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3 NYPD detectives acquitted in 50-shot killing

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By TOM HAYS, Associated Press Writer
2 minutes ago



NEW YORK - Three detectives were acquitted of all charges Friday in the 50-shot killing of an unarmed groom-to-be on his wedding day, a case that put the NYPD at the center of another dispute involving allegations of excessive firepower.


Scores of police officers surrounded the courthouse to guard against potential chaos, and as news of the verdict spread, many in the crowd began weeping. Others were enraged, swearing and screaming "Murderers! Murderers!" or "KKK!"

Inside the courtroom, spectators gasped. Sean Bell's fiancee immediately walked out of the room; his mother cried.

Bell, a 23-year-old black man, was killed in a hail of gunfire outside a seedy strip club in Queens on Nov. 25, 2006 as he was leaving his bachelor party with two friends. The case ignited the emotions of people across the city and led to widespread protests among those who felt the officers used unnecessary force.

Officers Michael Oliver, 36, and Gescard Isnora, 29, stood trial for manslaughter while Officer Marc Cooper, 40, was charged with reckless endangerment. Two other shooters weren't charged. Oliver squeezed off 31 shots; Isnora fired 11 rounds; and Cooper shot four times.

The case brought back painful memories of other NYPD shootings, such as the 1999 shooting of Amadou Diallo — an African immigrant who was gunned down in a hail of 41 bullets by police officers who mistook his wallet for a gun. The acquittal of the officers in that case created a storm of protest, with hundreds arrested after taking to the streets in demonstration.

Though emotions ran high, there were no immediate problems outside the courthouse Friday, where many wore buttons with Bell's picture or held signs saying "Justice for Sean Bell." Some people approached police after the verdict was read, but they were held back and the jostling died down quickly.

William Hardgraves, 48, an electrician from Harlem, brought his 12-year-old son and 23-year-old daughter to hear the verdict. "It could have been my son, it could have been my daughter" shot like Bell that night, he said.

He didn't know what result he had expected.

"I hoped it would be different this time. They shot him 50 times," Hardgraves said. "But of course, it wasn't."

Justice Arthur Cooperman delivered the verdict in a packed Queens courtroom. The officers, complaining that pretrial publicity had unfairly painted them as cold-blooded killers, opted to have the judge decide the case rather than a jury.

Cooperman indicated that the police officers' version of events was more credible than the victims' version. "The people have not proved beyond a reasonable doubt that each defendant was not justified" in firing, he said.

The nearly two-month trial was marked by deeply divergent accounts of the night.

The defense painted the victims as drunken thugs who the officers believed were armed and dangerous. Prosecutors sought to convince the judge that the victims had been minding their own business, and that the officers were inept, trigger-happy aggressors.

None of the officers took the witness stand in his own defense. Instead, Cooperman heard transcripts of the officers testifying before a grand jury, saying they believed they had good reason to use deadly force. The judge also heard testimony from Bell's two injured companions, who insisted the maelstrom erupted without warning.

Both sides were consistent on one point: The utter chaos surrounding the last moments of Bell's life.

"It happened so quick," Isnora said in his grand jury testimony. "It was like the last thing I ever wanted to do."

Bell's companions — Trent Benefield and Joseph Guzman — also offered dramatic testimony about the episode. Benefield and Guzman were both wounded; Guzman still has four bullets lodged in his body.

Referring to Isnora, Guzman said, "This dude is shooting like he's crazy, like he's out of his mind."

The victims and shooters were set on a fateful collision course by a pair of innocuous decisions: Bell's to have a last-minute bachelor party at Kalua Cabaret, and the undercover detectives' to investigate reports of prostitution at the club.

As the club closed around 4 a.m., Sanchez and Isnora claimed they overheard Bell and his friends first flirt with women, then taunt a stranger who responded by putting his right hand in his pocket as if he had a gun. Guzman, they testified, said, "Yo, go get my gun" — something Bell's friends denied.

Isnora said he decided to arm himself, call for backup — "It's getting hot," he told his supervisor — and tail Bell, Guzman and Benefield as they went around the corner and got into Bell's car. He claimed that after warning the men to halt, Bell pulled away, bumped him and rammed an unmarked police van that converged on the scene with Oliver at the wheel.

