20mg dbol enough with test as kickstarter?

[Nitrom]

Hello i ventured forth my first cycle after 5 years of steady and progressive training...i have chosen base of my cycle to be test enanthate split in two shots of 250mg , so that equals it 500 mg / week

since i finished priming diet and done a short instense cut before this cycle i am pretty lean around 8 % body fat and looking forth a mass improvements therefore i have chosen this cycle to be of more androgenic nature..

i have added blue hearts * dbol* 20mg ED for 4-5 weeks (will see exact number yet)

my questions are :

1. Since i have read on multiple boards tutorials etc that minimal starting dose is 20 to 25 i chosen dose of 20 mg for first week... I felt better pump, endurance and vascularity,tho not strength and that much aggressiveness on training... is it still too early to jump to conclusions in just 1 week?

2. I still dont feel any sides AT All, not even water retention since my diet is clean, SHOULD i increase dosage and if i do ,is it safe to cut blue heart in half to get a ~ 5 mg part or should i just wait more and see? ( i am aware of possible onslaught of effects if i bump it early, and no i am not looking for bloated look,but i am aware of positive sides of estrogen on muscle mass and strength)

3.If i decide to bump dosage to 25 or 30,will increasing this cause of pyramiding to 5 kickstart weeks instead of 4 be potential problem for liver , cause of just 1 week extra?

4. I have arimidex at hand...if gyno symptoms start is he ENOUGH to combat it,or do i need nolva to first push out estrogen out of breast receptors and than combat Estro with adex...

Thanks in forward guys
Cheers, Nit

 

[Arabian]

Hello i ventured forth my first cycle after 5 years of steady and progressive training...i have chosen base of my cycle to be test enanthate split in two shots of 250mg , so that equals it 500 mg / week

since i finished priming diet and done a short instense cut before this cycle i am pretty lean around 8 % body fat and looking forth a mass improvements therefore i have chosen this cycle to be of more androgenic nature..

i have added blue hearts * dbol* 20mg ED for 4-5 weeks (will see exact number yet)

my questions are :

1. Since i have read on multiple boards tutorials etc that minimal starting dose is 20 to 25 i chosen dose of 20 mg for first week... I felt better pump, endurance and vascularity,tho not strength and that much aggressiveness on training... is it still too early to jump to conclusions in just 1 week?

2. I still dont feel any sides AT All, not even water retention since my diet is clean, SHOULD i increase dosage and if i do ,is it safe to cut blue heart in half to get a ~ 5 mg part or should i just wait more and see? ( i am aware of possible onslaught of effects if i bump it early, and no i am not looking for bloated look,but i am aware of positive sides of estrogen on muscle mass and strength)

3.If i decide to bump dosage to 25 or 30,will increasing this cause of pyramiding to 5 kickstart weeks instead of 4 be potential problem for liver , cause of just 1 week extra?

4. I have arimidex at hand...if gyno symptoms start is he ENOUGH to combat it,or do i need nolva to first push out estrogen out of breast receptors and than combat Estro with adex...

Thanks in forward guys
Cheers, Nit

I think you have the right approach with starting at 20mg per day. Everyone responds differently to dbol etc. I would run 30mg per day and find the dose that works best for you. You should be fine at 5 weeks at that dose and from my experience, unless you are gyno prone it should not present a problem however you have it covered if so with your armidex . Best of luck and let us know how your cycle progresses.

 

[Nitrom]

Thank you very much.... so adex is sufficient to cover all and any gyno relate problems?

do you think that bumping dose to 30 instead of 25 wont make any difference? (in that matter that if i bump i should go to 30 immediately and not waste time on 25? )


also i have noticed this first week a slight reduce in libido/maintaining erection...is that my body accommodating to new substances or could it be generaly CNS related tiredness after diet ,cause i got back to my full body compound heavy movements


regards nit

 

[digit0x]

20 is plenty.

 

[Cwibstr]

Don't forget to run a good liver support. I run N2guard with mine and felt great.

 

[Nitrom]

Any more opinions? stay on 20 for 1 more week, up to 25 to 30 what will it be?

 

[Arabian]

Any more opinions? stay on 20 for 1 more week, up to 25 to 30 what will it be?

If you are not seeing results at 20 mg per day then up it to 30 mg per day and find your ideal dosage however remember, dbol is only water weight and is primarily used as a kickstart to start seeing gains immediately in your cycle. So, keep in mind that you will lose this as soon as you discontinue it however by the 4th week you should start seeing results from your Test.

 

[Nitrom]

so 25 would be a waste of time ?


any feedback on libido stuff?i noticed pronounced morning woods however potency is lower as i get close to bed lol

 

[stevesmi]

if its good quality dbol i don't see why 20mg wouldn't be fine. i see guys running 50mg and i know they don't have good quality stuff.

you aren't feeling it yet because either the shit you have is crap or its too early. give it a week to a week and half to build up in your system

 

[Nitrom]

any more opinions and possible libido answer?


also today i had pretty high caffeine stroke..i dont feel i am retaining water or anything but i had really bad shortness of breath after heavy benching...holy fck :S