30 weeks dbol!?!

[nutsnack]

ok im not really considering dbol for 30 weeks but im planning out my 2nd cycle.. im not close to starting it but id like to get some ideas of what other people have used on their 2nd cycles and the results they got? I am looking for a bulking cycle while staying lean.
1st cycle was prop and deca
was wanting to try some primobolan in the next cycle to harden up or should i use winny?

6'6"
215lbs
7.5%BF
6 years lifting exp
22 yrs old

K for input!
Thanks

 

[swordfish151]

ok im not really considering dbol for 30 weeks but im planning out my 2nd cycle.. im not close to starting it but id like to get some ideas of what other people have used on their 2nd cycles and the results they got? I am looking for a bulking cycle while staying lean.
1st cycle was prop and deca
was wanting to try some primobolan in the next cycle to harden up or should i use winny?

6'6"
215lbs
7.5%BF
6 years lifting exp
22 yrs old

K for input!
Thanks

always incorporate Test in any cycle bro...how about a sust/dbol/winny cycle?

 

[TheAssholeFomerlyKnownAsDBBT]

ok im not really considering dbol for 30 weeks but im planning out my 2nd cycle.. im not close to starting it but id like to get some ideas of what other people have used on their 2nd cycles and the results they got? I am looking for a bulking cycle while staying lean.
1st cycle was prop and deca
was wanting to try some primobolan in the next cycle to harden up or should i use winny?

6'6"
215lbs
7.5%BF
6 years lifting exp
22 yrs old

K for input!
Thanks

don't waste your $$ on primo..youre too damn light bro, 6'6" you need to be 250+, and hitting up mass cycles, your bfat is low, you need to eat more, do test and deca stacked cycles and just eat, your frame is 1.5 inches taller than me but I got 40lbs. on you. Dbol, waste of $$ even tho its cheap. Stick with injections

 

[nutsnack]

always incorporate Test in any cycle bro...how about a sust/dbol/winny cycle?

i would prefer to stay away from sust due to those gigantic zits they cause also want to stay away from prop due to the fact it kicked my ass my first cycle with the whole soreness thing but i think it was just that brand of gear!?

 

[nutsnack]

don't waste your $$ on primo..youre too damn light bro, 6'6" you need to be 250+, and hitting up mass cycles, your bfat is low, you need to eat more, do test and deca stacked cycles and just eat, your frame is 1.5 inches taller than me but I got 40lbs. on you. Dbol, waste of $$ even tho its cheap. Stick with injections

first cycle was prop/ deca i forgot to mention.. results are going good.. enth / deca combo work if i front load? what kind of doses should i be looking at as well?

 

[idcbp]

don't waste your $$ on primo..youre too damn light bro, 6'6" you need to be 250+, and hitting up mass cycles, your bfat is low, you need to eat more, do test and deca stacked cycles and just eat, your frame is 1.5 inches taller than me but I got 40lbs. on you. Dbol, waste of $$ even tho its cheap. Stick with injections

Why is dbol a waste of money? It definitely hasn't been for me. In fact, its been dollar for dollar the most effective mass building drug I've encountered. Thats not water weight or temporary gains, but permanent LBM. 9 times outta 10 if you aren't happy with dbol results, you are to blame, not the drug. It is on point for bulking or cutting (til you need to dry out of course in comp. cases). The effect dbol has on your body creates the ideal environment for the serious bodybuilder. Proper pct and dosage/cycling is necessary, but when done properly the results are second to none. Just my experience.

 

[Goodfellow]

I would suggest that you do something like this:

Test enanthate weeks 1-8 500mg
Deca weeks 1-8 400mg
Dboll weeks 1-4 40-50mg ed

 

[Miamiblue]

Yeah I agree with, idcbp, dbol is pretty bombass for the money! Shit is cheap as hell!! And MOST not all, people who say it's shit is because of their cycle. Not training right, no nolva or Arm on the side, and no pct. If you run that shit correctly with test etc. Then I can't imagine why it's a waste. Anyways...

 

[flex2win]

Well, any form of test is bound to cause some acne, whether it be from a blend such as Sus, or one ester such as enanthate. This being said, I am a FIRM believer that test belongs in every cycle, cutting or bulking, it is a great androgen. In your cause, i'm gonna prescribe the all time classic mass builder:
Wk 1-4: 30mg Dbol/ed
Wk 1-8: 200-400mg Deca
Wk 1-10: 500mg Test(Enanthate)
You could run some oral winny at the end, but this cycle with sufficient caloric intake and hard training is unbeatable!!! PERIOD...

 

[slat1]

What makes you think Sust causes acne?

