1st Cycle - Any Suggestions?

[jackfrost647]

Thank you. I have read the Guide to Test Usage and talked to a friend about a good first cycle, but thought it would be good to get second opinions. Any thoughts about this as my first cycle?

Weeks 1-10

500 mg of Sust (Mon 250, Thurs 250)
400 mg of Deca (Tues 200, Sat 200)
1.25 mg Propecia day
.25 mg Arimidex every other day (to never let my balls shrink)
50 mg clomid every other day

320 mg Saw Palmetto/day
350 mg Milk Thistle/day
1900 mg Cranberry Fruit/day
2000 mg Evening Primrose Oil/day
2+ gallons water/day



Week 11

300mg Sust
200mg Deca
Everything else the same

Week 12
200mg Sust
100 mg Deca
Increase Clomid to 100 mg/day
Everything else the same

Week 13
No juice
100 mg clomid/day
Everything else the same

Week 14
No juice
50 mg clomid
Everything else the same

 

[Nelson Montana]

I would up the Cranberry fruit to 1950 mgs a day.

 

[MR Pink]

Listen to Nelson, my last cycle looked like yours...I had Cranberry juice @ 1900mg a day I was losing my hair, had acne, no sex-drive and a bunch of other sides

upped the dose to 1950 mg and they were gone that same day

If only someone told me

Mr Pink

 

[Triple J]

I think your cycle needs a little work. First, as I recall it is not advised to take propecia with deca. I forget exactly why.

Unless you have MPB or prostate disease you really should not be worried about DHT - it has many benefits. And if you do have MPB or prostate issues, the saw palmetto should keep you in good enough shape. I am presuming your problems are not too severe or you would not be doing a cycle at all.

Next, your adex dose seems a little low, .5mg eod or even ed may be better. If you have prostate issues estrogen can trigger problems as well so you may want to keep that in mind, too. Of course there are many who will say you do not need any anti-e's with dosages in this range. But given this is your first cycle and you do not know how you will react I think better safe than sorry.

By the way your balls will most likely shrink some no matter what you do, and I doubt if the Clomid during the cycle will help, but it might make a little difference. The main thing that helps would be some hits of HCG throughout your cycle - but HCG can spike estrogen as well, and I would time any HCG hits away from your testosterone shots to avoid spikes in blood levels.

A little ball shrinkage is not that big a deal. How much they shrink is individual. But a cycle with deca has the potential to shrink them more. Deca just tends to shut people down pretty hard, and makes for a more difficult recovery. Again this is an individual thing. My balls shrink more if estrogen levels get high, and also they shrink more in winter than summer. Go figure. (I think it has something to do with light exposure and LH release)

You should quit all AAS at week 10 and start Clomid in week 13. The long esters will provide a natural taper as they are cleared from your system over a period of several weeks. If anything I may consider running your test past the deca another couple weeks but in either case start the clomid several weeks after your last shot. Some HCG the week or two before the clomid may help get your boys back in shape if you get shrinkage.

Lastly, it may be best just to avoid the deca. The test alone should provide results you will like if you hold estrogen at bay. I love the anabolic effects of deca myself but I crash too hard from it and get deca dick.

p.s. I do not know anything about cranberry juice except it is suppose to be good for women's bladders and infections in that area

 

[jackfrost647]

Thank you for your help. I will not take the Propecia but continue with Nizoral to protect against hair loss (That will save me a shitload of $$ too).

No clomid until after my cycle which ends after week 10, and up the Arimidex to .5 mg. Also, I realized that the Arimidex is to avoid bitch tits not to protect the package - a lot of stuff to know.

The cranberry is supposed to help with urinary tract and cleaning out your system - A really BIG (professional) friend of mine suggested taking it. With all due respect, are you guys giving me shit about the extra cranberry?

Thanks again.

 

[Mavy]

Hey Jack,

Sust is a good choice, but you could also switch it for some enanthate, which will be less painfull when doing frequent injections. I think that it is a good idea to include a high anabolic compund with the test, but I would try EQ instead of the Deca. You wont have the progesterone related sides that come along with the deca. And yes, Deca is harder to recover from then the EQ. Tripple J has it right about the clomid. I dont think that there are any reasons to run the clomid through the cycle, especially while taking arimidex.

And I dont know what the rest of them are talking about, I did just fine with the cranberry fruit at 1800 mgs/day. I even slowly tapered down to 1700 mgs/day. My urinary track had never been so clean before. My pee looked like sparkling crystals.

Good Luck,
Mavy




p.s. Yes we are fuckin with ya about the cranberries. Sure they are good for you, and they actually are a source of natural creatine besides in meat (believe it or not), but I think that its a little overrated for helping you in your cycle. Eat a well balanced diet, take a few good multi-vitamins, and some b-vitamins, as well as all your poly, and monounsaturate oils (i.e., flax, olive oil etc...), and you will be fine.

 

[growinpete]

way too much bro, stick with the basics, test only is fine

 

[DTOX]

way too much bro, stick with the basics, test only is fine

My thoughts exactly.

Drop the Deca altogether and just run 2 Sust's a week.

Clomid & arimidex everyday during the cycle? Oh well...it's your money.

 

[psychedout]

Yah bro, I would just stick to Test only for your first cycle.