911 Conspiracy?

[spongebob]

One more for the road!

I know what you're saying. But it doesn't jive considering the massive piles of steel extending to the subbasement would have essientially created the worlds biggest heat sink - the intertwined steel packed together would draw away the basement heat via conduction preventing the occurance of hot spots.

it could jive, let me explain.

this can go either way. it sounds like you already know this, heat is transfered, from higher temperature sources to a lower temperature source. there really is no such thing as cold except absolute zero(absence of all heat, or molecular activity)

now the question is, which had the lower temperature for the heat to transfer to, the intertwined steel on the top or the subterranean beneath the structure which the subteranean columns and footing were located(hundreds of feet below).

so, did all the heat from the fire transfer downward or upward? i say downward, the temperature would have definitely been less, especially in sept.

that is just my opinion, i havent found anything supporting that.

 

[Testosterone boy]

excellent point and good finds, i figured there would be some statements from the build team that would be somewhat contradictory.

i think in the end they will find that the apperent insufficient insulation will be a strong factor. for some reason it was only about 50% of what code requires. the NY port authority had waivers on it i believe. the south tower which had the least amount of fire retarded collapsed first although it was hit last. there is an engineer(and many others backing him) that claims the fire retarded was a major factor. whether it was knocked off or insufficent.

im signing off for now as well, im going get back to my remodel. but i will continue on TWC collapse exclusively.

peace.

When you get back perhaps you can explain why the evidence was shipped to China?

 

[spongebob]

Spongebob, to hell with the towers themselves for now, lets look at events surrounding 9-11:



Can't you admit that all of this is extremely suspicious? The air force standdown ALONE is proof enough that the government knew and aided the attacks. The insider trading, and by a CIA director no less, is just icing on the cake.

ok, but one point i want to make very clear. the the guy with the PhD you posted earlier, CLEARLY stated a very misleading lie. he said "both towers fell straight down as a perfect demo would". outright false, if you look at the link i post above you will see that the south tower clearly began to topple over before falling straight down. after its intial topple it did fall straight down, thats due to the enormous size and gravity.

and yet the seismic data for both towers(tower one falling straight down, tower two toplling first and then straight down) show almost identical patterns, and this people want to say the data shows a controlled straight down demo for both towers.

flat wrong and you are believing every word he says. like i said you yourself have to checkout everything he says. i dont believe you are and so it is useless to continue this discussion with you just cut and pasting and me doing some research.

as far as the stand-down, again, all you are doing is taking his word. please review the timeline with what orders were given and when. my only response to that is i know i have read that a military jet was engaged with the fourth plane before it went down in the farmland. i know im right because that was part of the conspiracy, whether or not the jet shot it down or went down on its own. so that most likely is a lie about a complete stand-down until the whole event was over.

as far as the other points the guy makes i will only refer you to buddy28 and my debate we had over a year ago. in there i give my opinion on alot of what you have posted. and after that, if you want to discuss it further i will be happy to but i get tired of just getting pages of material thrown at me before you even check it out. i would have to check out all of his references, because it is obvious he is taking things out of context.

and yes i do believe there are alot of suspiscous events prior, during and after 9-11. as right now i can argue either way, i just chose to argue against a conspiracy because i believe it was a systematic failure due to greed, corruption and lack of intelligence community red tape. not a conspiracy, but thats how these things when put all together can appear, as a conspiracy.

as a side note, before i posted on this thread i have been reading alot of material in detail in reference to UBL, al-queda, the carlyle group, the bin laden construction company, the intel community, and goerge tennats speech at the university of georgetown. i was in the progress of piecing together something implicating dubya as a contibuting factor to 9-11.

so im not close-minded. later.

 

[Testosterone boy]

Thats cool sb, I am breathing easier now with a glimmer of hope that perhaps there is a small chance that 9/11 was not primarily internal.

Now what is realy important is thissie here. Vote ABB.........Anyone But Bush.

Thank you.


