30 weeks dbol!?!

[slat1]

You can gain and keep muscle from dbol. As mentioned prior I believe the issue is with people who brag that they put on 15lbs of muscle in two weeks. So the issue isn't with dbol... its with people who are not intelligent enough to understand that they gained a ton of water not muscle at that point. Every compound has a practical place in society. Each person responds differently to each compound. To try and label results from a compound broadly would be a mistake. Everyone above has a reason for posting what they did... their own experience.
My experience... I blow up like a mad man on 20ms of dbol for 4 weeks. That can mean 15 to 20 lbs. I don't want to be that guy at the gym that makes that transformation that fast. I am also cautious about the strength coming on that fast. Injuries happen and I don't like set backs. So, for the most part, I avoid dbol.

 

[Aquest]

That's fine......don't tell me WHO.

but WHY did they do it?




DIV

misunderstanding, somebody thought i said something i didnt about some autistic guy pulling his cock out in a public gym, just stupid shit, and they all jumped at the chance to give red karma, ooooohhh.....and it just hurt so much

 

[idcbp]

Relax, Relax bro.......

Take an valium....

I think most of the gains from D-bol initially are from the water retention in the muscle bellies and joints, which allow more leverage, and more weight to be lifted. After cessation of D-bol, much of this water retention is expelled and the leverage which was once favorable is not nearly as much, not so say there's NO GAINS from D-bol, but I wouldn't expect significant LBM gains from a D-bol only cycle.

Hope that clears it up on my end.




DIV

My bad if I came across too harsh. It was more the other bro who admitted he was a newbie and is basically telling me dbol gains are fake when I can look in the mirror, or at other bros and see the results. In responding to you, I was more just trying to get you to see where I was coming from. I see what you're saying Div, but I gotta tell you that my experience has been much different. Currently, I'm cutting with dbol. I am taking 2.5mg of femara and 20mg of Nolv. daily and am holding very little water. My gain are from the extreme effect dbol has on protein synthesis and its unreal ability to prevent any muscle wasting on a harsh carb restricting low cal diet. Its my first time cutting via dbol and I'm amazed. I have dropped 3 inches off my waist in the past 5 weeks and my weight has remained static. The waist measuremnt will probably be even more pronounced when the little water I'm holding is dropped, but again its not much. The water gains initially seen are only aids and are not real growth, I'm with you on that, but there's much more to dbol. It turns your body into a prime environment for muscle growth. For me strength is really just a by-product. I guess I get jumpy b/c its like people are talking bad about my best friend here LOL who's helped me bulk and now is showing he can cut with the best of em. As I said, never meant to come across as a flame or antagonistic, if it did I apologize. H

 

[luciano]

i want to comment this statement that can b seen here very often :
DONT XPECT TO MUCH LBM FROM DBOL

if u undestand from this that dbol is not effective or it is inferior to other steroids IMO this is : BIG MISTAKE


dbol does a lot by itself but of course if u stack it with other shit , test and deca and ... there ll b obviously more gains

fact is for me and many others dbol is one of the few steroids who can be used alone and provides enough gains 2 b pleased by the rythm of the progress, not too slow not too fast , anyway i dont believe in fast gains, i rather believe in genetic and smart training to make the difference

 

[pudding]

I ended my dbol cycle today. I cut it a week short. Gains and power were excellent, but afternoon lethargy was killing me. The lower back pumps hurt, but I could handle that. I will now see what gains I get to keep.

 

[needsize]

I cant believe some of the absolute verbal diarhea I'm reading in this post
Dbol is the same as any other steroid out there, any mass you gain from it is your mass to keep, and you piss out any water you gain....well guess what, its the same with EVERY OTHER STEROID OUT THERE, AND DBOL IS NO DIFFERENT OTHER THAN THE FACT IT IS ORAL.......
The more anabolic a drug is, the the more positive its effect on your nitrogen retention, which means the more it helps you build MUSCLE MASS...and dbol ranks about a 8 or 9 out of 10 on just about every anabolic tanking chart, which is higher than most other steroids, other than ones like test and deca, way higher than ones like primo, winny, etc.
So anyone who says that you dont keep your gains from it, needs to stop circulating the old wives tales that are told around the gym, and learn something about steroids! If you learned everything you know about steroids either from the gym, or from your mom, maybe you shouldnt be giving advice on an anabolic board.
In 3.5 years, I've gone from 180-260 solid pounds(at 5'8"), and I absolutely swear by dbol for a large part of those gains. So those that swear you dont keep anything, lets see your pics, and we can compare what you have kept from other drugs, to what I have or have not kept from drugs like dbol! And especially to Sir-Que, who made the comment about dbol being responsible for the puffballs walking around the gym that look nothing like bodybuilders......lets see the pics then, of what a bodybuilder should look like, then compared to me, because apparently that must be all I am with my dbol gains

