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Catman22

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Hi Guys,

I have been doing some research on this site and others, I have also been private messaging some experienced users. After all this I have finally decided on the following cycle which I will be starting on the 17th of this month.

Just a bit about me I am a semi pro rugby player and I am 23 years old. I have been training solidly since I was around 16, I train well and have a good diet and have consistently increased my weight, strength and muscle def over the years I have run one cycle previously, an anavar only cycle which I ran for 6 weeks with good results.

I am currently 5'10, 220lbs and around the 17% bf mark.

My current PBs are:
Dead lift - 465lbs x 5reps
Weighted Pull ups - +40lbs x 7 reps
Bench Press - 290lbs x 5 reps
Standing Military Press - 168lbs x 6 reps
Squat - 400lbs x 4reps

For my 2nd cycle I am going to run the following:

Weeks 1-8 - 100mg anavar ED
Weeks 1-8 - 150mg test prop EOD
Weeks 1-8 - N2Guard 7caps ED
Weeks 4-13 - HCGenerate 5caps ED
Weeks 9-10 - 500iu hcg Pregnyl ED for 10 days
Weeks 9-13 - 50mg Clomid ED

My goals for this cycle are:
1. Gain 5-10lbs overall
2. Lose 5% bodyfat (meaning I would have to lose around 20lbs bf, and gain 25-30lbs muscle, possible?)
3. Increse strength
4. Increase explosive power and speed
5. Increase Muscular endurance.


These are my goals and I will be logging my thoughts, feelings, improvements and any sides that I may encounter over the 8 weeks of my cycle.

Any thoughts, advice questions please post and I will reply to you as soon as possible.


Happy new year all and thanks in advance
 
I am not looking to take anything other than the var and test prop really,
I like the fact that they will both be out of my system fairly quickly which will lessen the chances of getting tested post cycle.
In terms of primo, I am mainly doing this cycle for the strength and lean mass gain rather than aesthetics, so not too bothered with taking a hardener.
What PCT have you run on this cycle in the past, did you get any sides?
Cheers
 
Catman22 said:
I am not looking to take anything other than the var and test prop really,
I like the fact that they will both be out of my system fairly quickly which will lessen the chances of getting tested post cycle.
In terms of primo, I am mainly doing this cycle for the strength and lean mass gain rather than aesthetics, so not too bothered with taking a hardener.
What PCT have you run on this cycle in the past, did you get any sides?
Cheers
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Test Prop and Var is perfectly fine and will get you to your goals.
PCT: hcg 500iu wk last few weeks of cycle w adex then nolva, hcgenerate, daa
Either way pct sucks and your body will come back naturally after a while
 
Has anybody else been on a cycle similar to this?
If so what sides if any did you get?
How were your results, and did you keep them?
Do you think my goals are unrealistic?

Cheers
 
Just to let you all know that the cycle will be starting tomorrow and I will be writing regular updates noting the following:
Strength increase,
Changes in mood,
Changes in bodyfat,
Any sides I may be experiencing.
I will be taking some pictures today, I will also take some pictures at the end of week 4, the end of week 8 and the end of PCT. I have not decided if I will post them or not yet but will be good to see the difference.
As always any advice, questions or criticism will be greatly appreciated and I will respond to it all.
Cheers
 
Hi all,

Just an update, today I have taken my 1st 50mg tab of var first thing this morning, and I have just 2 minutes ago completed my 1st ASS injection, 150mg of test prop in the glute, it went pretty smoothly, although I was nervous to be honest, not too painful at all and I am now looking forward to the next 8 weeks and seeing where this cycle will take me!

Just one question really, I probably should have asked this much earlier on, but does anyone have any advice on when is best to jab prop? I.e. is it better to jab 1st thing in the morning, before workout, after workout, or does it make no difference at all?

