38, trained mostly natural for 20 years. 5 10, 222 lbs. My knowledge is rapidly improving lol. Actually tried Winni 10 years ago for a cycle, but I did not take enoughswordfish151 said:How old are you? Stats? training history? knowledge of AAS?
Unfortunately, I am unable to do the needle, but I hear you pal.ryan04 said:I agree with BlackSheep. Winny and d-bol are both hard on your liver, don't do them together. D-bol and test is a badass cycle, get some of that. Also, do 500 mgs. a week instead of 250(of test). You'll blow up! D-bols alone will get you big but you'll lose the majority of it when you come off. Don't fear the needle, the needle is your friend.
Taxman said:Unfortunately, I am unable to do the needle, but I hear you pal.
What is your suggestion for orals?swordfish151 said:ah bro then if you cant "stick" then you shouldnt be thinking about AAS..like the guys said dbol is "rented" muscle if you dont do proper PCT and even then you loose most of what you earned.
pps_mover said:What form of Test do you guys recommend?
swordfish151 said:ah bro then if you cant "stick" then you shouldnt be thinking about AAS..like the guys said dbol is "rented" muscle if you dont do proper PCT and even then you loose most of what you earned.
Taxman said:What is your suggestion for orals?
lets just say that orals are easily disguised as any pill and that having the needle around is not an option, although I wish it wasblack sheep said:I won't make a Oral only first cycle suggestion. Hell I won't make an oral only suggestion period.
Test is the basis for all cycles IMO, unless it was a Primo/Var.
Why are you "unable to do the needle"?
idcbp said:I don't know why it the belief that dbol gains are not keepable is so prevailent. The gains, with proper pct, are as keepable as any. Ask needssize or just about anyone who has some quality size and they will tell you the same. Orals such as dbol and drol are essential for mass building in most cases. Do you have to nail your pct and post diet and training? Yes, but this is the case on pretty much any heavy andro cycle. Rented muscle is only if you aren't doing it right.
I appreciate your perspective.idcbp said:I don't know why it the belief that dbol gains are not keepable is so prevailent. The gains, with proper pct, are as keepable as any. Ask needssize or just about anyone who has some quality size and they will tell you the same. Orals such as dbol and drol are essential for mass building in most cases. Do you have to nail your pct and post diet and training? Yes, but this is the case on pretty much any heavy andro cycle. Rented muscle is only if you aren't doing it right.
Taxman said:lets just say that orals are easily disguised as any pill and that having the needle around is not an option, although I wish it was
well tell me how to do the PCT rightswordfish151 said:your right idcbp, should have cleared up my comment...i was referring in the content of "not doing PCT right" which i doubt this guy would know how.
Trust me guyblack sheep said:Are you in Jail?? That is the only time I would say that you could not use a pin.
If not, you don't have any hiding place? You are never home alone?
I just don't buy these "I cannot" use pins posts.
As for "easily disguised", what are you going to say "I have a lot of headaches", at least twice a day for 4-6 weeks? That sounds more complicated than hiding a bottle of test and 10 pins.
lol, I will see if I can arrange for the needle Bro. You have talked me into itblack sheep said:http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=376177
Read that about your PCT.
As for your cycle - Good luck - Better start reading, cuz I doubt anyone is really going to help you with your "restrictions"
You have no business touching gear IMO.
swordfish151 said:your right idcbp, should have cleared up my comment...i was referring in the content of "not doing PCT right" which i doubt this guy would know how.
thanks for the advice. you really beat me up over not wanting to use the needle ha ha. Thanks againblack sheep said:oh, and www.getpinz.com can hook you up with the pins you need.
Pick up 23ga 1.5". Or 23ga 1" if you want to shoot into the quads, which is easier to do if you are inexperienced, as you are.
Taxman said:lol, I will see if I can arrange for the needle Bro. You have talked me into it
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