30 weeks dbol!?!

[Sir-Que]

And yes, that research pertains to only me, and everyone is different, but I have yet to see any solid research or proof that shows anything to the contrary, other than all those old wives tales again

That sums it up right there, we are all different. You have you're ways of doing things and I have mine.

You seem to have missed the point of this whole thread like a few others. So you're telling me that guys who claim to gain 15 pounds of muscle on dbols cycles are keeping those gains you must be kidding, for most it's a lot of water retention.

Also since you're an expert on dbols, I want you to tell me how many dbol only cycles you've run or how many times you've ran dbol for 30 weeks (since that's what this thread is about anyway).

.well guess what, its the same with EVERY OTHER STEROID OUT THERE, AND DBOL IS NO DIFFERENT OTHER THAN THE FACT IT IS ORAL.......

I think not, or maybe this is you're opinion. Dbol, Eq, parabolin, primo are all not the same steroid. They all have their own effects, and each of these effects people differently. AND I DON'T NEED MY MOM TO TELL ME THAT.

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[Sir-Que]

You can stand by your statement, but its ignorant. So what if there are bros who don't care for dbols? Its not what needsize says, its what he shows. You are saying dbol gains can't be kept and that they result in puff-upped guys in the gym. He uses dbol heavily and his avatar says it all. WHere's the loss of size, where's the puffiness. You're posting opinions, he's posting a picture. Say it doesn't work for you, say it doesn't work for some guys you know, say you get puffy and so do other guys you know BUT DON'T MAKE THE STUPID STATEMENT THAT IT DOESN'T WORK WHEN BROS PROVE IT DOES. IT DOESN'T WORK FOR YOU! You've got a guy posting awsome size and definition and he attributes these gains in part to dbol. They are solid and well kept. So while you try to hide behind whacked out comments like Q don't listen to nobody, take a second and realize maybe you should. Is he lying about the source of his gains or his experiences with dbol? Is this some huge conspiracy to promote dbol? You're not a newbie, you are a closed minded guy who "don't listen to nobody" and it shows.

Yeah it is my opinion I though that was clear from the start. NEVER SAID DBOLS DON'T WORK, PERIOD. NEVER SAID DBOL DON'T HAVE THIER PLACE....READ THE THREAD. Some guys don't like deca...well I love the stuff. But if Needle or any other guy here said I don't like deca i'd rather use dbols do you think i'd care? I do what works for me.

Like I said I want to here how many time you or needle or any other bro's here have ran dbols for 30 weeks?

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[needsize]

sir-que, I didnt miss anything, you are making sweeping, definitive comments about dbol, implying that your opinion is fact, which it certainly is not. That is why I reacted to your statements, an opinion is one thing, but when you post your word as law, then you are wrong.
And you are changing your posts now, you said that you cant keep dbol gains, that was a statement you made, now you are trying to say you never said they work...stick to one thing
You are also taking part of what I said, trying to make it look like I'm saying something other than what I said by taking it out of context. Dbol is the same as other drugs in the way that any mass you gain is your to keep, and it is more anabolic than 75% of the other steroids
Now please show me one person with an outstanding physique, like yourself included, who agrees with your statements about dbol, and how useless it is......it is always guys with very little understanding of steroids and their effects on the body, that make those statements

 

[Sir-Que]

sir-que, I didnt miss anything, you are making sweeping, definitive comments about dbol, implying that your opinion is fact, which it certainly is not. That is why I reacted to your statements, an opinion is one thing, but when you post your word as law, then you are wrong.
And you are changing your posts now, you said that you cant keep dbol gains, that was a statement you made, now you are trying to say you never said they work...stick to one thing
You are also taking part of what I said, trying to make it look like I'm saying something other than what I said by taking it out of context. Dbol is the same as other drugs in the way that any mass you gain is your to keep, and it is more anabolic than 75% of the other steroids
Now please show me one person with an outstanding physique, like yourself included, who agrees with your statements about dbol, and how useless it is......it is always guys with very little understanding of steroids and their effects on the body, that make those statements

I'm not trying to take what you said out of context, but you're taking what I said out of context.......