Wish me luck and I will keep you all posted,
Cheers
 
Cheers for the support guys,

Just an update, last night after about 5-6 hours from my 1st injection I started getting some discomfort on my glute. Like a numb ache, feels almost like a dead leg but in the glute.
I'm guessing this is the prop pain that I have heard about, anyway it is pretty tender today, and just generally uncomfortable, which has helped me make my mind up that I will be shooting after my weights sessions, as I do not want this pain to disrupt my lifting in anyway.
I have also read that this pain varries from brand to brand and also can die down over the length of the course, I hope this is the case and I will keep you posted.
I am not expecting to feel any great changes in this first week or so, but again I will keep you posted, I may have some improvements in stength by Friday.

Cheers
 
Pain update...
Last evening I felt pretty bad, I had a headache, my joints were a bit achey, it kinda felt like I was coming down with something.
I thought this may have been the first signes of test flu? My glute was very sore too and it was painfull to sit and move fully.
I did a light training session as was in my plan anyway, as I did not feel bad enough not too and by the end of the evening I felt a lot better.
This morning I feel better again and the pain in the glute is now down to a dull discomfort.
I will be taking my 2nd injection today and hopefully it will not cause as much dicomfort as the 1st, fingers crossed.

Cheers
 
Catman22 said:
Hi Guys,

I have been doing some research on this site and others, I have also been private messaging some experienced users. After all this I have finally decided on the following cycle which I will be starting on the 17th of this month.

Just a bit about me I am a semi pro rugby player and I am 23 years old. I have been training solidly since I was around 16, I train well and have a good diet and have consistently increased my weight, strength and muscle def over the years I have run one cycle previously, an anavar only cycle which I ran for 6 weeks with good results.

I am currently 5'10, 220lbs and around the 17% bf mark.

My current PBs are:
Dead lift - 465lbs x 5reps
Weighted Pull ups - +40lbs x 7 reps
Bench Press - 290lbs x 5 reps
Standing Military Press - 168lbs x 6 reps
Squat - 400lbs x 4reps

For my 2nd cycle I am going to run the following:

Weeks 1-8 - 100mg anavar ED
Weeks 1-8 - 150mg test prop EOD
Weeks 1-8 - N2Guard 7caps ED
Weeks 4-13 - HCGenerate 5caps ED
Weeks 9-10 - 500iu hcg Pregnyl ED for 10 days
Weeks 9-13 - 50mg Clomid ED

My goals for this cycle are:
1. Gain 5-10lbs overall
2. Lose 5% bodyfat (meaning I would have to lose around 20lbs bf, and gain 25-30lbs muscle, possible?)
3. Increse strength
4. Increase explosive power and speed
5. Increase Muscular endurance.


These are my goals and I will be logging my thoughts, feelings, improvements and any sides that I may encounter over the 8 weeks of my cycle.

Any thoughts, advice questions please post and I will reply to you as soon as possible.


Happy new year all and thanks in advance
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1-8 var 100mg ed
1-8 test prop 100mg every day
4-8 hcgenerate 4 caps a day
1-8 n2guard 7 caps a day
2-8 hcg 250ius twice a week.
8-12 clomid 25mg ed
8-unleashed and post cycle 3 caps of each every day


then you can follow up pct with some gear or even sarms then gear. You want to run the hcg and or hcgenerate during the cycle not during pct bro.

The cycle will be fine and maybe a little estrogen sides so keep something like forma-stanzol on had for that or letro just in case. You may get some painful pumps but nothing a little Taurine cant fix.


Taurine supplementation= Better Ion Flux, Nutrient-Gated Transport which= momentary better blood volume regulation

Taurine supplementation= decreased Epinephrine which= decreased blood pressure

Taurine supplementation= Better Gas exchange

In studies taurine keeps potassium and magnesium inside the cell while keeping excessive sodium out Because it aids the movement
of potassium, sodium, and calcium in and out of the cell..

Keep in mind that studies have shown that after a work out skeletal muscles taurine concentration are greatly Decreased.