The detective also alleged that Guzman made a sudden move as if he were reaching for a gun.

"I yelled 'Gun!' and fired," he said. "In my mind, I knew (Guzman) had a gun."

Benefield and Guzman testified that there were no orders. Instead, Guzman said, Isnora "appeared out of nowhere" with a gun drawn and shot him in the shoulder — the first of 16 shots to enter his body.

"That's all there was — gunfire," he said. "There wasn't nothing else."

With tires screeching, glass breaking and bullets flying, the officers claimed that they believed they were the ones under fire. Oliver responded by emptying his semiautomatic pistol, reloading, and emptying it again, as the supervisor sought cover.

The truth emerged when the smoke cleared: There was no weapon inside Bell's blood-splattered car.



:lmao: @ Al Sharpton
 
No shock there.
 
It was excessive force, but the second that van was used as a weapon, the police were ok to respond with their weapons. I don't think 2 full clips was necessary from the one officer. That's a lot of bullets.
 
jnevin said:
It was excessive force, but the second that van was used as a weapon, the police were ok to respond with their weapons. I don't think 2 full clips was necessary from the one officer. That's a lot of bullets.

Cops are known to be the worst shooters. Most couldnt hit a watermellon at 6' with a single shot.
 
the guy "thought" he heard someone say "go get my gun"......yet he didn't actually see a gun, nor did he really see anything which would make him tail these guys in the first place. Police officers are becoming more and more incompetent by the year. They were there to check for prostitution......they happened to over hear your average run of the mill, sorry I have to say this......but your average run of the mill typical nigger bullshit. If you're a cop though, you have to be able to see what's "posturing" and what's "real". You have to see a mother fucking gun before you pull your own gun. All the asshole did was escalate a situation he needn't be involved with in the first place.......the men were heading AWAY from the scene. It's one thing to stand watch if they come back and to call for backup........but otherwise, what they did was not prudent in the slightest. And something smells funny about one of the officers firing what, 30-40 shots?? You'd think after not receiving any return fire after the first 15-20, you'd chill the fuck out behind some cover and assess the situation.

One of these days black people are gonna have enough........and cops driving through a neighborhood is gonna look like the Army Rangers driving through mogadishu in Black hawk down..........cause people are just going to hang out their window and drop lead on em. And it's getting to the point where I say "go for it". It would be one thing if police depts. actually held their officers responsible for incompetence at least "every once inawhile".........but these guys in the above case should be security guards, all bullshit aside. It's quite apparent they just don't cut it.......they don't have what it takes to be police officers. Or at the very least, if they're decent investigators, they shouldn't be allowed to carry weapons......and if they're going somewhere hot, they get the real grown ass men to escort them........like little bitches...........but so be it.
 
manny78 said:
Cops are known to be the worst shooters. Most couldnt hit a watermellon at 6' with a single shot.

Hence why the UK won't arm all of their officers.

Proposed fire arms training and skill maintenance are a joke.

& +2
 
jnevin said:
Two of the cops are black.
Who said anything about race besides you?
 
I may be mistaken.......but the two officers who initiated the confrontation are not black. One of them looks latino or some meditterranean whatever. Bottom line, they completely and utterly misjudged a situation because they're not from that background.
 
redsamurai said:
I may be mistaken.......but the two officers who initiated the confrontation are not black. One of them looks latino or some meditterranean whatever. Bottom line, they completely and utterly misjudged a situation because they're not from that background.

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Dial_tone said:


the guy on the far right is Oliver right? Which one is Isnora? I was under the impression that the two black guys were the backup......Oliver, the far right one who looks like enrique iglesias, is the one who followed the guys and the one who ended up reloading his clip what....3 times??
 
manny78 said:
Cops are known to be the worst shooters. Most couldnt hit a watermellon at 6' with a single shot.

That's no lie. I haven't met many that could shoot worth a damn.

I've even run through their qualification practice and outshot every one of them when I was on the western slope. Now I am a decent shooter, but I have a lot to learn and a lot of skill to gain. The level of most officers' shooting (that I have met and shot with) is well below what I would expect. Especially since they get to carry weapons every day and into very stressful situations. Adrenaline does funny things to you. Shooting should be second nature for them.
 
jnevin said:
Two of the cops are black.