That would be so cool if the boys in blue shot down those fuckers over Pennsylvania. Yay.

 

[spongebob]

forgr, here is a link to previous discussions with buddy28. it is long and sometimes difficult to understand unless you were debating it with us at the time, there were several threads that led up to this one. i give my opinion on alot of the material. and as you can see i was outnumbered there too. lol.
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=138319

 

[spongebob]

Thats cool sb, I am breathing easier now with a glimmer of hope that perhaps there is a small chance that 9/11 was not primarily internal.

Now what is realy important is thissie here. Vote ABB.........Anyone But Bush.

Thank you.


That would be so cool if the boys in blue shot down those fuckers over Pennsylvania. Yay.

there is an ol' saying that the military runs this country. if it was internally assisted that is where i would put my money, the military and intel community. anytime they feel they arent getting there fair share of the budget dollar or are being downsized they make things happen to thier advantage.
1. the military and intel community were downsized prior to 9-11. thier significance was reduced.
2. either they did a piss poor job tracking and monitoring al-queda due to thier downsizing and lack of real world intel on the ground or they did a piss poor job purposely.
3. after 9-11, the intel community has been beefed up, we homeland security, and our military is in the limelight(generals love war).

i would nover vote for kerry, he is a lying sack of shit. and although i believe bush has his flaws i want someone that will continue fucking people up that deserve it.

and yes i believe the taliban, al-queda and irag deserved it. no matter what the reason, for me the end justified the means.

 

[spongebob]

Walter E. Davis, PhD

A New Statesman report stated that "Bin Laden and his gang are just the tentacles; the head lies safely in Saudi Arabia, protected by U.S. forces." The hijackers responsible for 9/11 were not illiterate, bearded fanatics from Afghanistan. They were all educated, highly skilled, middle-class professionals. Of the 19 men involved, 13 were citizens of Saudi Arabia.

if i were bin laden(who has a high education from a saudi university) i dont think i would send illiterate, beared fanatics to the US to recieve highly skilled pilot training to perpetrate 9-11. what point is this guy trying to make?

 

[Testosterone boy]

there is an ol' saying that the military runs this country. if it was internally assisted that is where i would put my money, the military and intel community. anytime they feel they arent getting there fair share of the budget dollar or are being downsized they make things happen to thier advantage.
1. the military and intel community were downsized prior to 9-11. thier significance was reduced.
2. either they did a piss poor job tracking and monitoring al-queda due to thier downsizing and lack of real world intel on the ground or they did a piss poor job purposely.
3. after 9-11, the intel community has been beefed up, we homeland security, and our military is in the limelight(generals love war).

i would nover vote for kerry, he is a lying sack of shit. and although i believe bush has his flaws i want someone that will continue fucking people up that deserve it.

and yes i believe the taliban, al-queda and irag deserved it. no matter what the reason, for me the end justified the means.

Hmmmmm....well you would know about both the military and intel. cough...cough

 

[Wazzup?]

i ask you for one experts opinion on the collapse of TWC and you give me umpteen pages of a conspiracy plot. and in the whole thing there is this one reference.

Sorry for dissapointing you, but maybe I wasn't posting it in reply to "your" question...maybe I just might have been posting it because it's another guy's view on the issue...maybe I saw a few good cases he presented in the document and I thought that they should be posted here, since this is the "911 Conspiracy Thread"

Anyway's, I know some of them aren't real convincing and he might have been "reaching" a bit, but he does have some pretty good argument's in there... and this is not the only site that I've seen with these same "evidence/cases" presented, but I just chose this writing because he has a list of many different pieces of "evidence" all by number... and you don't have to be biased to find pieces of evidence... but when they all come together, I can see how somebody might start becoming "biased"...

 

[Wazzup?]

Spongebob, you do seem to know what your talking about and I would like to read your previous thread's on this subject... I'm not much of a researcher compared to you, but some of the evidence seem's pretty convinceing that their where some individual's in our government that where part of the 911 attack's...