51 year old Newbie needs some help with Gear

[dpt46jnj]

I am 51. I've been training on and off for 12 years. The last 2 1/2 years have been very consistant and made some good advices naturally. I became aware of Somatropin and bought a 12 week supply. I wasn't getting the results (after a month) so I decided to add Test-Enthanate, been taking that for a month. While I saw strength improvements and some better definition and still wanted better results. About 2 weeks ago I started Test Propinate. Below is my break down.

I train 4-5 days per week and hit it hard.

2UI HGG 5 days a week
1CC of test-Enthanate per week
1CC of test Propinate twice week.

I am seeing better strenght and stamia, and improved size and diffinition. However I do not see better sex drive. Fat lose around the mid section too

My question is as follows; Is HGH something that will enhance my results?
Am I taking enough Test E?
Is Test P. necessary?
How long can I stay on Test before a clean up period?
How soon can I start a new cycle after clean up?
And When will my sex drive pick up?

In advance thanks for any comments and advice from experienced people.

 

[thelion2005]

IMO ....
As I aged, it became very difficult to keep trim and strong. My sex drive and desire slowly dropped.

I began to read about andropause and HRT. Participating in such a program as HRT became more and more attractive as I read about the results. I came to understand that supplementing your natural hormones was a foundation of health after a certain age and supporting blood test results.

I found a local Doctor whose specialty is anti-aging. I have been in his program for 18 months now and it has made a world of difference.

A standard HRT program is low dosage and not meant to cause a shutdown of naturally occuring production. However, it is much akin to bb cycles, which are higher dose. Your choice, of course.

Your questions:
HGH is part of the program. My dosage is 1 iu MWF.
I take bioidentical test in a topical. It is equal to test prop, 50 mg X 2 p/w.
I also take 0.25 mg arimidex for anti-esto. Esto rises as men age ... gives us that chunky female look.
Test is necessary. My Doc states that test prop is what he used before bioidentical.
If the dosage is low, there is no "clean up".
My sex drive picked up immediately. My body must have been hungry for the supplements.

I also had to revamp my diet and drive out all fast sugars ... both sugar and flour/grain. That really worked well with the HRT and fat just dropped off ... and water poured out too.

Good luck.

 

[dpt46jnj]

Thank you for your response. I appreciate it.

IMO ....
As I aged, it became very difficult to keep trim and strong. My sex drive and desire slowly dropped.

I began to read about andropause and HRT. Participating in such a program as HRT became more and more attractive as I read about the results. I came to understand that supplementing your natural hormones was a foundation of health after a certain age and supporting blood test results.

I found a local Doctor whose specialty is anti-aging. I have been in his program for 18 months now and it has made a world of difference.

A standard HRT program is low dosage and not meant to cause a shutdown of naturally occuring production. However, it is much akin to bb cycles, which are higher dose. Your choice, of course.

Your questions:
HGH is part of the program. My dosage is 1 iu MWF.
I take bioidentical test in a topical. It is equal to test prop, 50 mg X 2 p/w.
I also take 0.25 mg arimidex for anti-esto. Esto rises as men age ... gives us that chunky female look.
Test is necessary. My Doc states that test prop is what he used before bioidentical.
If the dosage is low, there is no "clean up".
My sex drive picked up immediately. My body must have been hungry for the supplements.

I also had to revamp my diet and drive out all fast sugars ... both sugar and flour/grain. That really worked well with the HRT and fat just dropped off ... and water poured out too.

Good luck.

 

[raze]

You must spread some Karma around before giving it to thelion2005 again.

.... o well i tried! nice post as usual

 

[Lifterforlife]

I am 51. I've been training on and off for 12 years. The last 2 1/2 years have been very consistant and made some good advices naturally. I became aware of Somatropin and bought a 12 week supply. I wasn't getting the results (after a month) so I decided to add Test-Enthanate, been taking that for a month. While I saw strength improvements and some better definition and still wanted better results. About 2 weeks ago I started Test Propinate. Below is my break down.

