A-dex or Nolva for existing gyno??

[P.I]

Hey... Got me two lumps under my nip's... Wondering how to get rid of them?
Dosage?
Got it after a 4week winny-only( amazing isn't it).....
I know I'm to late but will this reduce it or get rid of it?

Thanks (karma waiting

 

[meatneck]

you sure you had after your winny? That sounds pretty strange because winny doesn't aromatize that strongly. Arimidex is taken so you don't get gyno, and Nolva is taken after your cycle or after you get gyno.

You could have had some left over gyno from the puberty dayz. If it's hard as a rock, you might have to have surgery to take it out. Is there a noticeable look? If its real soft, it could just be glands..

mn

 

[Lowest]

I'd use nolva. I've gotten small lumps before, nolva got rid of them within 2-3 weeks every time. I used 40mg/day the first week, 20mg/day thereafter.

 

[P.I]

Yes I'm 100% sure it's the winny... Didnt have any problems with this before the winnycycle.. Guess I'm just VERY unlucky... Think I'll give Nolva a try and see how that goes...And yes, it's quite hard not puffy.... If I barely touch my nips they go hard in 2seconds..Doesnt look that bad but it's irritating me.. Looks like I've been swimming in cols water all the time... It bother's me when I'm at work and the nips are almost piercing my t-shirt...

you sure you had after your winny? That sounds pretty strange because winny doesn't aromatize that strongly. Arimidex is taken so you don't get gyno, and Nolva is taken after your cycle or after you get gyno.

You could have had some left over gyno from the puberty dayz. If it's hard as a rock, you might have to have surgery to take it out. Is there a noticeable look? If its real soft, it could just be glands..

mn

 

[GetJacked123]

I have the same issue right now...not to sure what may be causing it,About every other day I'll get a semi hard mass on the bottom of my pec,and sore behind nips,possible gyno?? A friend of mine had the same prob. doc told him these were fatty deposits and they went away with cardio.My previous cycles were 300/mg week deca. And my first cycle was 250/mg weekly of Test Enanthate. On neighter cycle have I used any clomid post or nolva. Just wondering if ordering some Nolva would clear this problem up for me.

 

[bw1]

Nolva, I don't believe A-dex would help pre-existing gyno. My .02

 

[GetJacked123]

If I do end up going with the Nolva I can get NOLVADEX, TAMOXATE (GENERIC) 10MG...What should a cycle of Nolva consist of...i'm about 5'7 160 lbs. I hear 20mg a day is good,but for how long? And are there any unwanted side effects? And will Nolva Help me with gettin lean muscle at all? Thanks!!

 

[idcbp]

To the best of my knowledge nothing is going to get rid of gyno once its has developed. Puffiness which is more a symptom of the estro levels will be eliminated as levels come back under control. Some estro related soft lumps will also disappear, but hard lumps probably won't. If you take either and the "gyno goes away" the you didn't have an actual case of it, you were in the process of developing it. Once you have gyno. it isn't going anywhere without a surgeon, though I had heard of teslac being able to reduce existing cases, but I have never seen the drug or anyone who actually used it for this purpose. Its really expensive too, though so is surgery. In the meantime, you're going to be best served by going all out in preventing any further growth by staying on top of estro levels b/c if the get out of hand at all those lumps will grow. I prefer preventing to competing anti-estros, so arimdex and femara once the gyno is established. Peace.

 

[meatneck]

To the best of my knowledge nothing is going to get rid of gyno once its has developed. Puffiness which is more a symptom of the estro levels will be eliminated as levels come back under control. Some estro related soft lumps will also disappear, but hard lumps probably won't. If you take either and the "gyno goes away" the you didn't have an actual case of it, you were in the process of developing it. Once you have gyno. it isn't going anywhere without a surgeon, though I had heard of teslac being able to reduce existing cases, but I have never seen the drug or anyone who actually used it for this purpose. Its really expensive too, though so is surgery. In the meantime, you're going to be best served by going all out in preventing any further growth by staying on top of estro levels b/c if the get out of hand at all those lumps will grow. I prefer preventing to competing anti-estros, so arimdex and femara once the gyno is established. Peace.

