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6 pack without training abs

if by train abs you mean crunches/situps etc?

certainly. i never do ab isolation, squats, heavy compound movements that involve your abs/obliques will train them plenty without isolation.

also i know plenty of people who have six packs and haven't ever set foot in a weight room. they are some skinny ass mofos though.

in other words, having a six pack is a function of ab visibility which is a function of low bodyfat. you can do crunches and leg raises until you puke and never have abs if you arent' below 10-11% bf.
 
Having a 'six pack' without dieting/training means your bf is low enough to show muscle definition.

I have a buddy who is decently muscular, he doesnt lift weights at all, and his bf is around 6%. He does alot of drumming, which can burn a good deal of fat, but other wise hes just a skinny dude. But, he has a nice mid section, and he does no training, and drinks beer everyday.
 
10001110101 said:
squats, heavy compound movements that involve your abs/obliques will train them plenty without isolation.

you can do crunches and leg raises until you puke and never have abs if you arent' below 10-11% bf.
Is there benefit to doing isolation ab work even if you're above 10-11% body fat? In other words, will having a stronger abdominal region help with the major compound lifts?
 
I actually so a picture of me before I started training, so I guess I was around 13 year old, with bf around 5% if I had to take a guess. Had an 8 pack..LOL
No training whatsoever besides runing around and playing. It's all about bf IMO
 
PoweredUp said:
Is there benefit to doing isolation ab work even if you're above 10-11% body fat? In other words, will having a stronger abdominal region help with the major compound lifts?


Yes the stronger your core is the better you will be at the big lifts. Just make sure that you are doing low reps and high weight to build strength. I train abs in the 6-8 rep range and usually 3 sets.

Cheers,
Scotsman
 
My abs in the avatar are the product of no direct - although lots of squats, deads, etc

Since then I have started to do some ab work, hoping to improve lower abs. It may just be a b.f. or bloat issue
 
the question becomes: "What is a 6-pack?". If you want ab definition on a large, muscular frame, and you want your core to support you for other lifting activities, the you MUST train abs, obliques, and lower back with resistance. How can you be a serious bodybuilder and lift heavy otherwise? Being lean and small is another matter though. If it's size you want, train that core! :-)
 
You can still have a really nice set of abs, not train, or diet. There are some people who are just plain skinny, with muscle definition.
 
Sim882 said:
My abs in the avatar are the product of no direct - although lots of squats, deads, etc

Since then I have started to do some ab work, hoping to improve lower abs. It may just be a b.f. or bloat issue


there are no lower abs
 
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