This was my first post....

“I'd have to agree here, dbols gives you fake gains IMO. That's not to say it's not good to start a cycle if you can't wait for the gear to kick in. But you can't really think you're keepin that stuff cause it't not muscle gains at all.
On a side note: dbols are the main reason we have the "puffball" guys walking around the gym looking like professional "bowlingballers" instead of bodybuilders. “

This is my second......


“And that's what i'm talking about!!.....My comments for the most part were for the people who take dbols and claim to be "up 10 pounds". I hear this all the time on this board, "i'm in my 2th week and UP 15 pounds", "I just hope I can keep all my GAINS".....now you and I know MUSCLE don't grow that fast, so why would a guy want to keep gains from dbol that are obvious, to me anyway, not muscle.

I'd never say there's NO reason for dbols or there's NO use for it, dbols do have their place. But for most I think dbols are used to pack on mass and that doesn't necessarily mean LBM, they just want to see the scale go up.”

^This was the crux of my argument, pain and simple. We can do this all day and at the end, I DON'T LIKE DBOLS. I've used them and I stiil prefer injects over orals for mass, period. Yes mg for mg dbols are more anaolic than most steroids, this is obvious. But i'd take my parabolin over dbols any day of the week.

You can claim dbol success.....But why don't you list the peripherals used in conjunction with dbol as well. Shit I know guys who take whatever they can get their hand on and they're huge, but that don't mean i'd go that route. You claim it's people who have little understanding of steroids who make these statements, but you've said NOT ONE WORD about the "dbols for 30 weeks"?

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[luciano]

very good posts Needsize , u made this tread useful for the readers

 

[needsize]

you said dbol is fake gains, that is my point, there is nothing fake about it, and you have nothing to back that up
as for the 30 weeks, I have nothing on that(although I did run it at 80mg for around 8 weeks, and my blood test still had everything normal), but there was a study about a girl on anadrol. She was on it for medical reasons, and toxic liver problems didnt show up until she had been on for 2 YEARS

 

[slat1]

You got to love a bunch of guys on AAS trying to have an adult level debate! For pure entertainment purposes this has been great.
I will stick with what I wrote earlier in the thread!

 

[pudding]

I would like to jump in here. Even though I stopped a week earlier due to sides of severe lethargy, I fully intend to do another dbol cycle in several weeks. I will change brand and do some other tweaking. I love the gains I established and I have an optimistic attitude about what I will retain.

 

[critical_mass70]

I did a cycle of Dbol and sust for 10 weeks and had good results. It wasn't until I uped my Dbol intake that I got the zitts. I cut it back and they went away. I retained aprox 80% of my gains... thats just me though

 

[idcbp]

Its a new day and this thread continues...LOL

The bottomline is this, the initial statement made by DBBT, was that dbol is not good for LBM gains. Sir Q, not looking for further arguements, but suffice to say that you were agreeing with DBBT as you posted immediately afterward. Thats where you made the fake gains comment. Now, you are saying you meant the water weight, but we all know water weight isn't actual muscle, but it is a tool for building LBM. The thread itself had broken down to a debate over the merits of dbol. The two sides at their core were argueing for or against the use of dbol. In this context, it was clearly stated that dbol produces puffiness and water weight and the gains are not keepable. This is incorrect. The gains and the water are two different things. You keep the muscle gains and drop the water. Now you all are retreating to the safety of offering up the pathetic cases inwhich newbies eat and train for shit, and pack on 15lbs of water while gaining no real muscle and then lose it when they quit cold turkey with no PCT. This is a flawed way to debate the merits of a drug by present a worst case user. No steroid would hold up. Instead, we are offering irrefutable evidence that when used properly it can produce excellent LBM gains. When you gave your experience no one said you were lying, just that your experience wasn't the rule. Why when another side is given, and backed up by pictures, do you doubt it? No hard feeling bro, if it got personal, I apologize. Glad for the debate, but I've had my fill.