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A "solution" for illegal aliens

Razorguns

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How's this?

You leave the country for 2 years. Fingerprit on your way out. Can't re-enter or you void everything.

If you have usc children, they can come visit you or come live with you.

You work in mexico and save up your own cash.

In 2 years, you renter and pay a $5,000 fine. Get a GC

In 5 years, no felonies you get citizenship.

Amnesty lasts 2 years of going to the border and registering. After that - no go.

Future illegals will not want to come cuz we'll increase border patrols and all those caught sneaking in now, are prohibited from the program. It's only for those currently in the country.

??
 
GREAT, but they cross Illegally because there are no jobs in Mexico and they can't save $5K. So, they cross the boarder to earn 10 to 15 K / year, sending about half back to family in Mexico.

Time to re-think the box.
 
The only solution is to let them get what they want. The proteststors want all Americans killed - they want the Europeans kicked back to europe and the blacks sent back to Africa. In 20 years they will get what they want - the whole southern part of the US will be dominated by Mexico and it will succeed from the US.

These guys are highly organized and pretty mean spirited. Americans do not take this stuff seriously enough - and in the end the Americans will pay for it.

http://www.mexica-movement.org/granmarcha.htm

http://www.newswithviews.com/Devvy/kidd180.htm
 
justinjones1963 said:
The only solution is to let them get what they want. The proteststors want all Americans killed - they want the Europeans kicked back to europe and the blacks sent back to Africa. In 20 years they will get what they want - the whole southern part of the US will be dominated by Mexico and it will succeed from the US.

These guys are highly organized and pretty mean spirited. Americans do not take this stuff seriously enough - and in the end the Americans will pay for it.

http://www.mexica-movement.org/granmarcha.htm

http://www.newswithviews.com/Devvy/kidd180.htm

I've heard that theory before, that there is an organized effort to overtake the Southwest Territories by Immigration and then attempt to re-join Mexico. Only problem is, sesseion is NOT an option, and I think Our military just might have a few things to say about that. Hmm, could Mexico be the next few added states? What the hell, we took Texas, why not the rest?
 
There's a good reason why the borders are closed. Everyone would come over here to live and soon we'd be another third world country and way overpopulated. It's a tough call. On one hand, I believe people should be able to live anywhere they want, on the other hand, it's just not realistic, will cause too many problems.
 
Interesting articles. I guess I couldn't stay. I don't have enough Indian blood. I wonder where'd I go. I guess Ireland or Scotland.
 
Everyone that is not Mexican and Indian are the illegal aliens.
 
Razorguns said:
Mexicans : Should've fought harder.

The NA's and Europeans kept owning your ass. boo hoo.

They are fighting smarter now. I think.
 
biteme said:
They are fighting smarter now. I think.

we'll see how smart they are when transform their neighborhoods into the same shitpile they left, and the rest of the 3rd world, and blacks start competing for thier jobs. And whitey has left town.
 
Razorguns said:
we'll see how smart they are when transform their neighborhoods into the same shitpile they left, and the rest of the 3rd world, and blacks start competing for thier jobs. And whitey has left town.

They don't believe in birth contol so they have too many children.
 
i say we make mexico an american state.

think of all that beautiful restate out there.

intigrate the entire country. then they wont leave mexico

my idea would coast less then the iraq war
 
Razorguns said:
we'll see how smart they are when transform their neighborhoods into the same shitpile they left, and the rest of the 3rd world, and blacks start competing for thier jobs. And whitey has left town.

No whitey, no jobs.
 
All immigrants should pay double taxes until they get their citizenship. And illegals should arrested tagged and deported. If their already tagged and try to come back we wouldn't have to process them again just ship them further into mexico.

I was wondering if there is no jobs in mexico then how come there are so many things made down there that we buy. Hell even most volkswagons that we drive in the US are made in mexico.
 
dannomight said:
All immigrants should pay double taxes until they get their citizenship. .


