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outlawaf

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I wanted to see if they were any die hard baseball finds here that feel if the game is being shitted on by players juicing. I do not believe that using anything to better yourself or look is wrong, but when you take it to the professional sports and start breaking records like babe ruth, hank arron, mark mcguire and other greats that did it from the past clean, I do see something wrong with that. I am glad that basketball, football and boxing test for all drugs and I really wish that baseball would too. Barry Bonds and Sammy Sosa are great people I’m sure but you can look at them and tell there is something not natural about there bodies. What do ya'll think about aas and professional sports?
:fro:
 
Thats funny i dont care if they juice or not but mark mcguire was a juicer too so dont think for one second he did it clean.
 
bonds - juicer
sosa - juicer
big mac - juicer
canseco - juicer
the list goes on and on...

i think baseball is much more enjoyable nowadays than ever before.

the players are stronger and hitting balls harder. the fielders are faster, and pitchers are throwing serious heat.
 
Alls fair in love and war. Bro, you know me, and that I'm up front about this stuff. There are not natural atheles in the modern era of sports. All of those olympic records set in the 70's up to the present? Set by aas users. Really, baseball is a level playing field. Everyone in it is in the united states, so they have access to the same drugs. They all make enough money to afford whatever drugs they need. Thus, it is alot more of a level playing field than say the olympics, where different atheletes come from different countries and may not have access to the same drugs, especially if their country is not suppling them for them and they must find them and use their own limited funds to purchase them. It isn't cheating if everyone is doing it, and everyone has physical and finacial access to the same drugs.
 
"It isn't cheating if everyone is doing it, and everyone has physical and finacial access to the same drugs."

come on bodybywhatever, that is still cheating if the game is suppose to be talent against talent, not who has the best stuff and body response to it the best.
 
As far as testing, it won't help that much. They test in the olympics too. Really this is something I could carry on a long conversation about. Grab me after lab tonight.
 
if someone has a chance at a million bucks or nothing based on their athletic performance, don't ya think they might USE? Anyone thinks that they arent rampant at the elite levels in sports are just being blind. Gymnastics, Archery, Track and field...the list is huge. Not to say that if you or I took what they take we'd be worth a crap.

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Ya know what, bottom line is it's all about the fans. If there were no fans there'd be no professional players making millions. Fans want to see home runs & spectacular plays. Although true baseball fans (including myself) appreciate a pitching duel, we all want to see a huge blast into the seats/scoreboard or out of the park. I say let 'em juice, besides, I doubt you'll ever see MLB being tested, they have probably the first or 2nd strongest union in the world.
 
Personally I could car less what professional athletes do or do not do. I do however care when our government gets involved to police these organizations. Why on earth should the tax dollars I spend be wasted dealing with organizations who make the kind of money they do. They can police themselves.
 
to think that most of these players dont juice is insane. just because they are not open about it does not mean that they dont or have not juiced in the past. i have a few friends that play professional sports and they will all testify that a good majority of them do a good amount of it in the off season.
 
satchboogie said:
bonds - juicer
sosa - juicer
big mac - juicer
canseco - juicer
the list goes on and on...

i think baseball is much more enjoyable nowadays than ever before.

the players are stronger and hitting balls harder. the fielders are faster, and pitchers are throwing serious heat.
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I don't think Bonds, Sosa or McQwire juiced... Here is why. McGwire hit 48 homers as a rookie and he was a beanpole. He lifted weights and built his body up... but nothing that anyone couldn't achieve naturally.

Bonds was always a good hitter, but what he has learned to do in the past 6 years is lay off balls out of the strikezone. No amount of steroids will develop the eye for the strikezone that he has. His patience at the plate is unmatched.

Sosa... maybe he did juice... but I doubt it. He was pretty lanky when he started and he hacked at a lot of horrible pitches when he was younger. It just looks like he just filled out to me and gained some patience.

Also, satch is right. Almost every pitcher now a days throws in the low to mid 90's as a rule. Back in the 40's, 50's 60', 70's there were only a few of those guys... this also makes the ball fly further. Also... more teams with more guys throwing fast cheese. Most MLB players will eat up a fastball quicker than shit. Many of these guys in the big leagues would have been in double or triple AAA in the past.