1.Decreased taurine concentration in skeletal muscles after exercise for various durations.
Matsuzaki Y, Miyazaki T, Miyakawa S, Bouscarel B, Ikegami T, Tanaka N.
2.Taurine induces anti-anxiety by activating strychnine-sensitive glycine receptor in vivo.
Zhang CG, Kim SJ.
3.Role of taurine supplementation to prevent exercise-induced oxidative stress in healthy young men.
Zhang M, Izumi I, Kagamimori S, Sokejima S, Yamagami T, Liu Z, Qi B.
4.Effects of taurine administration in rat skeletal muscles on exercise.
Yatabe Y, Miyakawa S, Miyazaki T, Matsuzaki Y, Ochiai N.
5.Enhanced dystrophic progression in mdx mice by exercise and beneficial effects of taurine and insulin-like growth factor-1.
De Luca A, Pierno S, Liantonio A, Cetrone M, Camerino C, Fraysse B, Mirabella M, Servidei S, R?egg UT, Conte Camerino D.
 
needtogetaas said:
1-8 var 100mg ed
1-8 test prop 100mg every day
4-8 hcgenerate 4 caps a day
1-8 n2guard 7 caps a day
2-8 hcg 250ius twice a week.
8-12 clomid 25mg ed
8-unleashed and post cycle 3 caps of each every day


then you can follow up pct with some gear or even sarms then gear. You want to run the hcg and or hcgenerate during the cycle not during pct bro.

The cycle will be fine and maybe a little estrogen sides so keep something like forma-stanzol on had for that or letro just in case. You may get some painful pumps but nothing a little Taurine cant fix.


I have plenty of Taurine on hand need2, I also have 2 tubs of HCGenerate, so would it not be worth running it into PCT too as an added natural test booster? I also have a spare tub of Bridge on hand.

Should I not run HCG into the PCT at all? seeing as I have 5000iu on hand and running 500iu a week for 7 weeks would only use 3500iu? I will look into getting som unleashed and post cycle.

Thanks for the advice,
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To answer your other question I like to pin the area i'm going to train ,so if i do shoulders then its Delt Shot ,The movements help break up the oil and minimize soreness,also add some Forged Burner 1 hr before training to rev things up.
 
RADAR said:
To answer your other question I like to pin the area i'm going to train ,so if i do shoulders then its Delt Shot ,The movements help break up the oil and minimize soreness,also add some Forged Burner 1 hr before training to rev things up.
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Thanks very much Radar,
Will give that a try over the next few weeks.
Cheers
 
UPDATE!

Feeling really good today, the site of my 2nd jab (left glute) is nowhere near as sore as the site of my 1st injection (right glute) was 24hours further on, which I think is a good sign that I will get used to the jabs and eventually they will cause me little to no discomfort.

I am also feeling pretty hard all round and have no aches and pains from yesterdays workout at all, I am usually slightly stiff the day aftger but not today.

I am looking forward to training hard tomorrow to see if I have gotten any stronger over 5 days, I am not expecting much but if there are signs I will be happy, otherwise I will expect to see some decent improvements by monday which is my heavy day.

Will keep you posted guys,
Cheers
 
Hi all,

Just an update after my most recent training session, I felt great in the gym today, lifting strong and much heavier than I expected to.
I added 35lbs to my 10 rep squat from last week and 20lbs to my 10 rep bench press, I hope this is just the begining and I will really be able to shift some weight on my heavy day (Monday)
I am just about to do my 3rd jab of the course, which will be in my right quad... Wish me luck

Cheers
 
Pain Update!

24hours after my 3rd jab and I am in real discomfort in my right quad.
I'm not sure if that is beacuse of the location or not, has anyone else struggled with prop jabs in certain muscles?

Cheers
 
Strength UPDATE!

So today was heavy day again, and from last week I added 22lbs to my squat and another rep too, going from 396lbs x 4 to 418lbs x 5 which I was very happy with!
I also added 22lbs to my deadlift and 16lbs to my bench press.
Overall I am very happy with this strength increase and I am feeling great (apart from a bit prop pain in my quads).
I have also gained 5lbs since last week and I am up to 220lbs now, I think this gain is almost 100% muscle as I am feeling and looking leaner if anything.

So only good news today, hopefully these results will continue for the next 7 weeks and I will be where I want to be by then!

As always if anyone has any questions, advice or criticism please feel free to leave it on here and I will get back to you ASAP.