 

[showtime2004]

First, You're 6'6 and 215? If I were you I would be running a couple of bulking cycles before I hardened up. Second, I love dbol, it always gets me growing at the beginning and I would recommend it to anyone. Third, if I were in your shoes, for a second cycle I would run like this:

Week 1-12 - Test E 500mg/wk
Week 1-12 - Deca 400mg/wk
Week 1-5 - Dbol 25/mg day

hope this helps.

 

[nutsnack]

What makes you think Sust causes acne?

my friend was on it for awhile and i wouldnt call what he had acne id call it gigantic zits!!

 

[eviction]

don't waste your $$ on primo..youre too damn light bro, 6'6" you need to be 250+, and hitting up mass cycles, your bfat is low, you need to eat more, do test and deca stacked cycles and just eat, your frame is 1.5 inches taller than me but I got 40lbs. on you. Dbol, waste of $$ even tho its cheap. Stick with injections

i disagree. I think d-bol is one of the most effective steroids out there when used properly and in conjunction with the proper mix of gear. Dbol & test or Dbol & primo would be a solid cycle

 

[anfo]

my friend was on it for awhile and i wouldnt call what he had acne id call it gigantic zits!!

I'm on my second cycle w/sust and I never get acne, maybe 1 or 2 pimples here and there that I probably would have got anyway. If you watch your hygine and use clearisil or prescription acne meds etc. you wont have a problem. You have to know how your body reacts to the test before you write off. If you do have a problem with it, just get the right solution. You can combat nearly any side effect but until you know how you individually respond to a substance you are just self defeating.

 

[TheAssholeFomerlyKnownAsDBBT]

Why is dbol a waste of money? It definitely hasn't been for me. In fact, its been dollar for dollar the most effective mass building drug I've encountered. Thats not water weight or temporary gains, but permanent LBM. 9 times outta 10 if you aren't happy with dbol results, you are to blame, not the drug. It is on point for bulking or cutting (til you need to dry out of course in comp. cases). The effect dbol has on your body creates the ideal environment for the serious bodybuilder. Proper pct and dosage/cycling is necessary, but when done properly the results are second to none. Just my experience.

1. its oral
2. its not keepable gains
3. gyno
4. numbers 1,2 and 3 are enough for me to not take it regardless if its cheap and will jumpstart my cycle

 

[Advisor_x]

30 weeks of dbol........do you have an extra liver????????

 

[Sir-Que]

1. its oral
2. its not keepable gains
3. gyno
4. numbers 1,2 and 3 are enough for me to not take it regardless if its cheap and will jumpstart my cycle

I'd have to agree here, dbols gives you fake gains IMO. That's not to say it's not good to start a cycle if you can't wait for the gear to kick in. But you can't really think you're keepin that stuff cause it't not muscle gains at all.

On a side note: dbols are the main reason we have the "puffball" guys walking around the gym looking like professional "bowlingballers" instead of bodybuilders.

30 weeks of dbol........do you have an extra liver????????

Yeha tell me about it.....

SQ-

 

[quadkilla31]

i disagree. I think d-bol is one of the most effective steroids out there when used properly and in conjunction with the proper mix of gear. Dbol & test or Dbol & primo would be a solid cycle

I totally agree can't go wrong with test and dbol. I have know earthly idea way anyone would say dbol is a waste of cash. Just my .02.

 

[quadkilla31]

I'd have to agree here, dbols gives you fake gains IMO. That's not to say it's not good to start a cycle if you can't wait for the gear to kick in. But you can't really think you're keepin that stuff cause it't not muscle gains at all.

On a side note: dbols are the main reason we have the "puffball" guys walking around the gym looking like professional "bowlingballers" instead of bodybuilders.


Yeha tell me about it.....

SQ-

I don't agree with your statement whatsoever. You have not used dbol correctly then if this is what you believe.

 

[luciano]

Most ppl have no problem with gyno on Dbol
gains r keepable as any other gains its just water who comes out , make the difference
If u cant grow with dbol u wont grow with anything

 

[JAV]

My brief 4 week experience with Dbol only was actually a good success!

I went from 170 - 185 pounds...

I was on 20 mg/per day for a month... Afterwards I did some clomid and *kept* my diet and calories really high.....

Now it's about a a month later and I am 181 pounds and have retained all of my stregnth increases...

I can't wait to see what happens when I combine in with Sust or something like that!!



-j

 

[Sir-Que]

I don't agree with your statement whatsoever. You have not used dbol correctly then if this is what you believe.

Ok since i'm a newbie, explain to me how do you use dbols incorrectly.

SQ-

 

[Joe Stenson]

I'd have to agree here, dbols gives you fake gains IMO. That's not to say it's not good to start a cycle if you can't wait for the gear to kick in. But you can't really think you're keepin that stuff cause it't not muscle gains at all.