Another thing that never gets mentioned is that players have switched to Maple bats, rather than Ash (Bonds most notably). Maple is a little stronger, stiffer, and harder than Ash. Combine this with proper training and it is easy to see how some of these records are falling.
 
Ive been a baseball player all my life, since tee ball. Always loved the sport, in my opinion I dont see anything wrong with it. Juice is something that everyone else COULD do, you could have all the power in the world and not know how to swing the bat, and your ball is going absolutely no where. so as for skill there is still plenty involved. And I just want to close by saying this.


Chicks dig the long ball :)

DecaBane
 
EVISCERATOR.....

i wasnt there in the locker room to see them sticking, but bonds blew up like crazy style from 1999.

sosa too.
 
I'm college baseball player and a lot of us juice. It just isn't the hitters, pitchers are gearing also, maybe more than hitters. Steriods arent the biggest problem either "greenies" (speed) are a bigger problem, with worst side effects. What ever it takes to go pro!
 
satchboogie said:
EVISCERATOR.....

i wasnt there in the locker room to see them sticking, but bonds blew up like crazy style from 1999.

sosa too.
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Bonds never weight trained before that year... or so he says. Not sure about Sosa... The point is this... Hitting home runs requires a lot more than big muscles. Patience and command of the strikezone are acquired skills. Also... there are a lot of factors that contribute to the records falling as I noted.

If they juiced... I really don't care... Hell... I think every baseball player should have to do a mandatory 12 week cycle per year... but then again... I am not the commisioner.
 
the reason bonds hits em out is because he uses a light bat.
bat speed is much more detrimental in hitting home runs than the weight of the bat.

he's strong as fuck and can wait that split second longer before comitting to the pitch... THATS HIS SECRET that most dont know.
 
Eviscerator, you obviously know your shit. I always get a kick out of this question. Steroids Im sure help, but what Bonds did is amazing. The man was intentionally walked 68 times last season and only struck out 42 times! That is crazy. Tony Gwynn said when they played a 4 game series against the Giants, not once was Barry fooled on a pitch the entire series! Again, crazy.......John Smoltz who is todays premier closer gets everyone out with the nastiest split in ball, but who lays off it and always takes him yard. you guessed it..........Bonds. Steroids dont do that. We are talking about a man who takes care of himself and basically still has skills of a 28 yr old, but has the mind of a 39yr old. That is what makes the difference......Yes I do understand alot of ball players juice and it helps some, but some it just hurts. I just dont this should take away from what Bonds has accomplished.........................galaxy
 
tdf drugs

Here is a list of stuff found in the 02 third place finisher's ( Raimondas Rumsas) girl friends car right after the race ended. Some nice selections..

3 flasks of Actovegin
1 flask of Norditropin penset 24 (growth hormone)
1 flask of TAD 600
1 flask of solvent for Norditropin
1 injection of Actrapid Novolet (insulin)
1 box of Spascupreel
1 box of albumine humaine 20 %
1 box of Ubichinon Compositum (co-enzyme Q)
2 boxes of Thyreoida Compositum (hormone extracts)
3 boxes of Testis Compositum (hormone extracts)
2 ampoules of Coffeinum (caffeine)
1 ampoule of Celestone (anti-inflammatory)
1 ampoule of Benexol B12 5000 (vitamins)
3 ampoules of Ketonal
3 flasks of Kenacort retard (corticoids)
1 box of Toco 500 (vitamin E)
1 bottle of sodium chloride 0.9
3 capsules of No Spa Forte
15 capsules of Durvitan (caffeine)
10 ampoules and one tablet of Pentohexal 300 (vasodilator)
1 box and three tablets of MAG 2 (magnesium)
12 capsules of Ozothine
15 capsules of Optalidon
2 packets of Eurythrox 50
2 boxes of Immunoferon (immuno-stimulants)
2 boxes of Trofalgon
1 box of Androderm (testosterone)
6 capsules and one ampoule of Alphalipon (improves nervous functions)
2 tablets of Stilnox
4 capsules of Oltramp
30 tablets of Bentelan (corticoids)
30 tablets and 4 ampoules of Voltaren (anti-inflammatory)
3 tablets of Praxilen
1 tablet of Cafiaspirina (caffeine and aspirin)
1 ampoule of sterile water and one flask of Haes-Steril
1 flask of Geref (enhances production of endogenous HG)
 
Re: tdf drugs

twistedneck said:
Here is a list of stuff found in the 02 third place finisher's ( Raimondas Rumsas) girl friends car right after the race ended. Some nice selections..

