500 testE EW only

[gotmilk]

if you want to cut and have a strict diet START NOW before cycle. why would you wait till you are ON CYCLE to start eating good?

+1

40/40/30 and make sure your fats are from skim milk and cottage cheese.

Me personally, when on test, my caloric intake has to be around 18 times my bodyweight in pounds. I have a high metabolism as it is. My protein comes mostly from eggs, chicken, and fresh haddock (the luck of living in Maine). My carbs are mostly rice, potatoes, and low sodium pasta.

As for the comment about different test esters and how will you know which affects you...it really does not matter if it's cyp, prop, or enan....you're not going to get moobs from Cyp and be fine from Prop at the same time. Either test elevated your own estrogen or it does not. I've seen studies where 600mg of enanthate barely raises your own natural estrogen levels and I've seen people using less with titties.

As for HCG, I'm not really down with using any during the first 4weeks of a test cycle. Only because your blood serum levels will not peak until 30 days into using. Your nizznuts will naturally slow production within the first 10 days.

 

[HAYEZ]

Now that was some very very helpfull posts. So this is what Ill do

Ill cut an other 4-5kg without roids. When an acceptable BF is reached (13-14%) I'll start 12 week test E only. I'll run small doses of HCG after 4-5 week and continue it into my PCT. Ill be dropping aromasin so PCT will be HCG + Nolva. Might use 0.5mg adex while ON if I bloat to much or gyno issues. Diet will be 500 + kcal and ratio will be 50/30/25

Howz dat?

dont put off a cycle over bodyfat that ridiculous..do your cycle and enjoy it..u dont have to be lean to cycle

 

[jmat2407]

dont put off a cycle over bodyfat that ridiculous..do your cycle and enjoy it..u dont have to be lean to cycle

That is one of the dumbest thing I have ever read on these forums. I'm sry man I know you said you've been in the game a long time but IMO you are giving out some bad advice.

I'm not saying you have to be ripped b4 you start a cycle but you should at least be in good overall health and body fat % is ONE of the indicators of that. So to say body fat % doesn't matter at all is a lil crazy to me.

 

[chesty]

12% may seem like an easy goal and for some of us its a walk in the park. But for others, many factors play into it. Low Test levels to start with, low gh output, thyroid function, etc. If your goal is to cut up, then yes, do what you can drug free, then add in the drugs. If your goal is to bulk, then body fat is not as much of a concern. Hell, look at the pro's like Jay Cutler, Ronnie Coleman, Lee Priest, with few exceptions off season most of these guys put on 30-60 pounds and no one is going to tell me it is all water and muscle. Most of that is fat.

I started my last cycle at almost 17% bf and nothing I did prior was I able to get below that and I used to compete when I was younger in body building. Now I am holding at 8% bf 3 months after cycle end and starting next cutting cycle in 6 weeks with goal to chop that down to 4-6% bf and then maintain. Part of my problem was my age. At some point your body just doesn't respond to things no matter how well laid out and executed they are. It is a fact of life.

I think the more important advice would be to make sure you are healthy and in shape. Being healthy and in shape will ensure your body is ready for the added stress of steroids. Being at a certain bf percentage in no way ensures this. I have met many people who were around 10%, but were so out of shape they got winded walking a flight of stairs.

 

[jmat2407]

I think the more important advice would be to make sure you are healthy and in shape. Being healthy and in shape will ensure your body is ready for the added stress of steroids. Being at a certain bf percentage in no way ensures this. I have met many people who were around 10%, but were so out of shape they got winded walking a flight of stairs.

I can agree with this. I just didn't like the way it was worded above that body fat % doesn't matter at all. Wording it like that would make it seem someone can use AAS to GET in shape, and that I can't support.

 

[chesty]

That is true. Remember the pro baseball player who was fat and started taking ephedrine to lose weight? He was out of shape and dropped dead at practice from a heart attack I believe due to extreme dehydration from taking ephedrine while an out of shape fat body.

We have to be careful how we word our advice so as not to give the wrong impression to people. Especially the newbs who know little to nothing except for what they have read. They could get the wrong impression and do something not in their best interest.

