2nd cycle advice, looking for no bloat

[the700level]

Whats up guys - looking for input on 2nd cycle

6'1, bout 185lbs now. 26 and been lifting for 6 years.

First cycle was 500mg test, got all the way up to 220lbs by the end of it. Experienced estrogenic sides (back acne only) in pct, also sexual side effects were weird (couldnt get it up WHILE on test, bizarre)

Was looking for a cycle to put on some LBM and strength with little to no bloat and possibly go for abs. I have test and exemestane left

 

[Mekat]

whats ur bf% and what type of test do u have?

 

[the700level]

13-14% and cyp

 

[joeblow12345]

Id run test prop with mast maybe some var or tbol at the end.

1-10 test prop 100 mg eod
1-10 mast prop 100 mg eod
6-12 var 60-80 mg day
6-12 n2guard
4-8 hcgen
8-12 hcg
1-10 adex or aromasin as needed

Pct 12-16
Clomid 25 mg day
Postcycle/unleashed
Daa
Forma.


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[Mekat]

how much water u hold on cycle really has many outside factors, i.e sodium and water intake.. what u can try to do is keep ur test on the low side, say 250mg a week and add a more androgenic coumpund, i.e masteron, primo, anavar, proviron, winny etc. and u can also kick start the cycle with a dry oral, i.e tbol, anavar, adrol, or some PHs like Epi.

high doses of test will more than likely always make u hold water and look bloated, but the addition of proviron and a dry androgenic coupound and low dose test should be enough to keep u nice a lean during ur cycle, and just watch ur soudium and drink at least 1.5-2 gals of water

 

[oxymoron]

It can come down to the individual too. If I run test, I bloat. No matter the ester and even at a reasonably low dosage with a clean diet. Although that's where the forma comes in.
Ive adjusted up to 6 pumps am/ 6 pm and the water is gone especially in my face.


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[the700level]

So if i were to stick to var and cyp, would you frontload or backload the var?

1-12 cyp 300mg
8-14 var 50mg

Or

1-12 cyp 300mg
1-6 var 50mg

 

[Mekat]

u can do both..but it might be a lil expensive.. or u can kick start with tbol 1-4 and end with var 8-14

if ur set on either one or the other, backloading would be better to polish off the cycle, i would also add proviron to the cycle, it goes especially well with var

 

[the700level]

u can do both..but it might be a lil expensive.. or u can kick start with tbol 1-4 and end with var 8-14

if ur set on either one or the other, backloading would be better to polish off the cycle, i would also add proviron to the cycle, it goes especially well with var

How would you add proviron?

 

[Mekat]

25-50mg/day for the duration of the cycle would be best, some ppl even go up to 100mg but its really not necessary

 

[stevesmi]

your bacne on pct could of been from your PCT, and have nothing to do with your test. clomid gives me acne.. what did u run for pct last time?

and as far as bloat, i would love to tell you to run primo or var only. but they work better when stacked with something to give them a kick. and since its just your 2nd cycle i would not recommend tren yet to you. save that for later

 

[the700level]

your bacne on pct could of been from your PCT, and have nothing to do with your test. clomid gives me acne.. what did u run for pct last time?

and as far as bloat, i would love to tell you to run primo or var only. but they work better when stacked with something to give them a kick. and since its just your 2nd cycle i would not recommend tren yet to you. save that for later

Pct was clomid and when the bacne got bad i threw in exemestane which helped it .. but i feel like my hormones were way off

Im thinking 300mg test, 25mg proviron, 50mg anavar last 6weeks

What diet would you recommend?

 

[RickRock13]

Acne seems to always hit me in PCT no matter what I do. I think its the hormonal changes of your body attempting to reach homeostasis that does it

 

[Nelson Montana]

Sounds like you're susceptible to estro -- that's also what caused the libido issues.

 

[dylangemelli]

25 mg of proviron is absolutely pointless... if your going to run cyp then run aromasin at 12.5 mg eod... that's the strongest ai your going to get besides letro... that will help to keep you dry... i would run winnie on the back end or you can run anavar and proviron... you could also kickstart with tbol...

1-12 test cyp 350-500 mg week
1-12 aromasin 12.5 mg eod
1-4 tbol 60 mg day
1-4 n2guard
7-12 hcgenerate
12-14 hcg 1000 iu's week
9-14 anavar 60 mg day first four weeks then bump to 80 mg
9-14 proviron 75 mg day
OR 9-14 winstrol 50 mg day
9-14 n2guard

pct week 15-18

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Unleashed/post cycle combo
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daa powerchews or powder

optional
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