WTF are you talking about? "Fake gains", lol, do some research buddy.

When people are talking about "gains" they mean "muscle gains". Any MUSCLE you gain from d-bol is keepable, just like any muscle you gain from test, tren, winny, or naturally. You lose water weight, but so what? If you're taking d-bol you should know you're going to retain some water and that you'll lose it at the end of the cycle. You shouldn't be crying when you lose those 10 lbs because it's not muscle.

 

[Aquest]

Do It, I Have Taken It Year Round, And Love It, Just Make Sure You Take The Right Supps And Have Your Levels Checked On A Regular Basis, I Also Took Test With It, Great Results

 

[Qphoton]

all i heard on this board is right because we are not a machine standard anyway ..it gives me the usual kick in addition it fucks me on my back even on low doses like 20 mg i swear i wouldn't able to walk sometimes after my workout and this only associated with the d-backshit-bol ....welcome to all firiends " when i am off my d-bol cycle "...

 

[Sir-Que]

WTF are you talking about? "Fake gains", lol, do some research buddy.

When people are talking about "gains" they mean "muscle gains". Any MUSCLE you gain from d-bol is keepable, just like any muscle you gain from test, tren, winny, or naturally. You lose water weight, but so what? If you're taking d-bol you should know you're going to retain some water and that you'll lose it at the end of the cycle. You shouldn't be crying when you lose those 10 lbs because it's not muscle.

You sound like a fool, you're arguing with ME on a dbol for 30 weeks thread?? Why don't YOU do a search and bring me all the links and pics of these dbol cycles. LIKE I SAID IT'S FAKE GAINS AND ANYBODY WHO EXPECTS TO KEEP THOSE ARE FOOLING THEMSELVES.

SQ-

 

[luciano]

there is no fake gains , gains r gains , fake gains does not xsist

 

[Sir-Que]

The water weight I see guys bragging about is veyr much fake gains. Muscle = gains, Water = Side effects, not gains.

SQ-

 

[luciano]

i agree muscle = gains , and water = H2O, thats it
using dbol corectly could mean to use clomid at the end THIS IS A MUST

 

[Joe Stenson]

The water weight I see guys bragging about is veyr much fake gains. Muscle = gains, Water = Side effects, not gains.

That's fine, but anyone talking about water weight as "gains" is a moron. Assuming you're speaking with a semi-intelligent person d-bol gains are real as anything else.

 

[luciano]

after 2 weeks of dbol one will weight 7 kg + so how dumb could someone b to call that 7 kg as "muscle gain" .I appreciate my progress watchin in the miror , touching my muscle with hand , measuring with a tape , i dont care to much about weight .
Just imagine 2 lbs of flesh , lets say beef from butchery and then try to mentaly put it on your arms and chest and shoulders so u will see that only 2 lbs of real muscle is a huge gain .PPl use to talk so easily about dozens of lbs of muscle gained in 2 months , this seem to me a joke .

 

[Sir-Que]

after 2 weeks of dbol one will weight 7 kg + so how dumb could someone b to call that 7 kg as "muscle gain" .I appreciate my progress watchin in the miror , touching my muscle with hand , measuring with a tape , i dont care to much about weight .
Just imagine 2 lbs of flesh , lets say beef from butchery and then try to mentaly put it on your arms and chest and shoulders so u will see that only 2 lbs of real muscle is a huge gain .PPl use to talk so easily about dozens of lbs of muscle gained in 2 months , this seem to me a joke .

And that's what i'm talking about!!.....My comments for the most part were for the people who take dbols and claim to be "up 10 pounds". I hear this all the time on this board, "i'm in my 2th week and UP 15 pounds", "I just hope I can keep all my GAINS".....now you and I know MUSCLE don't grow that fast, so why would a guy want to keep gains from dbol that are obvious, to me anyway, not muscle.

I'd never say there's NO reason for dbols or there's NO use for it, dbols do have their place. But for most I think dbols are used to pack on mass and that doesn't necessarily mean LBM, they just want to see the scale go up.

 

[DIVISION]

You sound like a fool, you're arguing with ME on a dbol for 30 weeks thread?? Why don't YOU do a search and bring me all the links and pics of these dbol cycles. LIKE I SAID IT'S FAKE GAINS AND ANYBODY WHO EXPECTS TO KEEP THOSE ARE FOOLING THEMSELVES.

I agree with your post, even though Brady is overrated and your Pats only actually won one of the past three superbowls they were credited for.




DIV

 

[Aquest]

isnt muscle about 80% water, and dbol creates water retention.......hmmmmmmmmm......makes ya think doesnt it

 

[luciano]

building big muscle is a slow procesus it takes time , years , no mater what steroid is used, use common sense

 

[DIVISION]

isnt muscle about 80% water, and dbol creates water retention.......hmmmmmmmmm......makes ya think doesnt it

It makes me think......WHO GAVE YOU ALL THAT NEGATIVE KARMA???

