the stage to calm my nerves.

 

[abomb]

Personally I prefer weed over alcohol because it doesn't have any calories and won't affect my workout the next day. Also, the munchies-thing is mind over matter. After you've smoked awhile weed can be used as an appetite suppressant when dieting as well. Weed + ECA = poor man's speedball.

Amen. Hangovers suck.

 

[mm107]

Try hitting an after party for a pro contest-you'll see there's no shortage of pro bb's and amateurs abusing alcohol, coke, E, weed, Rx/injectable painkillers(Nubain), etc. I even know of a couple pros that smoke a couple packs of cigs a day. This doesn't make it healthy, or morally correct, but then again neither is AAS use.


Personally I think the sides from smoking weed are pretty tame when compared to the sides of the popular, more socially acceptable "happy meds" advertised on the 6 o clock news. If you think about it, most guys that can overcome the "dirty needle/junkie" stigma of injectable AAS use, is probably not going to have any fear of smoking weed or tooting up a line of blow.

Personally I prefer weed over alcohol because it doesn't have any calories and won't affect my workout the next day. Also, the munchies-thing is mind over matter. After you've smoked awhile weed can be used as an appetite suppressant when dieting as well. Weed + ECA = poor man's speedball.

i never realized it, im on ECA and then smoke after my workout. Ive been speedballing for months now! lol

i need my weed man, i cant drink, i get violent for some reason, no matter what, 1-2 beers dont cut it, dont feel it, and when i feel it its too late, usually have over a gallon in me =x and i dont get sick, i stay drunk and i THINK i hellucinate because im fuckin deraged man. SO weed is all me =]

They say somking raisis your estrogen levels, but they they had a study to proove it wrong, so who knows. Arnold smokes, so do i

 

[BigCracker]

They say somking raisis your estrogen levels, but they they had a study to proove it wrong, so who knows. Arnold smokes, so do i

The increased estrogen myth was debunked a long time ago.

Here's a link to links

http://www.marijuana.com/420/showpost.php?p=297394&postcount=9

It's kinda funny that my dad was a liquor store owner and I was never deprived booze as a kid, yet I think I've drank 2 beers in the past year. At age 5 my dad would pour me a small frosted mug of beer and let me taste whiskey off of his finger. Certain liquor stores in my hometown paid off the powers that be and sold to underage kids all the time. I was buying 6 packs on my own at age 16 w/ no ID. I also was grandfathered in before the nationwide drinking age was 21 so I could drink legally at age 19 in the state of Wisconsin. By age 22 or so I was so burnt out on booze I seldom drank unless I was loosening up my date to close the deal. As liberal as my folks were about beer-they thought weed was the devil incarnate and absolutely had zero tolerance of me getting high. I was around weed since 4th grade, and I think half of my 5th grade class got high at our class picnic. I even knew 2nd graders that got high before school. In high school I got busted for minor possession of alcohol and I got a mere slap on the wrist from my normally over-strict parents-but when they found half a joint in my room at 17 I was stripped of all priveleges as if I had just shot the pope in the face wiuth a 12 gauge. Funny how the one substance my parents were nazis about was the one vice I carried with me into adulthood. Thank God I don't have kids. How one would go about keeping them off of drugs is a challenge I wouldn't want to take on. Especially today with drugs like E, Special K and tweek. It seems like zero tolerance would only increase the curiosity factor like weed did with me. Yet at the same time I wouldn't want my kid sitting around smoking dope and playing xbox while being jobless and blowing off their schoolwork.

 

[karachi183]

outstanding thread lol

 

[swordfish151]

Learning alot actually...thanks to all that respond with experience and input.

 

[BigCracker]

whats up cracker. i agree w/ you that the 'reefer madness' propaganda is hugely biased and it needs to be taken into consideration who and where the information is coming from. i'm the last guy who will deamonize weed. it's a great addition to my life. with that said, i have noticed that that the little bit of gyno i have seems to flare up when i'm toking frequently (one or more times a day) i've read a lot of plastic surgeons cite mj as a possible cause of gyno, but haven't heard a solid explaination behind it. assuming thc does nothing to estrogen levels, any thoughts as to what the cause would be?

Like ulter said-prolactin levels?

 

[Cauliflower Ear]

i used to smoke all day...i am more productive and train harder when i dont...but when i turn 50 and am done fighting hard...i am gonna be on my porch with a fatty in my mouth.....(a fatty of chronic that is)

 

[BuddaBill]

Cannibus is by far the most benign recreational drug one can use. Any negative side effects (amotivational syndrome, impaired short term memory) are reversable upon cessation. Granted there are issues with the delivery mechanism (i.e. smoking) as any microparticulant is unhealthy for the lungs. But as a previous poster suggested you can get around this by utilizing a vaporizer.
Tragic as it may be MJ and AAS are (IMHO) the best treatment for wasting disorders like cancer and AIDS, but are so demonized by mainstream media we will not likely see their acceptance in the forseeable future.

 

[StRoNg_WoN]

I've smoked every day for years... just recently I quit, and I get a LOT more shit done... lol... but ya... other then the lazy factor.. it's never been a problem for me...

 

[BigCracker]

Cannibus is by far the most benign recreational drug one can use. Any negative side effects (amotivational syndrome, impaired short term memory) are reversable upon cessation. Granted there are issues with the delivery mechanism (i.e. smoking) as any microparticulant is unhealthy for the lungs. But as a previous poster suggested you can get around this by utilizing a vaporizer.
Tragic as it may be MJ and AAS are (IMHO) the best treatment for wasting disorders like cancer and AIDS, but are so demonized by mainstream media we will not likely see their acceptance in the forseeable future.

I wouldn't say it's the mainstream media's demonization that's responsible for MJ's ongoing illegal status so much as the the big $$$ Alcohol, tobacco, and Rx companies that don't want any extra competition. Like they don't have enough $$$ already???

 

[BuddaBill]

BigCracker,
You're absolutly correct. I blame the media more for AAS than MJ (sorry I wasn't being very clear in my post). Several theories abound concerning the criminalization of marijuana, but one thing's for sure: It is ridiculous for adults not to have the right to consume any substance they desire.

That being said. I think you hit the nail right on the head, particularly with the Rx component. If MJ were to go head-to-head with SSRIs the Mercks and Phizers of the world would surely take one on the chin. I'm especially leary of that particular class of psychotropic drugs b/c I firmly believe that wholesale manipulation of any neurotransmitter is akin to using a sledgehammer when a more delicate approach is in order.
Your contributions to this discussion are greatly appreciated.

 

[Bozwell]

If you want to get really wasted eat some good hash
no smoke, no problem it also coverts the delta 9 thc into delta 12thc(I think its 12)which it much more potent

 

[BigCracker]

If you want to get really wasted eat some good hash
no smoke, no problem it also coverts the delta 9 thc into delta 12thc(I think its 12)which it much more potent

Sweet Kief!

 

[immortalis]

I didnt read any of the posts on this thread other than the original post by SF, however I smoke every night and I dont notice it hindering my gains whatsoever.

The only negative that I can tie in is when I am cutting and then late at night I always want to cheat on my diet cause I got the god damn munchies... i usually get the munchies WAY more from xanax tho hehe.