3 flasks of Actovegin
1 flask of Norditropin penset 24 (growth hormone)
1 flask of TAD 600
1 flask of solvent for Norditropin
1 injection of Actrapid Novolet (insulin)
1 box of Spascupreel
1 box of albumine humaine 20 %
1 box of Ubichinon Compositum (co-enzyme Q)
2 boxes of Thyreoida Compositum (hormone extracts)
3 boxes of Testis Compositum (hormone extracts)
2 ampoules of Coffeinum (caffeine)
1 ampoule of Celestone (anti-inflammatory)
1 ampoule of Benexol B12 5000 (vitamins)
3 ampoules of Ketonal
3 flasks of Kenacort retard (corticoids)
1 box of Toco 500 (vitamin E)
1 bottle of sodium chloride 0.9
3 capsules of No Spa Forte
15 capsules of Durvitan (caffeine)
10 ampoules and one tablet of Pentohexal 300 (vasodilator)
1 box and three tablets of MAG 2 (magnesium)
12 capsules of Ozothine
15 capsules of Optalidon
2 packets of Eurythrox 50
2 boxes of Immunoferon (immuno-stimulants)
2 boxes of Trofalgon
1 box of Androderm (testosterone)
6 capsules and one ampoule of Alphalipon (improves nervous functions)
2 tablets of Stilnox
4 capsules of Oltramp
30 tablets of Bentelan (corticoids)
30 tablets and 4 ampoules of Voltaren (anti-inflammatory)
3 tablets of Praxilen
1 tablet of Cafiaspirina (caffeine and aspirin)
1 ampoule of sterile water and one flask of Haes-Steril
1 flask of Geref (enhances production of endogenous HG)
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thats alot of shit
 
I don't know about Marc McGwire and being on AAS. I would just look at his massive tree trunk arms that I would like to have for legs, and you have to wonder. But you know what - that's OK. it's too bad in our current world that they can't be more up-front about it. McGwire saying he did Andro only to improve his sex life with his wife...
 
I can't stand Bonds! No doubt he is a great baseball player but, I hate the fact that they let him get away with crowding the plate wearing that fucking suit of armor down his side to protect him from the inside pitch. I'd hit the bastard on purpose & many have.
 
Lets just say from being around college baseball there is a lot of aas being taken. Football, you start you take, especially at the non-skill posistions. Its that simple and you can be as naive as you want but thats the truth.
 
baseball is becoming dangerous for generations to come... i have an opinion... if Ruth and Maris did it i mean hitting with strenght and becoming great all natural profesional players then roids are out of the question ... i would prefer to take a look at Maris swing
than mark or sosa or bonds .
they are just a bunch of loosers compared with the great old ones.
i personally do not want my child to see those freaks in the big circus as a role model in his life.
they all suck!
 
baseball is becoming dangerous for generations to come... i have an opinion... if Ruth and Maris did it i mean hitting with strenght and becoming great all natural profesional players then roids are out of the question ... i would prefer to take a look at Maris swing
than mark or sosa or bonds .
they are just a bunch of loosers compared with the great old ones.
i personally do not want my child to see those freaks in the big circus as a role model in his life.
they all suck!
 
It is funny to see the differing of opinions. I would like to see most of the people on this board hit a 90+ mph fastball... Or tackle a pro-level running back without getting juked out of your shoes (or creamed by a blindsided block you did not see coming)

Fact is regardless of the juice- the people who play pro have talent most will never have. The juice might provide an advantage, but just like BB or powerlifting etc, the best would most likely be the best because of genetics and hard work (not neccessarily in that order) Most of the more experienced around here seem to know that. Most of the less exp seem either jealous of the talent these people have (and give all the credit to roids) or otherwise somehow unrealistic...