Nugga.....




DIV

 

[Aquest]

It makes me think......WHO GAVE YOU ALL THAT NEGATIVE KARMA???

Nugga.....




DIV

i could tell ya names, but that would just give them credibility, and im not about to do that, brother

 

[DIVISION]

i could tell ya names, but that would just give them credibility, and im not about to do that, brother

That's fine......don't tell me WHO.

but WHY did they do it?




DIV

 

[idcbp]

I don't think a statement could piss me off more than the incredible stupid and incorrect one made by Sir Q, an admitted newbie, that dbol gains are fake. I guess when I look in the mirror I'm hallucinating when I see my body. Right bro? Water weight is water weight and its gained with alomst and androgen. It helps build muscle and limits injuries. It can cause a bloated look, but that can be remedied during the cycle with anti-estros, or simply goes away post cycle with the cessation of andros. The muscle built during this process is still there. There is NO SUCH THING AS FAKE MUSCLE! Thats absurd. I guess Needsize swears by dbol b/c it gives him fake gains too! What a load of bullshit. Have you ever even used dbol? Otherwise, quit parroting what you hear other clueless posters polluting this board with. DBBT, if you've used dbol and don't like the estro effects, I can dig that, but I've always thought you knew a thing or two. You're telling me you beleive in the myth of fake gains? Muscle is muscle. Once you have it you lose it if you don't maintain the proper environment post cyle in your body. I have kept my dbol gains and I know tons of other who have as well. That means you can say you didn't keep you gains, an so can Division, and to that I'd say I'm surprised b/c you both are knowledgable and know PCT and post cycle dynamics (in fact I'd ask you bros to give it another shot), but I don't see how you guys can try to say that dbol gains for everyone are unkeepable when there are so many bros who have seen great gains and kept them. Not flaming, just surprised to see such broad generalizations from guys I know are in touch with alot of bros juicing so you must know some who have succesfully utilized dbol.

 

[DIVISION]

I don't think a statement could piss me off more than the incredible stupid and incorrect one made by Sir Q, an admitted newbie, that dbol gains are fake. I guess when I look in the mirror I'm hallucinating when I see my body. Right bro? Water weight is water weight and its gained with alomst and androgen. It helps build muscle and limits injuries. It can cause a bloated look, but that can be remedied during the cycle with anti-estros, or simply goes away post cycle with the cessation of andros. The muscle built during this process is still there. There is NO SUCH THING AS FAKE MUSCLE! Thats absurd. I guess Needsize swears by dbol b/c it gives him fake gains too! What a load of bullshit. Have you ever even used dbol? Otherwise, quit parroting what you hear other clueless posters polluting this board with. DBBT, if you've used dbol and don't like the estro effects, I can dig that, but I've always thought you knew a thing or two. You're telling me you beleive in the myth of fake gains? Muscle is muscle. Once you have it you lose it if you don't maintain the proper environment post cyle in your body. I have kept my dbol gains and I know tons of other who have as well. That means you can say you didn't keep you gains, an so can Division, and to that I'd say I'm surprised b/c you both are knowledgable and know PCT and post cycle dynamics (in fact I'd ask you bros to give it another shot), but I don't see how you guys can try to say that dbol gains for everyone are unkeepable when there are so many bros who have seen great gains and kept them. Not flaming, just surprised to see such broad generalizations from guys I know are in touch with alot of bros juicing so you must know some who have succesfully utilized dbol.

Relax, Relax bro.......

Take an valium....

I think most of the gains from D-bol initially are from the water retention in the muscle bellies and joints, which allow more leverage, and more weight to be lifted. After cessation of D-bol, much of this water retention is expelled and the leverage which was once favorable is not nearly as much, not so say there's NO GAINS from D-bol, but I wouldn't expect significant LBM gains from a D-bol only cycle.

Hope that clears it up on my end.




DIV

 

[slat1]

You can gain and keep muscle from dbol. As mentioned prior I believe the issue is with people who brag that they put on 15lbs of muscle in two weeks. So the issue isn't with dbol... its with people who are not intelligent enough to understand that they gained a ton of water not muscle at that point. Every compound has a practical place in society. Each person responds differently to each compound. To try and label results from a compound broadly would be a mistake. Everyone above has a reason for posting what they did... their own experience.
My experience... I blow up like a mad man on 20ms of dbol for 4 weeks. That can mean 15 to 20 lbs. I don't want to be that guy at the gym that makes that transformation that fast. I am also cautious about the strength coming on that fast. Injuries happen and I don't like set backs. So, for the most part, I avoid dbol.

