A Hypothetical Short Cycle / Cruise Protocol

[OneBreath]

I'm not recommending this, just tossing it out there for discussion. I came up with this after reading an old nelson post here and the infamous "cycles for pennies" post by the creator of DC training.

My goals:

1. Slow constant progression of LBM over time
2. Minimal to no fat gain
3. Minimal to no HTPA shutdown
4. Minimal to no liver/lipid issues

The cycle would last 6 months (24 weeks). It would consist of a 4 week blast followed by a 2 week cruise and then repeat.

The only compounds used would be dbol and primo.

Week 1-24: Primo @ 200mg per week (this is the base)
Week 1-24: HCG @ 250iu per week (maybe 500?)

Week 1-4: Dbol @ 30mg ED
Week 5-6: "cruise" on the primo

repeat for 4 blasts/cruises (24 total weeks)

Week 24 - 30: PCT

Please tell me if i'm off my rocker or if this is worthy of more research.

Thanks.

 

[access]

I can see your reasoning behind this OneBreath and can't see why as laid out wouldn't work but I don't think would work as well as a couple of 12 week cycles of Test etc. Only way to know for sure is to try I guess if your inclined. As far as a health standpoint you should be fine to run Primo out for this length with minimal sides and the HCG in there is a necessity even given the low to neglible aromatization.

 

[OneBreath]

To be honest a lot of it is sort of wishful thinking. I want to be able to not shut down my htpa and still make steady gains. Most of what i read about suppression is all over the place. Some say there is no such thing as "slightly suppressed", that there is only suppressed, nada, nothing. Others claim primo or short low dose cycles of dbol will only slightly suppress htpa and thus it recovers fully in no time.

At 33 i'm a long way from wanting to do anything like HRT so i'm just trying to figure out how to beat the system by not shutting myself completely down to being with.

 

[79steeler]

I would do a more traditional cycle, and if you want to cruise after that do like 200mg test e /wk, and 200mg primobolan/wk for your cruise like eight weeks then blast again. You will probably be on hrt for life if you do something like this for a long period of time.

 

[Roc86]

Intersting protocol here ... with regards to your goals maybe consider running tbol or Anavar for your blast periods.

 

[Barch]

I'm not recommending this, just tossing it out there for discussion. I came up with this after reading an old nelson post here and the infamous "cycles for pennies" post by the creator of DC training.

My goals:

1. Slow constant progression of LBM over time
2. Minimal to no fat gain
3. Minimal to no HTPA shutdown
4. Minimal to no liver/lipid issues

The cycle would last 6 months (24 weeks). It would consist of a 4 week blast followed by a 2 week cruise and then repeat.

The only compounds used would be dbol and primo.

Week 1-24: Primo @ 200mg per week (this is the base)
Week 1-24: HCG @ 250iu per week (maybe 500?)

Week 1-4: Dbol @ 30mg ED
Week 5-6: "cruise" on the primo

repeat for 4 blasts/cruises (24 total weeks)

Week 24 - 30: PCT

Please tell me if i'm off my rocker or if this is worthy of more research.

Thanks.

I think if avoiding HPTA shutdown is one of your priorities, then this cycle wouldn't work. 24 weeks, even at moderate doses would cause serious shutdown and for an extended period of time, most likely. It seems like the point of the short cycle is lost with your program, as there is no "off" period. I could be wrong, but JMO.

 

[OneBreath]

I think if avoiding HPTA shutdown is one of your priorities, then this cycle wouldn't work. 24 weeks, even at moderate doses would cause serious shutdown and for an extended period of time, most likely. It seems like the point of the short cycle is lost with your program, as there is no "off" period. I could be wrong, but JMO.

Yeah, this is the kind of thing i'm looking for. I've heard nelson and others talk about primo being "not as suppressive". So you are saying that regardless of the compound being "less supressive", the length of time i would run it would eventually cause HTPA shutdown.

Anyone else have an opinion here?

 

[OneBreath]

Intersting protocol here ... with regards to your goals maybe consider running tbol or Anavar for your blast periods.

Good point. I've never tried tbol but loved var. Both i think are in the hypothetical category of "less suppressive".

 

[Barch]

Yeah, most short cycle proponents talk about cycles between 2 weeks (bare minimum, maybe too short) and 8 weeks (MAX), but most advocate a maximum of 6-8 weeks. Personally, I'm thinking about 4-6 for my next cycle. Even with less suppressive compounds, 24 weeks is way over the threshold for HTPA shutdown. I'm sure a 24 week cycle will give you great gains, but at what cost? If you're willing to deal with the shutdown, that's one thing, but again, if your HPTA is a priority, you may want to think again.

 

[OneBreath]

Ok, so far i'm getting that 24 weeks of a "less suppressive" compound is going to end up shutting me down just as hard as a standard 12 week test cycle.

So barch, if you do say a 6 week cycle, what compounds/doses are you talking about? PCT? Rest period in between cycles?

Thanks bro.

 

[access]

At the doses your looking at and the compounds involved I think you could recover without issue on this cycle the way you have laid out and especially so with the HCG throughout. Shutdown would be minimal but there would have to be some amount involved even with Primo over that time frame.

Still I have to think that a more "standard" type cycle or cycles of 12-16 weeks would probably elicit better overall gains and achieve what your wanting anyway. Seriouly you just can't underestimate how good HCG is running throughout cycle in terms of aiding recovery and combining that with a proven PCT.