A Note On The Deadlift

[silver_shadow]

here's a thread i started a while back with some links to articles suggesting to train DLs without deadlifting and explains the reasons why you would do this.
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=446368

 

[Chambewy20]

Those are idiotic examples. There's nothing you're really losing by cutting those few inches off the bottom of the DL. Cutting a squat, bench or row short like that has a much greater consequence than making deadlifts slightly higher from the floor to save the low back.

Obviously your deadlift sux so you do partials to compensate!!!

 

[Chambewy20]

Oh, and Tate is a walking invalid. Just ask Alwyn Cosgrove.

I'll guarantee you that professional bodybuilders are absolute morons, and I wouldn't follow what they do - ever.

Those are idiotic examples.

I'm beginning to see a pattern here...

 

[enigma4dub]

I'm beginning to see a pattern here...

agreed. he deals in absolutes way too much. unwilling to hear anything other than what he wants to hear. true signs of youth or ignorance or, both.

 

[Tweakle]

flex = flex on the bar, pulling from the floor you get some flex as the bar bends before the plates come up - on the rack you don't get that. I like rack pulls from just below my knee and can move some ridiculous weight for reps like that but for low pulls I'd rather do real deadlifts.

 

[Madcow2]

One thing that I think a lot of people have found over the years and I know I have, the carryover from partial deads to full deads is not all that great unless one tends to miss at lockout and even then it's not a certainty. I've seen guys really work hard on partial range deads but when transitioning back to the floor, even after a period of acclimation, you just don't see it in their pull. I'd even venture this is pretty standard. It's just a different pull. Not that it isn't a good exercise and very useful for certain thingsbut I don't think it's a complete exercise in itself meaning that the carryover in the opposite direction works quite well (sort of like partial squats not driving up the full squat but full squats driving partials). My take and data point anyway.

 

[Quadsweeps Sister]

Or combine said speed deadlifts and rack pulls (although I thought rack pulls were from above the knee - fairly high). No reason to do them off a raised platform or on blocks at a heavier weight than normal. That's not the point, but rather, sparing the lower back from that fairly useless bottom portion of movement and using less weight that a conventional, from-the-floor DL, and exploding it up.

Good lord son, what do you mean by sparing the lower back from the useless portion of this exercise? If you would choose to do a higher version of the deadlift exercise, that is cool, but doesn't make the DL from the floor 'useless'. For example, if one were to look at this article as an example of the numerous variations on the exercise - they are overwhelming. ME Deadlift Exercises

There is never only one variation that is correct, better or right for a person. Every person is different and may choose one form based upon their build and goals. Sometimes a person does need more training in one specific part of the lift to actually be able to accomplish it, much like in the bench press. For example a bencher may have some trouble with their lockout, so they used a 3,4 or 5 board press dependent upon their weakness. Same with a deadlift. If one has trouble pulling from the floor or trouble locking out at the top - these two different weaknesses require additional, yet particular training.

I'm no guru, but it makes sense to me that anyone would need variation with respect to any training regime. If one wants to do some partial deadlifts or off pins, mats, etc. to raise the height, that's cool - but don't forget that at some point you'll have to pick something up off the floor. (Oops, I dropped my pencil!)

 

[Chambewy20]

He knows what he knows and beleives in absolutes... either youth or ignorance, regardless he still is Dick!!!

Keep in mind this is the same Cat that wanted to replace regular flat bench with weigthed dips but turns around and posts a 5 X 5 variation with hardly any dip movemnents, mainly bench movements...

... him talkum lotta shittum on the interntum ;-)

 

[Chambewy20]

Hahahahahahhahaha I pwn u cocksuckerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr hahahabahahabahabahbaha

I think someone needs a hug.... oh and to get a clue, you cost me a whole -1 karma, you definately own me!!!

..or maybe spell check who knows?

 

[Quadsweeps Sister]

I think someone needs a hug.... oh and to get a clue, you cost me a whole -1 karma, you definately own me!!!

..or maybe spell check who knows?

Why did he say he pwn's you? I saw nothing of the sort?

What the heck?