 

[Aquest]

That's fine......don't tell me WHO.

but WHY did they do it?




DIV

misunderstanding, somebody thought i said something i didnt about some autistic guy pulling his cock out in a public gym, just stupid shit, and they all jumped at the chance to give red karma, ooooohhh.....and it just hurt so much

 

[idcbp]

Relax, Relax bro.......

Take an valium....

I think most of the gains from D-bol initially are from the water retention in the muscle bellies and joints, which allow more leverage, and more weight to be lifted. After cessation of D-bol, much of this water retention is expelled and the leverage which was once favorable is not nearly as much, not so say there's NO GAINS from D-bol, but I wouldn't expect significant LBM gains from a D-bol only cycle.

Hope that clears it up on my end.




DIV

My bad if I came across too harsh. It was more the other bro who admitted he was a newbie and is basically telling me dbol gains are fake when I can look in the mirror, or at other bros and see the results. In responding to you, I was more just trying to get you to see where I was coming from. I see what you're saying Div, but I gotta tell you that my experience has been much different. Currently, I'm cutting with dbol. I am taking 2.5mg of femara and 20mg of Nolv. daily and am holding very little water. My gain are from the extreme effect dbol has on protein synthesis and its unreal ability to prevent any muscle wasting on a harsh carb restricting low cal diet. Its my first time cutting via dbol and I'm amazed. I have dropped 3 inches off my waist in the past 5 weeks and my weight has remained static. The waist measuremnt will probably be even more pronounced when the little water I'm holding is dropped, but again its not much. The water gains initially seen are only aids and are not real growth, I'm with you on that, but there's much more to dbol. It turns your body into a prime environment for muscle growth. For me strength is really just a by-product. I guess I get jumpy b/c its like people are talking bad about my best friend here LOL who's helped me bulk and now is showing he can cut with the best of em. As I said, never meant to come across as a flame or antagonistic, if it did I apologize. H

 

[luciano]

i want to comment this statement that can b seen here very often :
DONT XPECT TO MUCH LBM FROM DBOL

if u undestand from this that dbol is not effective or it is inferior to other steroids IMO this is : BIG MISTAKE


dbol does a lot by itself but of course if u stack it with other shit , test and deca and ... there ll b obviously more gains

fact is for me and many others dbol is one of the few steroids who can be used alone and provides enough gains 2 b pleased by the rythm of the progress, not too slow not too fast , anyway i dont believe in fast gains, i rather believe in genetic and smart training to make the difference

 

[pudding]

I ended my dbol cycle today. I cut it a week short. Gains and power were excellent, but afternoon lethargy was killing me. The lower back pumps hurt, but I could handle that. I will now see what gains I get to keep.

 

[needsize]

I cant believe some of the absolute verbal diarhea I'm reading in this post
Dbol is the same as any other steroid out there, any mass you gain from it is your mass to keep, and you piss out any water you gain....well guess what, its the same with EVERY OTHER STEROID OUT THERE, AND DBOL IS NO DIFFERENT OTHER THAN THE FACT IT IS ORAL.......
The more anabolic a drug is, the the more positive its effect on your nitrogen retention, which means the more it helps you build MUSCLE MASS...and dbol ranks about a 8 or 9 out of 10 on just about every anabolic tanking chart, which is higher than most other steroids, other than ones like test and deca, way higher than ones like primo, winny, etc.
So anyone who says that you dont keep your gains from it, needs to stop circulating the old wives tales that are told around the gym, and learn something about steroids! If you learned everything you know about steroids either from the gym, or from your mom, maybe you shouldnt be giving advice on an anabolic board.
In 3.5 years, I've gone from 180-260 solid pounds(at 5'8"), and I absolutely swear by dbol for a large part of those gains. So those that swear you dont keep anything, lets see your pics, and we can compare what you have kept from other drugs, to what I have or have not kept from drugs like dbol! And especially to Sir-Que, who made the comment about dbol being responsible for the puffballs walking around the gym that look nothing like bodybuilders......lets see the pics then, of what a bodybuilder should look like, then compared to me, because apparently that must be all I am with my dbol gains

 

[needsize]

one last thing...it is an oral, so what??? Those that talk about how bad orals are for you, where is your research to back that up? I have my own...all my blood tests, ecg for my heart, etc, that show NOTHING of mine has ever moved out of the normal range...despite running doses that most would consider to be nuts
And yes, that research pertains to only me, and everyone is different, but I have yet to see any solid research or proof that shows anything to the contrary, other than all those old wives tales again

 

[Sir-Que]

