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20 week cycle bulk and cut ;)

Craigydar

Craigydar

New member
Done cycles incl deca , tren etc
28 bf14% 209lbs 6ft previous cycles ... Trt

I have caber and adex and proviron running throughout
Our summer is June July August . Suppose main goal is to put muscle on then rip

I want to bulk for 12 weeks then cut for 8
Bulk 700 cal surplus , cut 500 deficit

2 options

1
1-12 tren E 600
1-12 test E 400
1-4 dbol 40
Then cut at week 12
13-20 test 600
Add anavar if needed at end

OR

2
1-8 testE 600
1-4 dbol 40
9-20 tren E 600
9-20 test E 400
Bulk will be again up to week 12 then cut
Anavar at end if needed

Hcg on both cycles not sure yet if I should

What you guys think
 
I like option two, definitely throw some var in there for the last six or so weeks. Run the var at 50 to 75 mg a day

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I suppose this option will rip me to shreds ... But I'll be sacrificing abit of bulk as I'll be using the tren at the end. Hmmm decisions.:)
 
I think the bulk then cut approach is a little outdated. And unless you're preparing for a competition you're wasting a lot of time effort and money to fine tune something and lose 75% of what you gained...which is what happens when you go and down too fast. The body doesn't get used to holding the mass. And once you cut,at some point you have to go back to eating normally and get off the tren. So I guess it all comes down to your objective.
 
Nelson Montana said:
I think the bulk then cut approach is a little outdated. And unless you're preparing for a competition you're wasting a lot of time effort and money to fine tune something and lose 75% of what you gained...which is what happens when you go and down too fast. The body doesn't get used to holding the mass. And once you cut,at some point you have to go back to eating normally and get off the tren. So I guess it all comes down to your objective.
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I thought once muscle is gained that's it ... It's yours , then slowly reduce cals to just below maintenance into a cut ... After 20 weeks I'll be on trt dose and eating maintenance through the summer ... What do you recommend is my best approach to this .., objective is to add a lot of muscle but is like to eventually be sub 10% mate
 
My third option if it's true I'll lose75 per cent is to go all out 20 week bulk . How long do you have to maintain the muscle for your body to get used to it ?

I'm tempted to just bulk 20 weeks with first option and be fat for summer but I'll have a lot of muscle
 
I dont see anything wrong with bulking for 8-10 weeks then cutting for another 8-10 weeks the last half of a cycle. I do it pretty much every cycle. Tale advantage of muscle gain through 8 weeks until myostatin levels peak and gains stall. At that point it only makes sense to cut because it is virtually impossible to gain muscle at the point while myostatin is high. There is zero threat to losing any muscle if you are cutting while still on high doses.
That method is the most efficient way to get the most benefit out of long cycles in my opinion
 
RickRock13 said:
I dont see anything wrong with bulking for 8-10 weeks then cutting for another 8-10 weeks the last half of a cycle. I do it pretty much every cycle. Tale advantage of muscle gain through 8 weeks until myostatin levels peak and gains stall. At that point it only makes sense to cut because it is virtually impossible to gain muscle at the point while myostatin is high. There is zero threat to losing any muscle if you are cutting while still on high doses.
That method is the most efficient way to get the most benefit out of long cycles in my opinion
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Yes this was my thinking , if I bulk for 12 weeks then cut for 10 immediately after on tren 600 test 400 and Bari shouldn't lose any muscle due to high doses ..
What sort of deficit in cals do you use? While cutting mate
 
REMIX

1-16 Test, 500mg/week
1-16 EQ, 600-800mg/week
1-4 DBol, 30-40mg/day
7-16 Tren E, 400mg/week
7-18 S-4, 50-75mg/day (sarms1.com)
7-18 GW-50, 20mg/day (sarms1.com)

Bulk the first 6-8 weeks, then cut the rest.
 
Reps For Jesus said:
REMIX

1-16 Test, 500mg/week
1-16 EQ, 600-800mg/week
1-4 DBol, 30-40mg/day
7-16 Tren E, 400mg/week
7-18 S-4, 50-75mg/day (sarms1.com)
7-18 GW-50, 20mg/day (sarms1.com)

Bulk the first 6-8 weeks, then cut the rest.
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Not a clue about s4 or gw mate
I thought of eq however people said blood pressure and rbc would increase too much
 
Started this
1-8Test tri 800
1-4 dbol 40
9-20 tren 600
9-20 tri test 400
14-20 anavar 75ed

Proviron , adex caber

Bulk 1-12
Cut 13-20 then back on to trt
 
Craigydar said:
On the cut say tren and test. Var,,,.. Would anyone use t3 and clen Aswel ?
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I'd drop your test to 250 so u let the tren shine with less sides. Also, I'd throw in GW with the tren and at least 4 weeks after dropping tren. I'd also take some n2guard for the cycle to protect your organs.


N2guard www.needtobuildmuscle.com
 
fizzisnumerouno said:
I'd drop your test to 250 so u let the tren shine with less sides. Also, I'd throw in GW with the tren and at least 4 weeks after dropping tren. I'd also take some n2guard for the cycle to protect your organs.