Well, if you catch gyno in the early stages as these guys are seeing, nolvadex will make it go away. I'd run 40mg for 2 weeks, and 20mg ed for another 2-4 weeks. I had the "puffy" nip problem during my cycle and after. I ran the above stated for 2 weeks, then another 1 week (3 week pct) and I still had some puffiness, not as bad, but it was still there. So, after 2 weeks, I started taking nolvadex again for about 3 weeks and it's almost completely gone. The only side effects I get from nolva is cold-like symptoms - but they are very minor.

 

[goldenthree]

Definately do a nolvadex cycle. Try 20 mgs and if that doesn't work then bump it up to 40 mgs. Gynecomastia is not necessarily permanant.


Beneficial effects of raloxifene and tamoxifen in the treatment of pubertal gynecomastia.

Lawrence SE, Faught KA, Vethamuthu J, Lawson ML.

Department of Pediatrics, University of Ottawa, Ontario, Canada. [email protected]

OBJECTIVES: To assess the efficacy of the anti-estrogens tamoxifen and raloxifen in the medical management of persistent pubertal gynecomastia. STUDY DESIGN: Retrospective chart review of 38 consecutive patients with persistent pubertal gynecomastia who presented to a pediatric endocrinology clinic. Patients received reassurance alone or a 3- to 9-month course of an estrogen receptor modifier (tamoxifen or raloxifene). RESULTS: Mean (SD) age of treated subjects was 14.6 (1.5) years with gynecomastia duration of 28.3 (16.4) months. Mean reduction in breast nodule diameter was 2.1 cm (95% CI 1.7, 2.7, P <.0001) after treatment with tamoxifen and 2.5 cm (95% CI 1.7, 3.3, P <.0001) with raloxifene. Some improvement was seen in 86% of patients receiving tamoxifen and in 91% receiving raloxifene, but a greater proportion had a significant decrease (>50%) with raloxifene (86%) than tamoxifen (41%). No side effects were seen in any patients. CONCLUSION: Inhibition of estrogen receptor action in the breast appears to be safe and effective in reducing persistent pubertal gynecomastia, with a better response to raloxifene than to tamoxifen. Further study is required to determine that this is truly a treatment effect.

PMID: 15238910 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

AIMS: We aimed to confirm suggestions that tamoxifen therapy alone may resolve physiological gynaecomastia. METHODS: A prospective audit of the outcome of tamoxifen routinely given to men with physiological gynaecomastia was carried out at Nottingham. Men referred with gynaecomastia had clinical signs recorded, e.g., type (diffuse 'fatty' or retro-areolar 'lump'), size and possible aetiology. They were offered oral tamoxifen 20mg once daily for 6-12 weeks. On follow-up patients were assessed for complete resolution (CR), partial resolution where patient is satisfied with outcome (PR) or no resolution (NR). Success was either CR or PR. RESULTS: Thirty-six men accepted tamoxifen for physiological gynaecomastia. Median age was 31 (range 18-64). Tenderness was present in 25 (71%) cases. Sixteen men (45%) had 'fatty' gynaecomastia and 20 had 'lump' gynaecomastia. Tamoxifen resolved the mass in 30 patients (83.3%; CR=22, PR=8) and tenderness in 21 cases (84%; CR=0, PR=0). Lump gynaecomastia was more responsive to tamoxifen than the fatty type (100% vs. 62.5%; P=0.0041). CONCLUSIONS: Oral tamoxifen is an effective treatment for physiological gynaecomastia, especially for the lump type.


We evaluated the efficacy of the tamoxifen treatment in 37 patients with pubertal gynecomastia. All had distinct, easily palpable breast swellings with a diameter of over three cm. Pain, tenderness, and swelling associated with gynecomastia were reported by six patients. Eight of the patients were obese. One patient also suffered from varicocele. Pain and size reduction was seen in all patients with tamoxifen treatment. No long-term side effects of tamoxifen were observed. The dose of tamoxifen was increased in three patients due to poor response. Two of the treatment group had recurrence problem at follow-up. We did not need to refer any patient to surgery. Tamoxifen treatment is relatively non-toxic, may be beneficial and we think it should be considered for pubertal gynecomastia.