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swordfish151
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How old are you? Stats? training history? knowledge of AAS?
black sheep
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WTF is with all the Oral only 1st cycles lately?
Do not stack with Winny, you don't want 2 17aa's running together.
You should run test only for your first. 250mg/week of Sust for 10 weeks is a great first cycle. You will get much better gains, and keepable ones, than the d-bol.
If you can handle the pin, stay away from the gear.
Do not stack with Winny, you don't want 2 17aa's running together.
You should run test only for your first. 250mg/week of Sust for 10 weeks is a great first cycle. You will get much better gains, and keepable ones, than the d-bol.
If you can handle the pin, stay away from the gear.
I agree with BlackSheep. Winny and d-bol are both hard on your liver, don't do them together. D-bol and test is a badass cycle, get some of that. Also, do 500 mgs. a week instead of 250(of test). You'll blow up! D-bols alone will get you big but you'll lose the majority of it when you come off. Don't fear the needle, the needle is your friend.
swordfish151
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Have to agree with both these guys..test is your first cycle cherri popper bro...BUT you still havent answered my questions?
swordfish151
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Taxman said:
ah bro then if you cant "stick" then you shouldnt be thinking about AAS..like the guys said dbol is "rented" muscle if you dont do proper PCT and even then you loose most of what you earned.
swordfish151
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pps_mover said:
what kind do you mean? Sustanon. 250mgs - 500mgs wk for 10 wks! good first cycle. PCT Nolva on hand for gyno during cycle, after cycle 20mgs ED for 3wks, HCG 500iu 3X wk for 3 wks.
swordfish151 said:
I don't know why it the belief that dbol gains are not keepable is so prevailent. The gains, with proper pct, are as keepable as any. Ask needssize or just about anyone who has some quality size and they will tell you the same. Orals such as dbol and drol are essential for mass building in most cases. Do you have to nail your pct and post diet and training? Yes, but this is the case on pretty much any heavy andro cycle. Rented muscle is only if you aren't doing it right.
black sheep
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Taxman said:
I won't make a Oral only first cycle suggestion. Hell I won't make an oral only suggestion period.
Test is the basis for all cycles IMO, unless it was a Primo/Var.
Why are you "unable to do the needle"?
swordfish151
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idcbp said:
your right idcbp, should have cleared up my comment...i was referring in the content of "not doing PCT right" which i doubt this guy would know how.
black sheep
Banned
Taxman said:
Are you in Jail?? That is the only time I would say that you could not use a pin.
If not, you don't have any hiding place? You are never home alone?
I just don't buy these "I cannot" use pins posts.
As for "easily disguised", what are you going to say "I have a lot of headaches", at least twice a day for 4-6 weeks? That sounds more complicated than hiding a bottle of test and 10 pins.
black sheep
Banned
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=376177
Read that about your PCT.
As for your cycle - Good luck - Better start reading, cuz I doubt anyone is really going to help you with your "restrictions"
You have no business touching gear IMO.
Read that about your PCT.
As for your cycle - Good luck - Better start reading, cuz I doubt anyone is really going to help you with your "restrictions"
You have no business touching gear IMO.
swordfish151 said:
I agree with that. Dbol is the prime newbie destruction tool, though by no fault of its own. Guys love the fact that its not a needle and its gives instant results regardless of shitty diet and training habits. They lose interest and don't do proper pct or even train post cycle, leading to the crash. Then they curse dbol. Glad you clarified bro.
black sheep
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Pick up 10cc's of Sust or a single ester test. Run 250mg's of test shot once a week. You will see great results.
I disagree that you need to go up to 500mg for a first. If you already have the D-Bol you could stack that with the test at 20mgs ED split into 2 10mg doses a day. If you don't have it, don't bother with it. I gained 20 keepable lbs from my first at 250 of sust for 8 weeks. I was inexperienced and my diet was poor, and I still gained 20lbs. I did have a good PCT and I kept my gains, 100%
You will grow like a weed for a first if your diet and training are on.
I disagree that you need to go up to 500mg for a first. If you already have the D-Bol you could stack that with the test at 20mgs ED split into 2 10mg doses a day. If you don't have it, don't bother with it. I gained 20 keepable lbs from my first at 250 of sust for 8 weeks. I was inexperienced and my diet was poor, and I still gained 20lbs. I did have a good PCT and I kept my gains, 100%
You will grow like a weed for a first if your diet and training are on.
black sheep
Banned
oh, and www.getpinz.com can hook you up with the pins you need.
Pick up 23ga 1.5". Or 23ga 1" if you want to shoot into the quads, which is easier to do if you are inexperienced, as you are.
Pick up 23ga 1.5". Or 23ga 1" if you want to shoot into the quads, which is easier to do if you are inexperienced, as you are.
fugetaboutit
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He may need to do more than 250mg a week. Some very few people are blessed with being able to gain off 250mg's a week (that's not too far off from just a replacement dose). That is certainly not the NORM. IMO taxman, you should do TWO shots of 250mgs per week spread out evenly to keep your blood levels even. Remember fellas, sust has test prop in it and you can't do test prop once a week, so doing it once a week will give you very little test by day 4 or 5 after the injection. TWICE A WEEK / 250MGS EACH DOSE. You'll thank me later taxman.
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Whoa, now wait a minute, do you really know what you are doing, sounds to me like you are desperate and really haven't thought the needle through.
I just joined this forum, so I am using it as tool to make my decision - it has terrific information here
Taxman said:
Whoa, now wait a minute, do you really know what you are doing, sounds to me like you are desperate and really haven't thought the needle through.
I just joined this forum, so I am using it as tool to make my decision - it has terrific information here
cornfish
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There's always a place to use the pins. I can't use them at home but i get a nice juicy shot in my ass in the bathroom stall at work. Do whatever it takes to be safe and protect your body and sticking with the orals doesn't have the most longevity. You'll need your liver eventually, just be creative and there is a way