....and why is that? What did the legal immigrants do wrong? They have the same problem and competition with the ilegals as any citizen. USA is not the only country with a lot of immigrants. Australia, Germany, Switzerland are some of those too
 
Very easy. Fear is the best weapon against illegal immigration. They sneak in the US because they know it's gonna be better. How come few illegals will try the same shit in Canada even even with free healthcare and all the commie stuff we have ? Because they know that once they get caught, they'll be go through a living hell until deportation. Canadian immigration prisons are the worse. They have nothing to do inside. No weigths to lift, little time out of the cell, no tv. Nada. They're treated like dogs cause that's what they are...

So make their life miserable. Kicking them out is not enough because it's like saying "Better luck next time". You guys need to own their ass, humiliate them in prison...
 
When you take a very powerful round of ammunition, such as a so-called cop-killer, and line 20 illegals up in a straight line, you can shoot them all with only one round.
 
foreigngirl said:
....and why is that? What did the legal immigrants do wrong? They have the same problem and competition with the ilegals as any citizen. USA is not the only country with a lot of immigrants. Australia, Germany, Switzerland are some of those too
Most still dont pay taxes for 7 years before becoming a citizen. While I steadily pump around 30k every year to uncle sam. They should also make the wait to be a citizen less like 3-5 years.

Most Europeans have the decency to at least learn our language and adapt while there are others who hop the border and expliot our country. Don't most european countries also require you to learn their language to live there?
 
Hiatussin said:
Workin´on it. Not quite there yet. but getting there
it should be required in any country.You should adapt more to them instead of them to you. I know if I went to another country to live I'd be fukd for at least a year.
 
dannomight said:
Most still dont pay taxes for 7 years before becoming a citizen. While I steadily pump around 30k every year to uncle sam. They should also make the wait to be a citizen less like 3-5 years.

Most Europeans have the decency to at least learn our language and adapt while there are others who hop the border and expliot our country. Don't most european countries also require you to learn their language to live there?


I dont know where you got that most legal green card holding immigrants dont pay taxes until they become citizens. We all pay taxes, maybe even more than you guys. The wait for a legal immigrant is 5 years. The wait for a legal immigrant married to a US citizen is 3 years. European countries have english as one of the few languages to be studied starting in 5th grade.



http://www.iwfr.org/facts.asp



Immigrants and the Economy
(From the National Immigration Forum)

Immigrants wear many hats in American society. They are family members, students, workers, business owners, investors, clergymen, and members of the armed services-to name just a few of their roles. According to the most comprehensive study ever done on immigrants, the National Academy of Sciences (NAS) found that in all their combined roles, immigrants make indispensable contributions to our economy. They compose an increasingly essential proportion of our workforce. Through their tax payments, they help finance the costs of schools, health care, roads, welfare payments, Social Security, and the nation’s defense. Of course, immigrants are also users and beneficiaries of these government programs.

Immigrants are a Plus for our Economy – Immigrants and their children bring long-term economic benefits to the United States as a whole. Immigrants add about $10 billion each year to the U.S. economy. This estimate does not include the impact of immigrant-owned businesses or the impact of highly skilled immigrants on overall productivity.

Immigrants Pay Their Way – By conservative estimates, immigrant households paid an estimated $133 billion in direct taxes to federal, state, and local governments in 1997. The typical immigrant and his or her descendants pay an estimated $80,000 more in taxes than they will receive in local, state, and federal benefits over their lifetimes.

Naturalized Immigrants Pay More than Their Share – Immigrants who become U.S. citizens typically pay more in taxes than do native-born Americans. Adult, foreign-born, naturalized citizens actually have higher adjusted gross incomes (averaging $40,502) than families with U.S.-born citizens only ($35,249). Federal taxes paid by families with a naturalized citizen average $6,580 per year compared with $5,070 for U.S.-born-only families.

Immigrant-Founded Businesses Are an Important Revenue Source – Businesses founded by immigrants are a source of substantial economic and fiscal gain for U.S. citizens. Ten high-tech firms founded by immigrants, generated $28 billion in revenues in 1996. These and other businesses started by immigrants add at least another $29 billion to the total amount of taxes paid by immigrants.