I don't think a statement could piss me off more than the incredible stupid and incorrect one made by Sir Q, an admitted newbie, that dbol gains are fake. I guess when I look in the mirror I'm hallucinating when I see my body. Right bro? Water weight is water weight and its gained with alomst and androgen. It helps build muscle and limits injuries. It can cause a bloated look, but that can be remedied during the cycle with anti-estros, or simply goes away post cycle with the cessation of andros. The muscle built during this process is still there. There is NO SUCH THING AS FAKE MUSCLE! Thats absurd. I guess Needsize swears by dbol b/c it gives him fake gains too! What a load of bullshit. Have you ever even used dbol? Otherwise, quit parroting what you hear other clueless posters polluting this board with. DBBT, if you've used dbol and don't like the estro effects, I can dig that, but I've always thought you knew a thing or two. You're telling me you beleive in the myth of fake gains? Muscle is muscle. Once you have it you lose it if you don't maintain the proper environment post cyle in your body. I have kept my dbol gains and I know tons of other who have as well. That means you can say you didn't keep you gains, an so can Division, and to that I'd say I'm surprised b/c you both are knowledgable and know PCT and post cycle dynamics (in fact I'd ask you bros to give it another shot), but I don't see how you guys can try to say that dbol gains for everyone are unkeepable when there are so many bros who have seen great gains and kept them. Not flaming, just surprised to see such broad generalizations from guys I know are in touch with alot of bros juicing so you must know some who have succesfully utilized dbol.

:First the Newbie comment was a sarcastic statement.

:Secondly I don't care what Needlesize says, Que don't follow anybody, period. And if you've actually been around this forum you'd know that there are more than a handful of bro's that don't care for dbols.

:Thirdly if you read this thread in entirety you'd understand my point.

:I'm not backing off my statement bro, grown men who have their own experiences take thier own judgment.

SQ-

 

[nutsnack]

seems like i started some sort of Ji-had.. i was just really looking for advice on a cycle!

 

[idcbp]

:First the Newbie comment was a sarcastic statement.

:Secondly I don't care what Needlesize says, Que don't follow anybody, period. And if you've actually been around this forum you'd know that there are more than a handful of bro's that don't care for dbols.

:Thirdly if you read this thread in entirety you'd understand my point.

:I'm not backing off my statement bro, grown men who have their own experiences take thier own judgment.

SQ-

You can stand by your statement, but its ignorant. So what if there are bros who don't care for dbols? Its not what needsize says, its what he shows. You are saying dbol gains can't be kept and that they result in puff-upped guys in the gym. He uses dbol heavily and his avatar says it all. WHere's the loss of size, where's the puffiness. You're posting opinions, he's posting a picture. Say it doesn't work for you, say it doesn't work for some guys you know, say you get puffy and so do other guys you know BUT DON'T MAKE THE STUPID STATEMENT THAT IT DOESN'T WORK WHEN BROS PROVE IT DOES. IT DOESN'T WORK FOR YOU! You've got a guy posting awsome size and definition and he attributes these gains in part to dbol. They are solid and well kept. So while you try to hide behind whacked out comments like Q don't listen to nobody, take a second and realize maybe you should. Is he lying about the source of his gains or his experiences with dbol? Is this some huge conspiracy to promote dbol? You're not a newbie, you are a closed minded guy who "don't listen to nobody" and it shows.

 

[Sir-Que]

And yes, that research pertains to only me, and everyone is different, but I have yet to see any solid research or proof that shows anything to the contrary, other than all those old wives tales again

That sums it up right there, we are all different. You have you're ways of doing things and I have mine.

You seem to have missed the point of this whole thread like a few others. So you're telling me that guys who claim to gain 15 pounds of muscle on dbols cycles are keeping those gains you must be kidding, for most it's a lot of water retention.

Also since you're an expert on dbols, I want you to tell me how many dbol only cycles you've run or how many times you've ran dbol for 30 weeks (since that's what this thread is about anyway).

.well guess what, its the same with EVERY OTHER STEROID OUT THERE, AND DBOL IS NO DIFFERENT OTHER THAN THE FACT IT IS ORAL.......

I think not, or maybe this is you're opinion. Dbol, Eq, parabolin, primo are all not the same steroid. They all have their own effects, and each of these effects people differently. AND I DON'T NEED MY MOM TO TELL ME THAT.