 

[needsize]

one last thing...it is an oral, so what??? Those that talk about how bad orals are for you, where is your research to back that up? I have my own...all my blood tests, ecg for my heart, etc, that show NOTHING of mine has ever moved out of the normal range...despite running doses that most would consider to be nuts
And yes, that research pertains to only me, and everyone is different, but I have yet to see any solid research or proof that shows anything to the contrary, other than all those old wives tales again

 

[Sir-Que]

I don't think a statement could piss me off more than the incredible stupid and incorrect one made by Sir Q, an admitted newbie, that dbol gains are fake. I guess when I look in the mirror I'm hallucinating when I see my body. Right bro? Water weight is water weight and its gained with alomst and androgen. It helps build muscle and limits injuries. It can cause a bloated look, but that can be remedied during the cycle with anti-estros, or simply goes away post cycle with the cessation of andros. The muscle built during this process is still there. There is NO SUCH THING AS FAKE MUSCLE! Thats absurd. I guess Needsize swears by dbol b/c it gives him fake gains too! What a load of bullshit. Have you ever even used dbol? Otherwise, quit parroting what you hear other clueless posters polluting this board with. DBBT, if you've used dbol and don't like the estro effects, I can dig that, but I've always thought you knew a thing or two. You're telling me you beleive in the myth of fake gains? Muscle is muscle. Once you have it you lose it if you don't maintain the proper environment post cyle in your body. I have kept my dbol gains and I know tons of other who have as well. That means you can say you didn't keep you gains, an so can Division, and to that I'd say I'm surprised b/c you both are knowledgable and know PCT and post cycle dynamics (in fact I'd ask you bros to give it another shot), but I don't see how you guys can try to say that dbol gains for everyone are unkeepable when there are so many bros who have seen great gains and kept them. Not flaming, just surprised to see such broad generalizations from guys I know are in touch with alot of bros juicing so you must know some who have succesfully utilized dbol.

:First the Newbie comment was a sarcastic statement.

:Secondly I don't care what Needlesize says, Que don't follow anybody, period. And if you've actually been around this forum you'd know that there are more than a handful of bro's that don't care for dbols.

:Thirdly if you read this thread in entirety you'd understand my point.

:I'm not backing off my statement bro, grown men who have their own experiences take thier own judgment.

SQ-

 

[nutsnack]

seems like i started some sort of Ji-had.. i was just really looking for advice on a cycle!

 

[idcbp]

:First the Newbie comment was a sarcastic statement.

:Secondly I don't care what Needlesize says, Que don't follow anybody, period. And if you've actually been around this forum you'd know that there are more than a handful of bro's that don't care for dbols.

:Thirdly if you read this thread in entirety you'd understand my point.

:I'm not backing off my statement bro, grown men who have their own experiences take thier own judgment.

SQ-

You can stand by your statement, but its ignorant. So what if there are bros who don't care for dbols? Its not what needsize says, its what he shows. You are saying dbol gains can't be kept and that they result in puff-upped guys in the gym. He uses dbol heavily and his avatar says it all. WHere's the loss of size, where's the puffiness. You're posting opinions, he's posting a picture. Say it doesn't work for you, say it doesn't work for some guys you know, say you get puffy and so do other guys you know BUT DON'T MAKE THE STUPID STATEMENT THAT IT DOESN'T WORK WHEN BROS PROVE IT DOES. IT DOESN'T WORK FOR YOU! You've got a guy posting awsome size and definition and he attributes these gains in part to dbol. They are solid and well kept. So while you try to hide behind whacked out comments like Q don't listen to nobody, take a second and realize maybe you should. Is he lying about the source of his gains or his experiences with dbol? Is this some huge conspiracy to promote dbol? You're not a newbie, you are a closed minded guy who "don't listen to nobody" and it shows.