9th Circuit rules individuals have no right to bear arms

[collegiateLifter]

Good point. As a little aside, I find the discussion of armor piercing bullets to be rather silly. Aside from the fact that we are guaranteed arms specifically for warfare, what kind of armor are we talking about? Any number of the most commonly used center-fire cartriges used today will zip right through the bullet-proof vests commonly worn by police officers, and come out the other side. This is nothing new.

I am having trouble beleiving your later arguement though that sniper rifles today have essentially the same combat applications as those in 1890...

also, anti-tank rounds, large, mechanically operated autmatic guns, like that in The Jackal.... exploding shells.....

also i was reading about a prototype gun beeing developed for the military that somehow greatly increases accuracy, i dont remember what the deal was exactly, i'll see tommorow if I can do a search tommmorow and find it.

anyway, so all of these legal and available for the common citizen?

 

[Code]

No offense to austin, but you just got chowned.


chmod 777 austintx

 

[Tuco]

We all know laws work, no one smokes pot, no one rapes, no one murders, no one speeds in their cars, no one drinks and drives, so surely no criminal would ever not go and get a background check and apply for a concealed weapons permit!

 

[Frackal]

Don't tread on the constitution.


Pretty simple, sheeple.


I trust the founding fathers alot more than the neighborhood gun control hippies.

One group spent 2 decades smoked out.

The other created the blueprint for the greatest nation in history.


Colored post yes, but it illustrates the point.

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

Steps for imposing martial law:

1. Disarm the population

2. Impose martial law.

A judge with a brain? who would have thought?

 

[atlantabiolab]

Notice the conceptual correlation between gun control and drug control. Both are simply restrictions on fears, not on reality. They are laws based on "what if's", not "what is". This thread has shown the fear of certain weapon types, which is unfounded, since the statistics show that the banned weapons have not historically been a significant issue, they are simply "buttons" that can be used to cause emotion and reaction in the population. Timothy McVeigh caused major damage and death with common agricultural compounds, yet gun control advocates ask, "well does the Constitution allow a person to own a bazooka?" Any college microbiologist can cultivate a pretty deadly virus or bacteria and spread it through society, yet the left worries about Tek-9's, which was an insignificant gun used in crimes.

The drug war is similar in its use of fear tactics as shown in the "Reefer Madness" mentality that is perpetuated: "do you want a cracked-out druggie killing you or your family member to get drug money?"

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

Notice the conceptual correlation between gun control and drug control. Both are simply restrictions on fears, not on reality. They are laws based on "what if's", not "what is". This thread has shown the fear of certain weapon types, which is unfounded, since the statistics show that the banned weapons have not historically been a significant issue, they are simply "buttons" that can be used to cause emotion and reaction in the population. Timothy McVeigh caused major damage and death with common agricultural compounds, yet gun control advocates ask, "well does the Constitution allow a person to own a bazooka?" Any college microbiologist can cultivate a pretty deadly virus or bacteria and spread it through society, yet the left worries about Tek-9's, which was an insignificant gun used in crimes.

The drug war is similar in its use of fear tactics as shown in the "Reefer Madness" mentality that is perpetuated: "do you want a cracked-out druggie killing you or your family member to get drug money?"

The gun control lobby is predicated completely on fear. The drug lobby is predicated on some knowledge that drug use is generally detrimantal to the productivity of society.

The drug war is horrible in its prosecution, not in concept. The gun control lobby is just plain irrational.

 

[atlantabiolab]

The gun control lobby is predicated completely on fear. The drug lobby is predicated on some knowledge that drug use is generally detrimantal to the productivity of society.

The drug war is horrible in its prosecution, not in concept. The gun control lobby is just plain irrational.

I disagree with your second assertion, that the drug war is conceptually correct. I don't believe that drug use, statistically, is detrimental to society, only on a small individual level. The vast majority of drug users, meaning those who have or currently use illegal drugs in any frequency, are not destructive to their lives or others. The addictive potential of drugs has been exaggerated to the 'n'th degree.

Look up Jacob Sullen who writes for Reason magazine and writes some excellent articles and books on this subject.

 

[DcupSheepNipples]

In Sheeple Terms!

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

I disagree with your second assertion, that the drug war is conceptually correct. I don't believe that drug use, statistically, is detrimental to society, only on a small individual level. The vast majority of drug users, meaning those who have or currently use illegal drugs in any frequency, are not destructive to their lives or others. The addictive potential of drugs has been exaggerated to the 'n'th degree.

Look up Jacob Sullen who writes for Reason magazine and writes some excellent articles and books on this subject.

There is nothing correct about teh :drug war", a better term would be the "drug problem" because ti does nto require a "war" to be waged at all. The drug war and now the war on terrorism have created a system of law enforcement that actually increases the reduction of productivity even further than the original offense. (civil asset forfeiture etc.) But anyway, back on topic

The impact of drugs on societal productivity is significant. It is hard to quantfiy because of the ridculous spector associated with drugs. One need not be an addict to reduce productivity. Additionally, the decrese in productivity is largely borne by other members of society, to their detriment.

The question is, how to resolve this imbalance? Aggressive jailing is clearly not working...in fact it worsens the problem, because as anyone who has been to jail can attest, jail is where drug dealers meet each other.

it;s a complex problem, and it needs to be addressed. I support legalization - I think it will resove a lot of these issues.