SQ-

 

[Sir-Que]

You can stand by your statement, but its ignorant. So what if there are bros who don't care for dbols? Its not what needsize says, its what he shows. You are saying dbol gains can't be kept and that they result in puff-upped guys in the gym. He uses dbol heavily and his avatar says it all. WHere's the loss of size, where's the puffiness. You're posting opinions, he's posting a picture. Say it doesn't work for you, say it doesn't work for some guys you know, say you get puffy and so do other guys you know BUT DON'T MAKE THE STUPID STATEMENT THAT IT DOESN'T WORK WHEN BROS PROVE IT DOES. IT DOESN'T WORK FOR YOU! You've got a guy posting awsome size and definition and he attributes these gains in part to dbol. They are solid and well kept. So while you try to hide behind whacked out comments like Q don't listen to nobody, take a second and realize maybe you should. Is he lying about the source of his gains or his experiences with dbol? Is this some huge conspiracy to promote dbol? You're not a newbie, you are a closed minded guy who "don't listen to nobody" and it shows.

Yeah it is my opinion I though that was clear from the start. NEVER SAID DBOLS DON'T WORK, PERIOD. NEVER SAID DBOL DON'T HAVE THIER PLACE....READ THE THREAD. Some guys don't like deca...well I love the stuff. But if Needle or any other guy here said I don't like deca i'd rather use dbols do you think i'd care? I do what works for me.

Like I said I want to here how many time you or needle or any other bro's here have ran dbols for 30 weeks?

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[needsize]

sir-que, I didnt miss anything, you are making sweeping, definitive comments about dbol, implying that your opinion is fact, which it certainly is not. That is why I reacted to your statements, an opinion is one thing, but when you post your word as law, then you are wrong.
And you are changing your posts now, you said that you cant keep dbol gains, that was a statement you made, now you are trying to say you never said they work...stick to one thing
You are also taking part of what I said, trying to make it look like I'm saying something other than what I said by taking it out of context. Dbol is the same as other drugs in the way that any mass you gain is your to keep, and it is more anabolic than 75% of the other steroids
Now please show me one person with an outstanding physique, like yourself included, who agrees with your statements about dbol, and how useless it is......it is always guys with very little understanding of steroids and their effects on the body, that make those statements

 

[Sir-Que]

sir-que, I didnt miss anything, you are making sweeping, definitive comments about dbol, implying that your opinion is fact, which it certainly is not. That is why I reacted to your statements, an opinion is one thing, but when you post your word as law, then you are wrong.
And you are changing your posts now, you said that you cant keep dbol gains, that was a statement you made, now you are trying to say you never said they work...stick to one thing
You are also taking part of what I said, trying to make it look like I'm saying something other than what I said by taking it out of context. Dbol is the same as other drugs in the way that any mass you gain is your to keep, and it is more anabolic than 75% of the other steroids
Now please show me one person with an outstanding physique, like yourself included, who agrees with your statements about dbol, and how useless it is......it is always guys with very little understanding of steroids and their effects on the body, that make those statements

I'm not trying to take what you said out of context, but you're taking what I said out of context.......

This was my first post....

“I'd have to agree here, dbols gives you fake gains IMO. That's not to say it's not good to start a cycle if you can't wait for the gear to kick in. But you can't really think you're keepin that stuff cause it't not muscle gains at all.
On a side note: dbols are the main reason we have the "puffball" guys walking around the gym looking like professional "bowlingballers" instead of bodybuilders. “

This is my second......


“And that's what i'm talking about!!.....My comments for the most part were for the people who take dbols and claim to be "up 10 pounds". I hear this all the time on this board, "i'm in my 2th week and UP 15 pounds", "I just hope I can keep all my GAINS".....now you and I know MUSCLE don't grow that fast, so why would a guy want to keep gains from dbol that are obvious, to me anyway, not muscle.

I'd never say there's NO reason for dbols or there's NO use for it, dbols do have their place. But for most I think dbols are used to pack on mass and that doesn't necessarily mean LBM, they just want to see the scale go up.”

^This was the crux of my argument, pain and simple. We can do this all day and at the end, I DON'T LIKE DBOLS. I've used them and I stiil prefer injects over orals for mass, period. Yes mg for mg dbols are more anaolic than most steroids, this is obvious. But i'd take my parabolin over dbols any day of the week.

You can claim dbol success.....But why don't you list the peripherals used in conjunction with dbol as well. Shit I know guys who take whatever they can get their hand on and they're huge, but that don't mean i'd go that route. You claim it's people who have little understanding of steroids who make these statements, but you've said NOT ONE WORD about the "dbols for 30 weeks"?

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[luciano]

very good posts Needsize , u made this tread useful for the readers

 

[needsize]

you said dbol is fake gains, that is my point, there is nothing fake about it, and you have nothing to back that up
as for the 30 weeks, I have nothing on that(although I did run it at 80mg for around 8 weeks, and my blood test still had everything normal), but there was a study about a girl on anadrol. She was on it for medical reasons, and toxic liver problems didnt show up until she had been on for 2 YEARS

 

[slat1]

You got to love a bunch of guys on AAS trying to have an adult level debate! For pure entertainment purposes this has been great.
I will stick with what I wrote earlier in the thread!