That's why I was laughing at people shouting "KKK"!

HA HA HA!

And douchebag citizens think if the PD just hired blacks, police brutality would go away. Yeah Right! OWNED!

Hiring black officers in black neighborhoods is great for PD's. They can allow them to do anything, and PD's can get away with it (read above). If they're white - it becomes a Rodney King media scandal. PD's have taken notes from that case, and strategically hire now based upon race.

I hope the citizens are happy with what they wished for ("Less white racist officers!") hahaha.

r
 
swing low, sweet chariot...............


seriously, in the ghetto at the early morn hours and drunk thugs in a car. my gun would have been ready to roll too.

those who have only seen the nyc ghetto from a tv or movie cameras view need to realize what its like in these neighborhoods for the nypd. its never an easy decision but whose safety comes first? self or possible gangbanger with automatic weapons in the back seat with NOTHING to live for?
 
redsamurai said:
the guy on the far right is Oliver right? Which one is Isnora? I was under the impression that the two black guys were the backup......Oliver, the far right one who looks like enrique iglesias, is the one who followed the guys and the one who ended up reloading his clip what....3 times??


Twice.

But seriously he didn't use a clip. He had high cap magazines. :qt: :qt:
 
redsamurai said:
last I heard cops weren't allowed high caps........when did that change?

They can. There's an exemption in the law for LEO. I used to sell hi-caps for SIG 552 to some US PDs 3-4 years ago.
 
manny78 said:
They can. There's an exemption in the law for LEO. I used to sell hi-caps for SIG 552 to some US PDs 3-4 years ago.


what state? When I was in CJ back in Ohio cops were not allowed to carry high caps........they did anyway as backups, but "technically" they were not allowed. Even if the high cap saved their lives, if they were involved in a shooting and found to have used a high cap......they were in big trouble.
 
redsamurai said:
last I heard cops weren't allowed high caps........when did that change?

I have 13 rd mags for my XD-45, a pos 10 rd mag for my 1911 and 6, 30 rd mags for my AR.

Why wouldn't LEO be allowed high caps? They are the ones who need them the most. From this story, they need more training. But I assume adrenaline got in the way.

I was hunting deer one season, late in the day, tired and on the way home. Came up on a nice buck hunkered down. I got off three shots, from a bolt action .270 when he started to run and I only remember the first shot. It was a nice, tight group though. adrenaline is a bitch to contain.
 
I t appears you guys are not seeing what really happened. he was at a strip club at zero dark thirty and was told to stop by poilce. he refused someone thought he saw a weapon then raming with vehicles happened and all shit broke loose.

Guess what, nothing good happens after 0000 ever heard that, yea your all going to say that gives them no right. Guess what I have never been close to shit like that happening, you know why!!! I don't hang in shit hole vice areas.

You run with the dogs you get hair on you end of story.., Oh and I dont give a shit if he was a future groom thats just pitting buying shit. He made a bad judgement and payed for it.

Untill you change the way you live and how you make decisions you will always be in a bad way.
 
Sean Scott said:
I t appears you guys are not seeing what really happened. he was at a strip club at zero dark thirty and was told to stop by poilce. he refused someone thought he saw a weapon then raming with vehicles happened and all shit broke loose.
Another way of looking at it is - guns were pulled in a bad neighborhood by people who weren't dressed as cops and didn't clearly identify themselves as cops. They figured they were about to be robbed and tried to bolt. A cop happened to be in front of the car.
 
LOL @ the people that were not involved in this but are armchair judges. Granted 50 shots is a bit much but when dealing with thugs on a daily basis and ese these guys who were thought to be thugs can be stressful and cause an over reaction.
I feel for the bride and the family.
I bet they get paid on the civil side.

What were they called out there for to begin with?
 
Pat_McCrotch said:
LOL @ the people that were not involved in this but are armchair judges. Granted 50 shots is a bit much but when dealing with thugs on a daily basis and ese these guys who were thought to be thugs can be stressful and cause an over reaction.
I feel for the bride and the family.
I bet they get paid on the civil side.

What were they called out there for to begin with?


