Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below hi ,im 45..5ft8..190lbs//12Per cent bf..34in waist.16.5in. biceps.44 chest...daily calories 3000-3300...200g protein.daily..done 6 cycles of test e 500mg per week for 14 weeks,,once a yr..i gain 10-14lbs on cycle and with pct(ive tried them all)i lose it after 6 weeks..got my test checked last yr it was 11.2..normal range in uk is 9-28nmol.so im at the lower end,with low sex drive .depression .lethargic etc.im 8 weeks into a 12 week cycle of 400mgs test blend per week..im thinking of cruising on 250mg sus e10 days for 3 months..then blast 500mg for 8 weeks...as im sick of yo yo ing..yes i know may end up on trt .but looks like if i want decent gains and quality of life in mty 50s 60s ,,i may go for it anyway>?opinions??
45 ,low natty test..should i stay on or come off test cycle?
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you should not be yo yo'ing when you cycle. if your cycles are run smart and you have a solid pct then you will get a soft landing.
seems to me like you aren't doing that and you are getting frustrated. many guys in your shoes give up on cycling and just go on HRT. i think its a waste.. as a male you produce testosterone free of charge on your own. to shut that spicket off makes no sense to me.
what kind of pct were you running? what ancillaries were you on during cycle? did u use hmg and hcg to blast pre-pct?
be honest.
seems to me like you aren't doing that and you are getting frustrated. many guys in your shoes give up on cycling and just go on HRT. i think its a waste.. as a male you produce testosterone free of charge on your own. to shut that spicket off makes no sense to me.
what kind of pct were you running? what ancillaries were you on during cycle? did u use hmg and hcg to blast pre-pct?
be honest.
on cycle 0.5 adex e3d...hcg blast pree pct.1500iusx3 .4 days apart frm each jab..pct has been clomid .nolva.then...nolva.sustain..daa.then..hcgen,clomid..the reason i yo yo is simply because i have low test,no matter what pct or ancillaries use .it will always go back to bout 11..which in usa is bout 300....so the questiom im askin is do i want to spend the next 10yrs .feelin good 3-4 mOnths of the yr and crap the other 8-9??or go on trt and feel good all yr round .mentally,sexually and build good lean muscle??
From the way you word the question, you've already decided what you want to do and are just looking for people here to agree with you. The better question, the one that will actually allow people here to help you, would be:
"Is there something I can do to level out my hormone levels with supps and ancillaries to avoid feeling so down between cycles?"
Try that and give the folks here a chance to actually help.
"Is there something I can do to level out my hormone levels with supps and ancillaries to avoid feeling so down between cycles?"
Try that and give the folks here a chance to actually help.
clomid/nolva pct is about the worst thing you could do. i would recommend no pct vs. clomid/nolva. THAT right there is your problem and why you feel like shit after cycle
you been a member for quite a while so i understand you do things that are outdated, but gotta get with modern times.. we are in the year 2013, not running pct's recommended by guys who don't even cycle... have you noticed on the forums around the internet the guys who always recommend nolva/clomid pcts are guys who are on HRT. i have been saying that for years now and its true. you are gonna be another statistic added to that trend.
you will hear a guy recommend nolva/clomid and then in another thread they will say they are on year round. HUH??!! no wonder they don't ever come off, because they get such a horrible crash that they find it easier to just stay on.
for me i love coming off cycle, i actually feel BETTER off cycle than on. my lipids get a break and my body gets a break
you been a member for quite a while so i understand you do things that are outdated, but gotta get with modern times.. we are in the year 2013, not running pct's recommended by guys who don't even cycle... have you noticed on the forums around the internet the guys who always recommend nolva/clomid pcts are guys who are on HRT. i have been saying that for years now and its true. you are gonna be another statistic added to that trend.
you will hear a guy recommend nolva/clomid and then in another thread they will say they are on year round. HUH??!! no wonder they don't ever come off, because they get such a horrible crash that they find it easier to just stay on.
for me i love coming off cycle, i actually feel BETTER off cycle than on. my lipids get a break and my body gets a break
you mean line the pockets of supp companies for things that come no were near to giving the same effects as test?ive wasted enough cash over the yrs on supps off cyle believe me.
I'm not a rep for NTMB or anyone else, so my advice/feedback has no bias. I used HCGenerate on my recent cycle and it definitely worked as promised - kept me from raisining up, libido high and loads full. I'm just starting my PCT, but plenty of other members here with no affiliation to the company have shared their experiences. There are also a few members here in their 50's and older cycling on and off and raving about being able to feel good even when off cycle.
If it works for them, why not you?
If it works for them, why not you?
i have posted a pct on here many times, its the same pct guys like dylan and others who I didn't even know up until recently run as well. coincidence? or is it that we all found out through trial and error what worked.
its not all about pct.. its about running the proper ancillaries and supps during as well. a combination of supps and drugs.. for example using hcg and HMG to blast before pct is not only recommended but i find it a requirement for an injectable cycle.
the clomid/nolva pct is a bunch of malarkey pushed by guys who don't even cycle. or who come off for 5 weeks (which isn't even coming off) and then jump back on and think thats 'cycling' when it isn't...
i agree with jake, you posted a question out of frustration but are dead set on doing what you want to do. i'm giving you my opinion as to what is going on.. and i know EXACTLY what is going on because my first couple cycles i ran that clomid/nolva shit pct. my T levels btw were 98, then i started to talk to guys who weren't 'internet youtube fitness gurus' and they started teaching me something called "COVERING ALL BASES" it is really simple and if you look at it at a micro level remarkable.. since then i have learned the proper way to do things and have posted bloods many times proving it. nolva and clomid are SERMS.. read what SERMS do.. they do not cover all bases.. they are DRUGS with side effects none of which are good. now i spend my time trying to help guys on here do the same thing. if i told you how many guys have come to me that were in your shoes that i have taught the right way to do things you would shit your pants. its probably in the thousands. my PM box right now has 1400 PM's and that is just from the past month or two
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