Cheers
 
UPDATE:

Yesterday evening I did my 1st ever delt injection, it went pretty smoothly to be fair, I found it hard to pull back the plunger with the use of just one hand and pulled out the needle a bit slowly but apart from that all good.
I also have found that the pain from this jab is the least I have had so far, the worst being my left quad.
Is 6 injection sites enough to use throughout the cycle? Both Glutes, Both Quads and Both Delts? Or are there any other suggestions?
I trained twice today, one strength session and one conditioning, I felt great in both, this cycle really seems to be carrying some momentum now and I hope it continues this way, smashing PBs every gym visit!!!

Cheers
 
needtogetaas said:
1-8 var 100mg ed
1-8 test prop 100mg every day
4-8 hcgenerate 4 caps a day
1-8 n2guard 7 caps a day
2-8 hcg 250ius twice a week.
8-12 clomid 25mg ed
8-unleashed and post cycle 3 caps of each every day


then you can follow up pct with some gear or even sarms then gear. You want to run the hcg and or hcgenerate during the cycle not during pct bro.

The cycle will be fine and maybe a little estrogen sides so keep something like forma-stanzol on had for that or letro just in case. You may get some painful pumps but nothing a little Taurine cant fix.


Taurine supplementation= Better Ion Flux, Nutrient-Gated Transport which= momentary better blood volume regulation

Taurine supplementation= decreased Epinephrine which= decreased blood pressure

Taurine supplementation= Better Gas exchange

In studies taurine keeps potassium and magnesium inside the cell while keeping excessive sodium out Because it aids the movement
of potassium, sodium, and calcium in and out of the cell..

Keep in mind that studies have shown that after a work out skeletal muscles taurine concentration are greatly Decreased.

1.Decreased taurine concentration in skeletal muscles after exercise for various durations.
Matsuzaki Y, Miyazaki T, Miyakawa S, Bouscarel B, Ikegami T, Tanaka N.
2.Taurine induces anti-anxiety by activating strychnine-sensitive glycine receptor in vivo.
Zhang CG, Kim SJ.
3.Role of taurine supplementation to prevent exercise-induced oxidative stress in healthy young men.
Zhang M, Izumi I, Kagamimori S, Sokejima S, Yamagami T, Liu Z, Qi B.
4.Effects of taurine administration in rat skeletal muscles on exercise.
Yatabe Y, Miyakawa S, Miyazaki T, Matsuzaki Y, Ochiai N.
5.Enhanced dystrophic progression in mdx mice by exercise and beneficial effects of taurine and insulin-like growth factor-1.
De Luca A, Pierno S, Liantonio A, Cetrone M, Camerino C, Fraysse B, Mirabella M, Servidei S, R?egg UT, Conte Camerino D.
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Hi Need2,
Just to check on this, shall I run the clomid on my last week of the cycle or shall I start the following monday?
Also as I have 2 lots of HCGenerate, would it not be worth running it into PCT to help boost natural test production?
I also have one tub of Bridge on hand too.
Cheers
 
definitely do the prop ED not EOD, and run HCG throughout cycle at 250ius twice a week. I believe shelf life of HCG once mixed and refrigerated is 30 days.
 
Dogfox said:
definitely do the prop ED not EOD, and run HCG throughout cycle at 250ius twice a week. I believe shelf life of HCG once mixed and refrigerated is 30 days.
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Why would you only do it ED?

Yea that is the problem, I only have one bottle of HCG, so should I start running it for the last month do you think? Or start running it now and hope that I can get my hands on some more?

Cheers
 
Catman22 said:
Why would you only do it ED?

Yea that is the problem, I only have one bottle of HCG, so should I start running it for the last month do you think? Or start running it now and hope that I can get my hands on some more?