It was under surveilance because it was a suspected fron for a drug, gun, and prostitution ring. So yeah, running guns through a place and a bunch of thugs acting like they're gonna fuck shit up after drinking until 4:00 a.m. probably got the cops a little on the defensive.
 
Is that part of Queens really that crime ridden? My experience is that part of Brooklyn , Jamaica and South Bronx are alot worse. My only issue here is black people being scared of other black people. I just wish we gave each other the benefit of the doubt instead of being fearful of each other. Take these guys, make them a policeman and give them weapons... The problem may be swept under a rug but obviously came out with the bullets....

Don't really know what to say. Race isn't an issue. You have more conservative blacks and then you have more liberal blacks and they don't think alike.
 
gjohnson5 said:
Is that part of Queens really that crime ridden? My experience is that part of Brooklyn , Jamaica and South Bronx are alot worse. My only issue here is black people being scared of other black people. I just wish we gave each other the benefit of the doubt instead of being fearful of each other. Take these guys, make them a policeman and give them weapons... The problem may be swept under a rug but obviously came out with the bullets....

Don't really know what to say. Race isn't an issue. You have more conservative blacks and then you have more liberal blacks and they don't think alike.

I was just talking to Bret Michaels, Kip Winger, Dio, Dave Mustaine and Gary Coleman and we all agreed ...

We can't wait til a black male (who do nothing but try to live up those stereotypes!) is gunned down by a hispanic police officer. And blacks riot in the streets, calling the hispanic officer "KKK" and "racist" and other stupid shit.

And hispanics, pissed off, riot in the streets calling the victim "Gangbanger drug dealing piece of shit". Defending their cop. A race riot ensues.

And the rest of us - we just kick back our feet and laugh at stupid race-card playing idiots in this country getting exactly what they deserve.

As Whitey leaves town - interesting times await.. :)

r
 
The initial catalyst for this fiasco was the war on prostitution if I read correctly. Men shot dead and a city in chaos all because sex between consenting adults becomes a crime when money changes hands.
 
the real question is why it always the issue of the blacks against the police
the mexicans are going to 'pass them by' in importance
then we won't be treated to this crap
 
I've got to admit, I tend to be suspicious of police and suspicious of people in authority. I don't understand why anyone would want to risk their necks, police or otherwise, over stopping people from getting laid.
 
The real question is vice versa. Do black police have a negative perspective of other black folks in the community? If blacks in a community hate the police , well they just can't turn around and unload a high cap mag whereas the police can... And be acquitted of it. Nothing that can be said 'cept "it sucks to be you"

Spartacus said:
the real question is why it always the issue of the blacks against the police
the mexicans are going to 'pass them by' in importance
then we won't be treated to this crap
 
Yeah , people were definitely ready to jump if the police officers would have been something other then blacks. I agree (and I'm guilty of this too) is pointing the finger too quickly and being too judgemental

Razorguns said:
I was just talking to Bret Michaels, Kip Winger, Dio, Dave Mustaine and Gary Coleman and we all agreed ...

We can't wait til a black male (who do nothing but try to live up those stereotypes!) is gunned down by a hispanic police officer. And blacks riot in the streets, calling the hispanic officer "KKK" and "racist" and other stupid shit.

And hispanics, pissed off, riot in the streets calling the victim "Gangbanger drug dealing piece of shit". Defending their cop. A race riot ensues.

And the rest of us - we just kick back our feet and laugh at stupid race-card playing idiots in this country getting exactly what they deserve.

As Whitey leaves town - interesting times await.. :)

r
 
From what I observe about people developing stereotypes, it doesn't matter from what race the believer of the stereotype belongs to. To make my point concrete: Black cops will have similar prejudgements of potential perpetrators that white cops have. The nature of the stereotype is law enforcement viewing black men leaving the skanky strip bar, not 'another brother' leaving the skanky strip bar. It's a case of 'we're the good guys (black cops) vs. the bad guys (guys leaving the bar)'.

When I spent much time with two black girls from a lower middle class-upper lower class neighborhood I was amazed at all of the stereotypes they had about other blacks. They even substratified black stereotypes into categories based on country of origin ie. Haitians are like this... West Indians are like this... Jamaicans are like this...
 
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