I've known lots that used in my athletic career (and some that did not), though I never did (thought it was cheating at the time), but knowing what I do now, I probably would have done things a little differently. Would it have changed things a ton? Probably not (I was one of the stronger people pound for pound anyway), but it definitely would not have hurt...
 
A lot of good points in this thread. Ive been playing professional baseball for 9 years now up to the AAA level and three major league spring trainings. Very correct in the fact that it takes the talent first to be where you want to be. You're not going to become a .300 hitter or throw 95 MPH by taking juice, it takes talent, plain and simple. But, the juice can have a large impact on performance, taking an average 88MPH fastball and making it a low 90's fastball. Adding an extra 20-30 ft on a flyball due to the extra strength and you get a lot more HR's instead of outs, jam shot basehits from the strength, etc. Being in the business for almost a decade, on average in the minor leagues alone where they do test for AAS and other drugs three times a year minimum, at least half of the players on the teams Ive been on (At the AA and AAA level) are on or have taken AAS. Anyone who thinks Bonds, Big Mac, Sammy dont use or havent used is just kidding themselves. Gagne is another good example. Having many friends at the major league level, its even more prevelant there (where they are actually now testing this year, however the results will not be made public and it is supposed to be a guideline that if the tests come back with more than 5% testing positive for AAS, that there will be future considerations for steroid testing). Granted the MLB testing is a joke, they are testing now, annonymously.
Anyway, I know most of you wont believe me or are on your own planet, I dont really care. Just passing on some info from someone IN the businees.
 
outlawaf said:
I wanted to see if they were any die hard baseball finds here that feel if the game is being shitted on by players juicing. I do not believe that using anything to better yourself or look is wrong, but when you take it to the professional sports and start breaking records like babe ruth, hank arron, mark mcguire and other greats that did it from the past clean, I do see something wrong with that. I am glad that basketball, football and boxing test for all drugs and I really wish that baseball would too. Barry Bonds and Sammy Sosa are great people I’m sure but you can look at them and tell there is something not natural about there bodies. What do ya'll think about aas and professional sports?
:fro:
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There really isnt as much of a line as you're thinking.

This is simply an issue of advancement.

In 100 years people may be crying foul because genetically enhanced Bobby Dillweed is breaking Barry Bond's record ...
 
mark macguire VERY LIKELY used AAS. one need only look at his earlier pics to come to this conclusion. the forearms are a dead give away.

btw- the andro "thing" was an obvious attempt to explain away the massive changes in his physique.

note- IMHO enhanced atheletes are more entertaining to watch.. though thats JMHO

a questions to those that are true "purists".. what about players that have a serious genetic advantage, should they be banned from the game? enforced physical mediocrity to level the playing field? just a question

or put another way.. is it unfair for you, who are geneticially challenged to level the playing field with drugs to play more evenly against someone who has very good genetics?

or put even more succinctly should you be second, or excluded, because someone else's parents combination of genetic material was better suited to the task at hand?
 
Let me say something about Barry Bonds. That MF has been hitting homeruns his whole entire career. How do you think he got to #4 on the all time list? He just didn't come out the woodwork like Mark McGuire or Sosa. Sosa used to be a skinny bitch who couldn't hit for shit. All of a sudden he can hit 50, 60 HR's a year? Get the fuck out of here.

But then baseball started to test for AAS this year cause of the heat that fuck Conseco caused. He goes off. All of a sudden he's no longer Super Sammy he feels like shit cause he doesn't have the strength he used to and he isn't getting all those HR's like he was when he was on. How many guys on here do we know that have went through the same thing? So what does he do? He corks his bat to try to start hitting HR's again. "I was using it for BP" my ass. But then he fucks up and gets caught, the dumb fucker. So what does he do? He picks up the juice again. Now all of a sudden he's hitting homeruns again.