 

[pudding]

I would like to jump in here. Even though I stopped a week earlier due to sides of severe lethargy, I fully intend to do another dbol cycle in several weeks. I will change brand and do some other tweaking. I love the gains I established and I have an optimistic attitude about what I will retain.

 

[critical_mass70]

I did a cycle of Dbol and sust for 10 weeks and had good results. It wasn't until I uped my Dbol intake that I got the zitts. I cut it back and they went away. I retained aprox 80% of my gains... thats just me though

 

[idcbp]

Its a new day and this thread continues...LOL

The bottomline is this, the initial statement made by DBBT, was that dbol is not good for LBM gains. Sir Q, not looking for further arguements, but suffice to say that you were agreeing with DBBT as you posted immediately afterward. Thats where you made the fake gains comment. Now, you are saying you meant the water weight, but we all know water weight isn't actual muscle, but it is a tool for building LBM. The thread itself had broken down to a debate over the merits of dbol. The two sides at their core were argueing for or against the use of dbol. In this context, it was clearly stated that dbol produces puffiness and water weight and the gains are not keepable. This is incorrect. The gains and the water are two different things. You keep the muscle gains and drop the water. Now you all are retreating to the safety of offering up the pathetic cases inwhich newbies eat and train for shit, and pack on 15lbs of water while gaining no real muscle and then lose it when they quit cold turkey with no PCT. This is a flawed way to debate the merits of a drug by present a worst case user. No steroid would hold up. Instead, we are offering irrefutable evidence that when used properly it can produce excellent LBM gains. When you gave your experience no one said you were lying, just that your experience wasn't the rule. Why when another side is given, and backed up by pictures, do you doubt it? No hard feeling bro, if it got personal, I apologize. Glad for the debate, but I've had my fill.

 

[Joe Stenson]

Sir-Que, the guys who post saying they gained 15 lbs in 2 weeks and wonder if they can keep all their "gains" are idiots. That doesn't mean the drug is not useful or effective; it just means the people making the claims are not overly intelligent/knowledgeable. Your views would be taken more positively if you focused on the douchebags making the bogus claims, as opposed to trying to say the drug itself gives "fake gains".

 

[Sir-Que]

I have no problems with people who disagree and debate with me over issues. After all that's what we're here for, to exchange ideas, insights, and gain understanding even if we don't agree with each other, and with that I don't take it personal. But it the assumption that I have no understanding of AAS from my deference of that opinion that bothers me.

My initial comments were in response to DBBT's post. The "fake gains" comment was directly pointed to the group of guys who make claims of astronomical gains of dbols, ie 15, 20lbs in weeks, not for the knowledgeable bro's who know better or in general. No I don't think dbols are a useles drug at all nor do I think they have no use in cycles, shit i've used them. But I do think that a lot of newbies here who use dbols have a misunderstanding of it's use. And while the Idcbp's and NeedleSize's of the world may understand proper Clomid, HCG, and general PCT usage to keep gains obviously, that bro that just want to see the scale go up from ANY weight does not. And no matter where you sit in this topic we can all agree that there more than a handful of bro's that no didly about PCT.

At the end of the day I can respect a bro's POV even if it differs from mine. I should have been clearer about my statements before, but I didn't think all this would blow up like it did.

And while we're all arguing over dbols back and forth, everybody trying to make a point, we still have a bro considering doing a 7 month cycle of dbols.

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[needsize]

sir-que, if you had of just phrased it the same as you did in your last post, a lot of the tension on this thread wouldnt have happened. You do have some valid points about guys up 15lbs in 2 weeks thinking its all muscle, that would be a fake gain, but people and myself reacted to the blanket comments that you made about dbol pretty much being pointless

 

[luciano]

something about 7 monts on dbol ....

IT NOT RECOMENDED as everybody knows ,
but reality is some guys do it even longer , some of them do blood tests and theyr almost right and others dont do any test .
Personaly ive never run it more than 4 months but i wouldnt b so scared to do it 7 .
Dosage counts too fcourse
IT VERY PERSONAL TO CROSS THE USUAL LIMITS , anyway take it slowly IMO

btw
if u read carefuly Needsize wrote some interesting stuff at this sbject in his previous posts

 

[slat1]

Four pages in... a few pages later... AND everyone is playing nice. Its funny, if you go back and read the thread you could see where this was going to end up. Sometimes it just takes a couple of days to for everyone to step back and realize that they are in agreement over the basic principles of a thread. Its just that some comments stir the emotions and we tend to focus on those. Its nice to see that we are all adults and can make it through a thread like this without RED karma getting thrown all over. Everyone shared their thoughts, opinions, and experiences and they were respected. Got to love this board!