N2guard www.needtobuildmuscle.com
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Sorry to sound dumb I am not familiar with n2 gaurd or gw... Where can you get gw , what's it stand for and main reason to take it ...
Would you take t3 and clen also ? To help fat loss
 
bonacris said:
Check out predator nutrition. It's based in Leeds I think

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Want to maximise muscle growth before cutting for the summer N2 gaurd eod through out

Caber 0.25 eod on tren Adex 0.25 eod
1-12 Bulk diet 1000 cal surplus
13-20 cut 500 deficit

1-8test 800
1-4 dbol 45 9-20
tri test 400
9-20 tren e
600 11-23
gw 20 ed 11-23 s4 74 ed
Maybe albuterol and t3 Aswel but not sure on doses as never ran them Thoughts ? I know it's long cycle but willing to try it .
 
]On the cut on test n tren gw and s4.... Would anyone add anything else or is that plenty ...
Maybe clen t3 eca ??[
 
Craigydar said:
So scrap clen eca then . Started test n dbol , week n half in and dbol kicking in abit :-)
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yes, scrap the eca and clen... just run sarms bro... clen is so dangerous and just not worth it... sarms will still build muscle, have minimal to no side effects, will melt fat, increase strength, size, endurance, overall sense of well being, etc... seems like a no brainer bro
 
dylangemelli said:
yes, scrap the eca and clen... just run sarms bro... clen is so dangerous and just not worth it... sarms will still build muscle, have minimal to no side effects, will melt fat, increase strength, size, endurance, overall sense of well being, etc... seems like a no brainer bro
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Actually excited bro .... Try it out . Still bulking at mo gaining 2lbs week ,
 
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I'm 2 weeks in with dbol n test . Was supposed to add muscle for 12 weeks before my cut . But the bloat and fat gain seem to be increasing . I feel like I need to cut but the muscke just isn't there yet . What you guys think ? Just keep bulking . ?
1-8 test 600
1-4 dbol
9-20 tren 500 test 250/300
Bulk to week 12 was my goal then cut . Any ideas . Running provorin and adex also
 
Craigydar said:
View attachment 119383
I'm 2 weeks in with dbol n test . Was supposed to add muscle for 12 weeks before my cut . But the bloat and fat gain seem to be increasing . I feel like I need to cut but the muscke just isn't there yet . What you guys think ? Just keep bulking . ?
1-8 test 600
1-4 dbol
9-20 tren 500 test 250/300
Bulk to week 12 was my goal then cut . Any ideas . Running provorin and adex also
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thats more like it ^^^^^ dbol+test at the front end of the cycle and then half the test and run tren @ 400-500mg.

dont even think about clen or eca - the sweats are gonna be bad enough without that shit not to mention the extra stress that crap puts on your system.

i dont think you need var ,mast or anything else on this run.
 
C0LUMB0 said:
thats more like it ^^^^^ dbol+test at the front end of the cycle and then half the test and run tren @ 400-500mg.

dont even think about clen or eca - the sweats are gonna be bad enough without that shit not to mention the extra stress that crap puts on your system.

i dont think you need var ,mast or anything else on this run.
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Yes sorted cycle the pic I added in my last post ^^^, I've put a lot of fat on mid section
Wanted to bulk for first 12 wks of this cycle . But so conscious of fat. However muscle needs increasing big time , viscous circle bro
 
fizzisnumerouno said:
What are you running for on-cycle support?
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Liv 52 multi vits fish oils etc for now . I've ordered n2 gaurd . I'll start them immediately as I'm 2 weeks into test dbol .

My back and elbow are in pain . Muscles achy.
Not sure if it's down to strength gains already from dbol and working hard I'm a plumber so lifting radiators and boilers all day etc . Annoying as I had 3 days off gym so far n looks like I need another day or 2 ... A&be been fine for a years and suddenly I get all achy and pain
 
dylangemelli said:
yes, scrap the eca and clen... just run sarms bro... clen is so dangerous and just not worth it... sarms will still build muscle, have minimal to no side effects, will melt fat, increase strength, size, endurance, overall sense of well being, etc... seems like a no brainer bro
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Just had a thought , if I run the test and tren anavar until end of blast when cutting, then back to trt cruise I'll still be cutting ... My question is shall I save the sarms for after blast when I'm continuing cutting on trt ? the end of my blast . That way I'll keep more gains with the s4 and gw also????
 
Craigydar said:
Just had a thought , if I run the test and tren anavar until end of blast when cutting, then back to trt cruise I'll still be cutting ... My question is shall I save the sarms for after blast when I'm continuing cutting on trt ? the end of my blast . That way I'll keep more gains with the s4 and gw also????
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Any ideas?
 
Something like this where it overlaps into trt



Caber dostinex pills 0.25 eod on tren
Adex 0.25 eod

1-4 dbol 40ed
1-8 test 600
1-8 proviron 50ed
9-20 tren e 600
9-21 test 300
15-27 s4 50ed gw 20ed
10-20 t3 12.5ed
15-21anavar 75ed
1-4 n2 gaurd 4 caps day
9-20 n2 gaurd
1-20 n2 slin 2caps before and 2 after workouts . Workout days only


1-12 bulk surplus 1000 cals
13-20+ cut 500 deficit carbs not fats
Stop dbol 10th march
10th feb started test e 31st march

24th march start tren
23rd June stop tren or 7th July
Start cutting 5th may maybe earlier
 
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