Meanwhile, Bonds has still been hitting them all season. When Bonds was asked about that MF Conseco's comment about AAS usage in the MLB an testing for them, Bonds replied "I'll take a test right now, I have nothing to hide" When Sosa was asked the same question, he refused to take the test to prove he wasn't on anything. There is no doubt there are guys on steroids in every sport. But not everyone one of them is on. For some jealous asshole like Conseco to blanket the whole sport and put that cloud over those guys is fucked up. If they're using he doesn't need to blow up the spot like that. He should be loyal to these guys and not try rip them down, cause ultimately everyone gets hurt.
 
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Steroid use in pro sports is bigger than most people know or are willing to acknowledge. Olympics, tour d France, soccer, hockey, rugby, all of them ...and yes especially baseball. Testing wont stop the use of AAS. It is part of our society and part of BIG time sports around the world. Even some of the older stars did juice, but probably not as many as today's athletes. There is BIG money in sports and many athletes juice. I don't think it has hurt the games themselves. Athletes are bigger, stronger, and faster, and eat better than say 40 years ago. I dont think they "are shitting" on the game. They are doing what it takes to compete at the pro level to get a slice of the pie. Hank AAron, Babe, Mickey Mantel, Dimaggio, will always be a part of baseball no matter what Bonds, Sosa, and Ripkin accomplish with or without Juice. my2cc
 
sh4dowf4lcon said:
Steroid use in pro sports is bigger than most people know or are willing to acknowledge. Olympics, tour d France, soccer, hockey, rugby, all of them ...and yes especially baseball. Testing wont stop the use of AAS. It is part of our society and part of BIG time sports around the world. Even some of the older stars did juice, but probably not as many as today's athletes. There is BIG money in sports and many athletes juice. I don't think it has hurt the games themselves. Athletes are bigger, stronger, and faster, and eat better than say 40 years ago. I dont think they "are shitting" on the game. They are doing what it takes to compete at the pro level to get a slice of the pie. Hank AAron, Babe, Mickey Mantel, Dimaggio, will always be a part of baseball no matter what Bonds, Sosa, and Ripkin accomplish with or without Juice. my2cc
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I totally agree with this... those of you who think sports even "used" to be completely pure are only fooling yourselves. Drug use in sports has been around since ancient times.... Hell runners back in ancient times used to use stimulants to run until they died... Whether it was juice or something else, something was used at practically all times in history... (see the link below for a BRIEF summation)

Don't take this as I am digging on sports history or anything like that, just all kinds of things happened in the past as well as now that you will not know about, and the only person who will know (whether they say so or not) is the athlete themselves


http://www.t-mag.com/nation_articles/180ana.html
 
outlawaf said:
I wanted to see if they were any die hard baseball finds here that feel if the game is being shitted on by players juicing. I do not believe that using anything to better yourself or look is wrong, but when you take it to the professional sports and start breaking records like babe ruth, hank arron, mark mcguire and other greats that did it from the past clean, I do see something wrong with that. I am glad that basketball, football and boxing test for all drugs and I really wish that baseball would too. Barry Bonds and Sammy Sosa are great people I’m sure but you can look at them and tell there is something not natural about there bodies. What do ya'll think about aas and professional sports?
:fro:
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i got news for ya bro - 75% of heavyweight pro boxers have or are currently juicing.
its no secret - tysons been on juice since he was 15.
they dont bother testing (sometimes they do for regulation reasons) boxing is such a corupt buisness, if they started getting strict on chemical enhancement the only guys left in boxing would be george foreman and butterbean.
 
The_Eviscerator said:


I don't think Bonds, Sosa or McQwire juiced... Here is why. McGwire hit 48 homers as a rookie and he was a beanpole. He lifted weights and built his body up... but nothing that anyone couldn't achieve naturally.

Bonds was always a good hitter, but what he has learned to do in the past 6 years is lay off balls out of the strikezone. No amount of steroids will develop the eye for the strikezone that he has. His patience at the plate is unmatched.

Sosa... maybe he did juice... but I doubt it. He was pretty lanky when he started and he hacked at a lot of horrible pitches when he was younger. It just looks like he just filled out to me and gained some patience.