Cheers
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ED= everyday

use it for the last month, try to get some now and use it before you start the one you have.
:jenscat
 
I thought it was a 3day half life, so it was ok to jab ED or EOD?
Most of the advice I have recieved in the past havent mentioned not to jab EOD only in the case of pain, that you could jab less of the irratable substance if you did it ED?
Have you used Prop before?
If so what were your experiences on it?
Cheers
 
When on tren ace and test prop I inject ed together. But when I go off of tren, I inject the test prop eod. Test prop active half life is 4.5d, so eod is fine. Tren ace is 3d, so less sides and fluctuation in blood levels if I pin everyday.
 
bluflame said:
When on tren ace and test prop I inject ed together. But when I go off of tren, I inject the test prop eod. Test prop active half life is 4.5d, so eod is fine. Tren ace is 3d, so less sides and fluctuation in blood levels if I pin everyday.
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Thanks mate,
What sort of results did you get off Prop?
Cheers
 
bluflame said:
When on tren ace and test prop I inject ed together. But when I go off of tren, I inject the test prop eod. Test prop active half life is 4.5d, so eod is fine. Tren ace is 3d, so less sides and fluctuation in blood levels if I pin everyday.
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test e is 5ish days prop is 2.2 i believe Its total life is 4.5 and test es total life is 10.5. Cant remember where i read a study on this and return to baseline T etc. But trust me I used to get the half lives confused too its a common misconception. Thats why prop is done ED, theres been alot of threads on that recently (last 2 years).
 
sick cycle already but 100 prop + 100 anavar per day = omg :p
 
Dogfox said:
test e is 5ish days prop is 2.2 i believe Its total life is 4.5 and test es total life is 10.5. Cant remember where i read a study on this and return to baseline T etc. But trust me I used to get the half lives confused too its a common misconception. Thats why prop is done ED, theres been alot of threads on that recently (last 2 years).
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Chart from isteroids



Injectable steroids:

Drug Active half-life
Deca-durabolin (Nandrolone decanate) 15 days
Equipoise 14 days
Finaject (trenbolone acetate) 3 days
Primobolan (methenolone enanthate) 10.5 days
Sustanon or Omnadren 15 to 18 days
Testosterone Cypionate 12 days
Testosterone Enanthate 10.5 days
Testosterone Propionate 4.5 days
Testosterone Suspension 1 day
Winstrol (stanozolol) 1 day
Steroid esters:

Drug Active half-life
Formate 1.5 days
Acetate 3 days
Propionate 4.5 days
Phenylpropionate 4.5 days
Butyrate 6 days
Valerate 7.5 days
Hexanoate 9 days
Caproate 9 days
Isocaproate 9 days
Heptanoate 10.5 days
Enanthate 10.5 days
Octanoate 12 days
Cypionate 12 days
Nonanoate 13.5 days
Decanoate 15 days
Undecanoate 16.5 days
 
Catman22 said:
Thanks mate,
What sort of results did you get off Prop?
Cheers
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I am on test for life. I cruise on 350mg/week when off cycle. Kinda hard to say what test alone does for me now. Throw tren in the mix and it is a whole different ballgame.
 
Thanks for all the support and advice guys.
I have to say that based on my research, which was pretty in depth, I thought that jabbing EOD would be sufficient.
So I think I will stick with that for this cycle, plus Im not too fond of the idea of jabbing everyday!

I did a metabolic conditioning session last night and had some real problems with my back tightening up, I took some electrolytes, taurine and ALA before the session but the pain was pretty bad.
Has anyobe else had problems with their lower backs on prop / var or both together? If so how did you deal with it?

Strength today, so looking forward to some new PBs!!!

Cheers
 
bluflame said:
Chart from isteroids



Injectable steroids:

Drug Active half-life
Deca-durabolin (Nandrolone decanate) 15 days
Equipoise 14 days
Finaject (trenbolone acetate) 3 days
Primobolan (methenolone enanthate) 10.5 days
Sustanon or Omnadren 15 to 18 days
Testosterone Cypionate 12 days
Testosterone Enanthate 10.5 days
Testosterone Propionate 4.5 days
Testosterone Suspension 1 day
Winstrol (stanozolol) 1 day
Steroid esters:

Drug Active half-life
Formate 1.5 days
Acetate 3 days
Propionate 4.5 days
Phenylpropionate 4.5 days
Butyrate 6 days
Valerate 7.5 days
Hexanoate 9 days
Caproate 9 days
Isocaproate 9 days
Heptanoate 10.5 days
Enanthate 10.5 days
Octanoate 12 days
Cypionate 12 days
Nonanoate 13.5 days
Decanoate 15 days
Undecanoate 16.5 days
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Isteroids? its all wrong. Easiest to prove would be..For example test cyp:
http://www.pfizer.com/files/products/uspi_depo_testosterone.pdf

^^^IM inj has a half life of around 8 days and thats according to pfizer.

http://www.clinchem.org/cgi/reprint/43/5/731.pdf

^^^6.6 days average in this study of 19 participants.