I train 4-5 days per week and hit it hard.

2UI HGG 5 days a week
1CC of test-Enthanate per week
1CC of test Propinate twice week.

I am seeing better strenght and stamia, and improved size and diffinition. However I do not see better sex drive. Fat lose around the mid section too

My question is as follows; Is HGH something that will enhance my results?
Am I taking enough Test E?
Is Test P. necessary?
How long can I stay on Test before a clean up period?
How soon can I start a new cycle after clean up?
And When will my sex drive pick up?

In advance thanks for any comments and advice from experienced people.

The Lion made a great post. The only thing I would add is to your original question made in this quote.

I would not think the prop necessary at this point, and you are probably into a steroid abuse mode rather than TRT. Prop is a short ester, and is normally used for front loading till the longer ester E takes effect.

Most test cycles are around 12 weeks in duration.

It would probably be best to get clean so to speak, then get some blood work done. Then you can start a TRT therapy. You could be a do it yourselfer, this requires lots of guesswork and manipulation. If you choose this route, then no need for PCT, start reducing your doseages.

You will have to control E levels as I am sure you know.

I imagine your sex drive is probably more a result of high E2 rather than low test at this point if you are doing test E. Look into arimedex.

 

[gunnermuscle]

All of these responses have been valuable, but since Im 51 also and sort of in your situation I'll give you my scenario....

I tried HGH for a couple cycles and found it helpful in a couple ways, but not necessarily mindblowing in any...lost a little fat around the mid section and noticed some hair and skin improvements and MAYBE some muscle gain, but overall costs didnt quantify the usage. PLUS, the fact that HGH creates growth by growing EVERYTHING makes me a bit nervous -you make your muscles bigger, but you also make your internal organs and facial features bigger/larger simultaneously at a certain usage-that, and the infamous HGH bloated stomach was enough for me to stop use of it.

Alot of guys will try to get you to take major dosages of TEST but I think what youre doing is good.I no longer CYCLE. Ive been ON now for three years-straight through. Im doing better this way than going on/off/cycling and suffering through withdrawal symptons-both physical and mental. BUT, I also have reduced my intake significantly from cycle dosages to maintenance dosages. I was on Test 250 mg per week for two years before I noticed my sex drive dissapeared along the way. I stopped the TEST and went to DECA (200 mg/week) for a year and found my sex drive returning slowly over that period. Now that Im taking Propecia Ive recently changed my weekly stack to EQ (300/week) and Test(100/week).

In every case I gained good solid permanent muscle and the only changes I needed to make were the occasional fine tuning ones due to growing side effects.Im not gaining 20 lbs every month like guys on cycles but Im making consistent steady gains of 5-10 lbs per year and just monitoring all the sides to make sure nothing goes out of whack too far.At 51, I have critics telling me that staying on all the time- even at low/moderate dosages- is a terrible idea- and others telling me that using at all is ridiculous. BUT, for me its working amazingly well. I feel strong, confident,and look better than ever in my life (well, body wise that is).I honestly believe that using regular low to moderate dosages of AS has more benefits for the middle aged man that EXERCISES seriously than the men that dont.

Good luck with your programs.

 

[dpt46jnj]

I finished my cycle of the Test E. I think my dosage was too low so I introduced Test P to help it. Upon doing so I noticed that my muscle growth was very noticable and many of the guys in the gym were asking me what I was doing. I said diet, LOL... Anyway I'm in a clean up period for the next month and will start a new cycle as soon as I'm done with cleaning up.

My next cycle will include a higher dose of the Test E. 3CC per week and I want to add Deca to the cycle. I am still on the HGH and to tell you the truth I don't believe it is doing much. I will stay on HGH for another 3 months and determine if it's worth the expense or effort.

The clinic I am using strongly recommends a 10 week cycle verses a 12 week cycle which I hear is the norm on this board. My biggest concern is my prostate and will be having another check up mid January.

Thanks for all the advice.