A couple I know, found out that their unborn child may have Downs Syndrome.

[Spooky238]

Additional testing is of value only if the results of those tests will result in a decision. If the couple has decided that abortion is not for them, then don't bother with the tests. The testing will only give a "probable" outcome a bit sooner than waiting and giving birth to find out for sure.

My buddy's daughter has Downs. For those that might not know, there is a wide span that this affliction covers. There are a great many DS people that grow up to be productive members of society. They may even live by themselves in a kind of a halfway house of sorts. There are also those that require assistance throughout their entire life, which is normally quite a bit shorter than a non-DS individual.

If you figuratively take a step back, and look at a DS child/person, you very may well be looking through a small window at the way God really intended humans to be. There is not a hint of malice, or envy. They give love unconditionally, and are trusting to a fault. Maybe, just maybe, that's how it was supposed to be.

That said, it is something that impacts your life more than anything you can think of. I can remember lieing in bed with my wife, and she was pregnant at the time this happened, and we were almost afraid to talk about it. My buddy will probably never get to walk his daughter down the isle to get married. There will be no grandchildren. His daughter will most likely not go through the same school system as their friends and neighbor's kids, and he will be dealing with the cruelness that other children (and some adults) direct at him and his daughter. The task he is dealing with offers no retirement.

My heart goes out to that couple, and the best thing that I could wish for them is that they are not burdened with a lifetime of "what ifs" following whatever decision they make.

 

[velvett]

HUH?

You said that this couple is considering abortion and I was noting that it is oddly curious to me that the men of elite that speak of abortion as murder ands that woman do not have right to their bodies do not have anything to comment as to the future of this couple's life.

 

[velvett]

"Logic psycho-babble"? So logic is psycho-babble? And that would make emotional rants, what? Rational?

Another emotion laced thread, attempted to push the idea that when a person "feels" bad or has a burden placed on them, all responsibility and consequences should be tossed out the window.

You still cannot give a "logic psycho-babble" reason for killing one child over another, no matter if it is normal or Down's syndrome, save the often heard "Well, you would change your tune, if it were you!!!"

Quality of life is perspective and no man has the right to force his perspective of life worth on another. One has a right to his life, no matter the standard and do what is in his best interest. Freedom implies opportunity, death provides no opportunity. What if a "gay" gene was truly found. How long would it take for some to begin terminating "queer" babies? And how long would it take for the now pro-abortion/pro-homosexual lobbies to intervene to prevent abortions of this form? Do you think they would allow for their future "group" members to be eliminated?

Leaders of other countries have used the ideas of "worthy" lives and the results are demonstrable. This power brings with it death and oppression.

Now that was a response full of emotion and an absolute pleasure to read.


For the record - I can't have children so no I would have no tune to change.

 

[atlantabiolab]

You said that this couple is considering abortion and I was noting that it is oddly curious to me that the men of elite that speak of abortion as murder ands that woman do not have right to their bodies do not have anything to comment as to the future of this couple's life.

Who ever said a woman has no right to control her body? Control it. You don't want to deal with pregnancy and its consequences, control yourself. This "right to my body" argument has always been about control ONLY after lack of control and neglecting responsibility. Sex has been devalued to the level of other automatic functions, similar to breathing, and pregnancy as somehow unexpected....."how the hell did I get pregnant, all I did was fuck?"

As for the "its my body" argument, what part of the woman's body IS aborted anyway?

So, the burden placed on the people should be the only factor governing their course of actions? If one were on the verge of poverty, would theft be accepted, since it would provide them with a source of money and prevent them from feeling hardship? Tightening their budgets and getting second jobs would be way too uncomfortable to do. And constantly working and pinching pennies is no way to live, right? Dammit, its their life, not yours!!

 

[Stangfriik]

Even though I'm nowhere near as intelligent as the gent above, I have a pretty simplistic explain of abortion.

Because they can.

My ex and I did it b/c we wanted to. I don't care if you have a problem with it. I don't care if you think it's not "part" of the woman's body. Until the day comes when a condom is so thin it feels like it's nonexistent yet durable or abortion is banned, people will continue to do it and deal with the consequences later.
If an abortion is agreed upon, then they have the RIGHT to do so.

 

[DeepZenPill]

That must be a hard thing to deal with, especially since these parents obviously want to have children. I wish the best of luck to the parents that the child doesn't actually have Down's, but if it does I hope they do the right thing.

And regarding my earlier comment, it was meant to draw some ire. But I am not trying to make light of the couple's plight. I don't actually think the kid should be killed, but many on here do. And people are angry at me? I just flat out said the intention of many without the fluffy "rationalized" bullshit.

 

[atlantabiolab]

Even though I'm nowhere near as intelligent as the gent above, I have a pretty simplistic explain of abortion.

Because they can.

My ex and I did it b/c we wanted to. I don't care if you have a problem with it. I don't care if you think it's not "part" of the woman's body. Until the day comes when a condom is so thin it feels like it's nonexistent yet durable or abortion is banned, people will continue to do it and deal with the consequences later.
If an abortion is agreed upon, then they have the RIGHT to do so.

I assume your incorrect belief is related to your lack of intelligence, which you are aware of.

 

[Stangfriik]

I assume your incorrect belief is related to your lack of intelligence, which you are aware of.

Why does it have to be incorrect? maybe in your eyes but who are you to tell me what's right and wrong?

 

[velvett]

Who ever said a woman has no right to control her body? Control it. You don't want to deal with pregnancy and its consequences, control yourself. This "right to my body" argument has always been about control ONLY after lack of control and neglecting responsibility. Sex has been devalued to the level of other automatic functions, similar to breathing, and pregnancy as somehow unexpected....."how the hell did I get pregnant, all I did was fuck?"

As for the "its my body" argument, what part of the woman's body IS aborted anyway?

From your tone one could say you really hate women.

Please share with me the male argument for all the men that have supported those women that have had abortions. If you can't you could be viewed a hyprocite.

The woman's body is the only reason that the fetus grows into anything other than a fertilized egg. The fetus would never survive without the mother - the mother holds an enormous amount of power in regard to the future well being of that fetus.

So, the burden placed on the people should be the only factor governing their course of actions? If one were on the verge of poverty, would theft be accepted, since it would provide them with a source of money and prevent them from feeling hardship? Tightening their budgets and getting second jobs would be way too uncomfortable to do. And constantly working and pinching pennies is no way to live, right? Dammit, its their life, not yours!!

Where did we get to budgets?
Penny pinching?

I had asked you at one time what is about abortion that you find offensive. Is it religious practice, is it that you truly believe it's murder, do you truly believe that a non-viable fetus is a considered alive. What is it - do you even know? Can you answer that is one sentence?

If you say that women should control their bodies sexually (which I agree with) and why then shouldn't they have the right to control their bodies afterwards as well?

Why shouldn't someone have the right to abort a child that they are not prepared to raise? Should the couple mentioned in this thread be slighted for the potential choice of abortion of their fetus due to Down's Syndrome.

Why should someone else's fetus be your business?

Who are you to tell should one what they should do with the fetus in their body?

Do you go up to mothers and fathers in public places and tell them how they should be raising their child?

If you do not approve of abortion that is perfectly acceptable. It's a procedure that you and your loved one would never consider. It's no one else's busniess what you do and what your morals ethics are as your ethic should not be placed down up onto others.

 

[Dial_tone]

The underlying tone of nearly all atlantabiolab's posts is that everybody who disagrees with him is intellectually inferior and "too stupid to understand why they're wrong".