The above you posted even lists suspension as a 1 day half life. Thats just crazy - suspension having a total life of 48 hours would mean you could inj that EOD.

Anyway, OP can inject EOD but hed get better results from ED. But thats his choice and it appears hes already made it

:jenscat
 
Thanks for your help mate, interesting.

I dont particularly want to change my routine and dosages now, but will certainly look into it for my next cycle.

Cheers
 
UPDATE:

The strength is still going up pretty well, every session I am either increasing the poundage or getting 2-3 more reps on the same weight out, so this is all good.

I did wake up last night with this lower back pain, I have had it for the last 2-3 days, it is like a dull ache on the right hand side. Feels like it could be kidnesy pain. I know it is probably back pumps, but seems to be worse in the
evenings. Has anyone else experienced this pain in the past?

I will be upping my taurine intake as well as my water intake and I will also buys ome cranberry juice too, hopefully this will deal with it. If anyone else has any advice on this pain please let me know.

Cheers
 
Just taken my 1st glass of cranberry juice with 5g of taurine added.
Hopefully this will improve things.
If anyone has anymore advice or help I would be interested to hear it.
Anyone had these back problems?
Cheers
 
Catman22 said:
Just taken my 1st glass of cranberry juice with 5g of taurine added.
Hopefully this will improve things.
If anyone has anymore advice or help I would be interested to hear it.
Anyone had these back problems?
Cheers
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make sure water intake is around 5 litres spread throughout the day
 
Catman22 said:
Has anybody else been on a cycle similar to this?
If so what sides if any did you get?
How were your results, and did you keep them?
Do you think my goals are unrealistic?

Cheers
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I am doing a Test E/Var cycle at the moment and loving it. This is my first injectable cycle ever. I have found I have zero problems with gyno and have not used an AI as of yet. The size, strength and weight are through the roof for me. I have REALLY got to watch my diet or I will balloon up and get bulky and that is not what I want. The water weight came about 2 weeks in, the strength hit big time around 3.5 weeks. It has been uphill the whole way. This shit is GREAT!

I am sure you will have less water weight, if any, with the prop. Good luck. You will love this cycle.

Cycle:
Weeks 1-14 HG Test E 500 MG
Weeks 9-14 Var 100 MG Daily
HCGenerate 3 pills daily
2 Fish Oil tabs daily
3 Milk Thistle daily
 
Dogfox said:
make sure water intake is around 5 litres spread throughout the day
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Thanks mate, I have been drinking plenty, but to be honest i think I slipped up and didnt drink enough water for a few days straight, do you think this could have caused it?

If anyone has had similar problems, did they go away?

Cheers
 
perhaps the standing military, squats, and deads are also not doing you a favour in the back pump department. A split with a lot of spinal erector engagement will usually cause discomfort
 
Dogfox said:
perhaps the standing military, squats, and deads are also not doing you a favour in the back pump department. A split with a lot of spinal erector engagement will usually cause discomfort
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Yea I agree, I am currently in a frequency block where I am overloading each bodypart training it 3 times a week. I only have one week left before I am goin back to a 3 day pulling, pushing and leg split. So this may help too?

Not feeling too bad this morning after 2 days of lots of water and taking a bit more care, hoping this will get rid of the problem overall over the weekend.

On a positive note I added 22lbs to my squat for 12 reps and 11lbs to my bench for 12 reps yesterday so the stength is still going through the roof, obviously I gave deads a lift with my back. I have also now gained about 8lbs altogether, while at least maintaining if not dropping bf.