As They Assimilate, Immigrants Become Net Economic Contributors – Immigrants’ earnings rise over time as they climb the economic ladder of success in America. In their first years in the United States, immigrants typically are a net cost to the country, but over time— usually after 10 to 15 years in the United States—they turn into net contributors.

An Education and Training Windfall – Most immigrants arrive in the United States in the prime of their working years. More than 70 percent of immigrants are over the age of 18 when they arrive in the United States. That means there are roughly 17.5 million immigrants in the United States today whose education and upbringing were paid for by the citizens of the sending country, not American taxpayers. The windfall to the United States of obtaining this human capital at no expense to American taxpayers is roughly $1.43 trillion. This makes immigrants a fiscal bargain for our country.

Immigrant Workers are Essential to the U.S. Economy – During the recent unprecedented expansion in the American economy, immigrant workers were essential in filling jobs ranging from computer programmers to hotel and restaurant workers. As America's workforce ages, and the "baby boomers" retire, immigrants will again play an essential role in reducing a long-term projected labor shortage. The U.S. Department of Labor projects that between 1998 and 2008, the number of jobs will increase by 20 million, but the number of workers will increase by just 17 million. Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan has repeatedly commented that, when labor markets are tight, immigration is an important source of workers. With the U.S. labor supply projected to shrink relative to the number of jobs, Greenspan says that "there is an effective limit to new hiring, unless immigration is uncapped."

Immigrants Are Net Contributors to Social Security and Medicare – The total net benefit (taxes paid over benefits received) to the Social Security system in today’s dollars from continuing current levels of immigration is nearly $500 billion for the 1998-2022 period and nearly $2.0 trillion through 2072. Our population is aging, and each worker will be supporting a growing population of retirees. Immigrant workers will be an essential component to solving the long-term problem of financing Social Security.

New Rules to Affect Fiscal Calculations – Working-age immigrants who have been in the United States for more than ten years are less likely to receive welfare than the native-born. The exceptions, because of their special needs, are refugees and elderly immigrants. Welfare rules enacted by Congress in 1996 have made newly-arrived immigrants ineligilbe for most welfare benefits. This change will significantly affect cost/benefit calculations in the future, making the net fiscal benefit of immigrants even higher than it is today.

Beyond Fiscal Calculations – Overall, immigrants are a fiscal bargain for American taxpayers. Of course, the value of immigrants is not primarily measured by the dollar calculation of their fiscal impact. Immigrants contribute to America in many ways other than the size of their tax payments and the amount they pump into our economy. Their enrichment of our culture and the overall vitality they bring to American society are immeasurable in fiscal terms. They are a vital benefit to all Americans.
 
just keep cleaning dullboys dirty dishes and it's all good.


ps - 99% of mexicans are good honest hardworking peeps - the people making noise are the same bunch of commie anarchists as always.
 
Immigrants are a Plus for our Economy – Immigrants and their children bring long-term economic benefits to the United States as a whole. Immigrants add about $10 billion each year to the U.S. economy. This estimate does not include the impact of immigrant-owned businesses or the impact of highly skilled immigrants on overall productivity.

These are the ones who are tax exempt and can get federall funds for their business. Thats why some resturants change owners every few years. Usually they "sell or give" the business to a family member or relative and still get away without paying taxes.
 
dannomight said:
These are the ones who are tax exempt and can get federall funds for their business. Thats why some resturants change owners every few years. Usually they "sell or give" the business to a family member or relative and still get away without paying taxes.


When I first came here, I opened a business under my name and I paid my taxes as anyone else would. Two of my friends also.

The only people that would be exempt from something are the non-resident aliens

http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/international/article/0,,id=105250,00.html
 
dannomight said:
I've met a few that actually reside here and expliot this option.


oh, man.....Resident AND non-resident can reside in USA. Resident alien has a green card and is treated the same as citizen (with the exeption of voting). Non-resident doesnt have a green card, but still has a working permit. Non-residents can be students or teachers/researchers
 
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