 

[ghettostudmuffin]

I'll fuckin say it.

Bodyfat really has no bearing on whether someone should use aas.

Think I'm full of shit. Say that to a super heavyweight olympic lifter or powerlifter and they will laugh at you.

I don't believe in someone using steroids thinking that the roids will do all the work for them, but if you know what you are doing then using roids while cutting is extremely beneficial just as it is while bulking.

Steroids are equally effective whether aiding cutting or bulking. If you think those massive pro bodybuilders can cut down to ultra ripped levels without being on a boat load of anabolics then you are obtuse.

If someone takes steroids solely because they think it will help them shed fat alone then that is wrong.

If a person using steroids while cutting to retain and even build muscle while losing large amounts of bodyfat then that is smart so long as they know what they are doing.

Why do you think natural bodybuilders are so much smaller on stage than roided up guys? It's because a natural guy cannot retain all that muscle they have when sitting at 10-17% bodyfat when they shred down to an ultra lean state. They become catabolic and lose muscle. I've seen quite a few natural bodybuilders that are pretty damn big in the gym, but look kinda small when they compete.

Steroids are not used solely for bodybuilding purposes. Steroids are not only physique enhancers, but performance enhancers. I myself use them more for performance enhancement because my goal is to get stronger and stronger with getting bigger being a side effect of the heavy weights and high food intake.

Believing someone should not use steroids simply because they don't meet a specific bodyfat criteria in your own mind is asinine.

Not every one gives a fuck whether they have a 6 pack or not. How about about a linebacker that has alot of muscle and fat. By your standards he should not use steroids when in fact he would get far more out of their use than you would what with increased strength, anaerobic endurance and faster recovery speed.

Before you go forming concrete opinions you might want to do a little more research.

 

[jmat2407]

I'll fuckin say it.

Bodyfat really has no bearing on whether someone should use aas.

Think I'm full of shit. Say that to a super heavyweight olympic lifter or powerlifter and they will laugh at you.

I don't believe in someone using steroids thinking that the roids will do all the work for them, but if you know what you are doing then using roids while cutting is extremely beneficial just as it is while bulking.

Steroids are equally effective whether aiding cutting or bulking. If you think those massive pro bodybuilders can cut down to ultra ripped levels without being on a boat load of anabolics then you are obtuse.

If someone takes steroids solely because they think it will help them shed fat alone then that is wrong.

If a person using steroids while cutting to retain and even build muscle while losing large amounts of bodyfat then that is smart so long as they know what they are doing.

Why do you think natural bodybuilders are so much smaller on stage than roided up guys? It's because a natural guy cannot retain all that muscle they have when sitting at 10-17% bodyfat when they shred down to an ultra lean state. They become catabolic and lose muscle. I've seen quite a few natural bodybuilders that are pretty damn big in the gym, but look kinda small when they compete.

Steroids are not used solely for bodybuilding purposes. Steroids are not only physique enhancers, but performance enhancers. I myself use them more for performance enhancement because my goal is to get stronger and stronger with getting bigger being a side effect of the heavy weights and high food intake.

Believing someone should not use steroids simply because they don't meet a specific bodyfat criteria in your own mind is asinine.

Not every one gives a fuck whether they have a 6 pack or not. How about about a linebacker that has alot of muscle and fat. By your standards he should not use steroids when in fact he would get far more out of their use than you would what with increased strength, anaerobic endurance and faster recovery speed.

Before you go forming concrete opinions you might want to do a little more research.

NO need to personally attack me. I didn't meen to label an EXACT body fat % as a requirement, I was simply saying you should at least be in healthy overall shape b4 taking AAS and body fat % is one of the indicators of overall health, not the ONLY indicator by any meens but one of them.

 

[ghettostudmuffin]

Fair enough.

I apologize for being overly aggressive with that post.

 

[chesty]

I think the point has been made that that your state of health is more important than a particular number. So long as your in shape and know what your goal is you should be able to attain it with steroids if your willing to bust your ass in and out of the gym!