Lets hope my back sorts itself out and my strength keeps going up, after next week I will be concentrationg on dropping bodyfat and maintaining weight as much as I can. Will keep you all updated.

Cheers
 
QUESTION:

In previous cycles what have you guys found gives you the best results for cutting bodyfat?
My intention after this week of frequency is to go into a conditioning block, which will look like this:
Legs on monday, Upper body pushing Weds, Upper Body Pulling Fri. With Metabolic conditioning tuesday and thursday AM and Fitness tues and thursday PM. Saturday is game day sunday rest.
The weights will be lighter with higher reps and less rest.

Let me know your thoughts guys,
Cheers
 
UPDATE:

The pain in my back has gone now, Im not sure whether or not it was my kidnesy, my liver or just a strain, but N2 Guard, cranberry juice and Taurine have all helped as well as consciously drinking more water.
The strength is still flying high and Im happy with how things are going.
Looking forward to ripping up a bit now over the next 4-5weeks.

Cheers
 
Yes, if you are not drinking enough water, it would definetly result in what you are experiencing with the back pumps. I had that exact same thing happen to me.
 
428scj said:
Yes, if you are not drinking enough water, it would definetly result in what you are experiencing with the back pumps. I had that exact same thing happen to me.
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Thanks mate, yea like I said they have died down now, and Im pretty sure it was not enough water that caused it.
What cycle did you run and what were the results like?
Cheers
 
For me whenever I take anavar the pumps will be very intense no matter what. Sometimes the pumps are so tight I have to take break and stretch for a few minutes while training. As for back pumps I'm assuming you mean the kidney area. Lower the dosage, keep drinking lots of water, and continue with the taurine.
 
WinnyPumps said:
For me whenever I take anavar the pumps will be very intense no matter what. Sometimes the pumps are so tight I have to take break and stretch for a few minutes while training. As for back pumps I'm assuming you mean the kidney area. Lower the dosage, keep drinking lots of water, and continue with the taurine.
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Thanks for the input mate, the pumps have died down with the water increase to be fair.
Also the var tabs I have are in 50mg tabs so I would only be able to half the dosage, and I dont think this is the best thing to do as the strength is going up so well.
Cheers
 
SIDES UPDATE:

I have been experiencing a bit of tenderness in my nipples over the last day or two.
I am not sure if this is due to cold weather or maybe as a side effect from the course.
Has anyone had similare problems to this? If so how did you deal with it?

Cheers
 
CYCLE UPDATE:

I have started taking HCGenerate today, since I have two boxes on hand I have decided to take 5caps in the morning and 5caps in the evening.
I will also be taking my 1st HCG jab today.
To be honest I haven't noticed too much atrophy in my balls over the 1st 4 weeks of the cycle, but I am hoping that the HCG and the generate will pump them right back up to where they were in no time.

Overall I am happy with the gains I have got so far, I have gained about 10lbs, I have dropped 1-2% bodyfat (I also started conditioning yesterday with a brutal leg session, which will really kickstart my fat loss) and I have had some great strength gains, putting on 30-40+ lbs on my major lifts, I hope I can keep this up and will keep you guys posted.

Cheers
 
UPDATE:

Hi guys, sorry its been a while since my last update.
I am well and truely into conditioning now, and I have lost 2lbs, which is defiantely fat, and if anything I have put on more muscle still!
I am feeling good, strong and the cycle is coming along nicely!
The one problem I have been has been with running, I have had real problems with my calves tightening up and my feet cramping too, I am taking plenty of taurine, potassium and electrolytes. Lots of water too, so not sure what to do with this. Any ideas?

Cheers
 
mlavin said:
What is going on Bro??? You write some of my favorite logs...updates?
Click to expand...

Hi Bro,

The cycle is done, got some great gains in strength and lost bodyfat too!!!

I got injured just after i finished my cycle and haven't been able to train for 2 weeks since coming off so this has hurt a bit in PCT, lost a lot of weight but not the strenght so much.

I'm now planning a similar cycle to start after PCT, 100mg test prop ed and 100mg var ed, would you recommend adding anything to my next cycle?

I was also considering going on HGH???

Cheers, and I glad you like the logs mate
 
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