Also, satch is right. Almost every pitcher now a days throws in the low to mid 90's as a rule. Back in the 40's, 50's 60', 70's there were only a few of those guys... this also makes the ball fly further. Also... more teams with more guys throwing fast cheese. Most MLB players will eat up a fastball quicker than shit. Many of these guys in the big leagues would have been in double or triple AAA in the past.

Another thing that never gets mentioned is that players have switched to Maple bats, rather than Ash (Bonds most notably). Maple is a little stronger, stiffer, and harder than Ash. Combine this with proper training and it is easy to see how some of these records are falling.
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I agree, the juice does not give you better hand eye cordination, just power. Remember Lenny Dyksrta? Came back from one off season all Jacked up. From a punch and Judy hitter with the Mets to a small monster with the Phillies
 
I did not even waste my time reading this entire thread - but "outlawaf" you must be the most niave person in the entire world. Holy shit, people never seem to amaze me.

Nautica
 
Re: tdf drugs

Is that all for 1 cycle?:p :p:p :p

so I guess most pro athletes Juice in the off season, then they come off just before the season starts because they know they could get tested then.. They don't keep Juicing during regular season do they? that would seem to risky..



twistedneck said:
Here is a list of stuff found in the 02 third place finisher's ( Raimondas Rumsas) girl friends car right after the race ended. Some nice selections..

3 flasks of Actovegin
1 flask of Norditropin penset 24 (growth hormone)
1 flask of TAD 600
1 flask of solvent for Norditropin
1 injection of Actrapid Novolet (insulin)
1 box of Spascupreel
1 box of albumine humaine 20 %
1 box of Ubichinon Compositum (co-enzyme Q)
2 boxes of Thyreoida Compositum (hormone extracts)
3 boxes of Testis Compositum (hormone extracts)
2 ampoules of Coffeinum (caffeine)
1 ampoule of Celestone (anti-inflammatory)
1 ampoule of Benexol B12 5000 (vitamins)
3 ampoules of Ketonal
3 flasks of Kenacort retard (corticoids)
1 box of Toco 500 (vitamin E)
1 bottle of sodium chloride 0.9
3 capsules of No Spa Forte
15 capsules of Durvitan (caffeine)
10 ampoules and one tablet of Pentohexal 300 (vasodilator)
1 box and three tablets of MAG 2 (magnesium)
12 capsules of Ozothine
15 capsules of Optalidon
2 packets of Eurythrox 50
2 boxes of Immunoferon (immuno-stimulants)
2 boxes of Trofalgon
1 box of Androderm (testosterone)
6 capsules and one ampoule of Alphalipon (improves nervous functions)
2 tablets of Stilnox
4 capsules of Oltramp
30 tablets of Bentelan (corticoids)
30 tablets and 4 ampoules of Voltaren (anti-inflammatory)
3 tablets of Praxilen
1 tablet of Cafiaspirina (caffeine and aspirin)
1 ampoule of sterile water and one flask of Haes-Steril
1 flask of Geref (enhances production of endogenous HG)
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:p :p
 
The 1999 Tour De France Team 'Festina' drug bill was over $100,000 (for 15 to 20 guys), most of that for growth and deca type stuff. But, there was some new steriod called 'P' that was crazy at the time. tren maybe? GOt this from Willy Voet's book 'Breaking the Chain".

l8ta TW
 
I am playing baseball for more than 20 years now. Yes even in Holland its quite a popular sport:D I play in a "friends-team"most people play for more than 10 years and we have been together for quite some years. We are quite fanatic in the field but mostly play for the fun. I use steroids so does another team buddy. Nothing wrong with that is it?
I actually enjoy watching the sport more than years ago. More homeruns, more speed in the field, faster pitching..Great..I dont think its cheating.

Cheating is hitting with cork-bats..not using AS for better performance.

D.W.
 
DW, so you also think that using a "shark suit" and the klapschaats is cheating? I think introducing passive technological equipment enrich the sports.
 
Has this thread not died yet????

Your amazement to professional atheletes using drugs reminds of when my 6 year old girl found out that boys are mean.

Nautica
 
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